Double pump shotgun for home defense

[roflpublican]

I didn't get a chance to give a ****, and he never saw me coming.

:ind: the american way

 

[ecofarm]

and the sound of the pump action will turn most people around.

Seriously, loading the weapon to intimidate? If I'm armed and ready and hear the 'chick chick' of a shotgun, I will instantly fire at the sound and empty my weapon doing so. Your load better be followed immediately by a trigger pull or you're done.

Giving away ones location and armament in attempt to intimidate is foolish. It's like drawing a gun without intent to shoot.

 

[tech30528]

The first indication that a would be robber at my place that they should probably just move on would be the shell casings in the front yard and in the cracks of the front porch. We were shooting this Saturday at a 60 yard target from the front porch hitting 8/10 with pistols and 23/25 with a carbine emptying a 25 round magazine in 6 seconds. As for shotguns for home defense unless you are carrying a 28 inch barrel turkey gun you have plenty of room. Mine is an 18 inch barrel with a brass bead and an M4 style stock. In close quarters you don't shoulder it, you use the pistol grip with the shoulder stock up over your shoulder. The pivot radius on that is pretty short. It's all about practice, practice, practice. On Sunday we were shooting 9 inch balloons at 120 yards with 80 year old Russian military rifles. Those would be effective head shots. You don't need high dollar or extremely accurate firearms for home defense. In target shooting we are typically looking for subMOA shots (1 inch groups at 100 yards), In short range it's about minute of bad guy not minute of angle. At indoor range a center mass shot is roughly 32 MOA which is a huge area. It's fast and easy.

 

[Penderyn]

A family that lies together dies together. What's the use of a family without the means to murder it?

 

[American]

No thanks. It's just a cludged-up novelty item, and a bad malfunction looking for a place to happen. Pass.

I also hate shotguns with no stock. Shoulder arms are meant to be shouldered.

It seems to me a good quality semi-auto shotgun would be better than pump. And with a shotgun you're probably less likely to kill someone in an adjoining room. I'd be scared to see any gun, but it seems a looter would be especially scared of a shotgun, knowing it doesn't need much aiming and it's spread and power.

 

[H. Lee White]

Agree on shotguns w/ no stock - just a bad idea.

In a situation like NJ/NY where "looters" may travel in groups, I'd want an AR15 or something similar.

 

[ric27]

For home defense, reloading is a good way down the list of priorities. If the bad guy isn't gone or on his way out after the first round or two then you've got a problem that you're going to have to be really lucky to get out of. The high velocity rounds from a 5.56 are as much likely to go through the target as they are to stop the target. When I shoot at someone up close I want them to either die of think really hard about taking that next step so a slower, heavier round would be my choice.

To each his own, dude.. but an objective analysis has brought me to the belief that emotion guides many a shotgun choice when logic says that technology has surpassed it and there are other, better choices for most of the shotgun mission profiles. It's no longer, the best choice for CQB.

 

[TurtleDude]

Agree on shotguns w/ no stock - just a bad idea.

In a situation like NJ/NY where "looters" may travel in groups, I'd want an AR15 or something similar.

agreed, with a beta C mag and a EOTECH holographic scope with a rollover NVD behind it

a Red Jacket suppressor would also be useful

 

[TurtleDude]

To each his own, dude.. but an objective analysis has brought me to the belief that emotion guides many a shotgun choice when logic says that technology has surpassed it and there are other, better choices for most of the shotgun mission profiles. It's no longer, the best choice for CQB.

depends on the environment. it is still the supreme weapon in some scenarios

my favorite

Red Jacket Firearms - Sons of Guns - RTS-12CG $1939

 

[blackjack50]

depends on the environment. it is still the supreme weapon in some scenarios

my favorite

Red Jacket Firearms - Sons of Guns - RTS-12CG $1939

I also am a shotgun believer. It is a simple to opperate, maintain, and shoot weapon. It doesn't take much skill. Get a nice short youth model 20 with buck and you can handle that without even having to modify it. My home defense shotgun is a 20 guage 870 youth model. A dove gun turned home defense when I got too big. At point blank home ranges...I can point as accurately with my finger as I can with the gun (I am a wingshooter so point and shoot is instinctive even with pistols). I find it hard to believe that anything will surpass a shotgun in terms of ability to hand out lethality. A load of buckshot on target is going to chew someone up.

 

[TurtleDude]

I also am a shotgun believer. It is a simple to opperate, maintain, and shoot weapon. It doesn't take much skill. Get a nice short youth model 20 with buck and you can handle that without even having to modify it. My home defense shotgun is a 20 guage 870 youth model. A dove gun turned home defense when I got too big. At point blank home ranges...I can point as accurately with my finger as I can with the gun (I am a wingshooter so point and shoot is instinctive even with pistols). I find it hard to believe that anything will surpass a shotgun in terms of ability to hand out lethality. A load of buckshot on target is going to chew someone up.

I agree. I grew up shooting shotguns-moved to handguns in my early twenties. I shot live birds all over the world, shot ISU skeet and Olympic trap on three continents and a bunch of countries

 

[theangryamerican]

Man, there's tons of bad information all over this thread. I'll just leave this here:
[video]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hrxkjRXk7m8[/video]

 

[Jeezy]

Try swinging that around in a hallway.

If you're going to have a "home defense" gun, a shotgun with a functional barrel and a stock doesn't really fit the bill. Even a shorter barreled AR is going to be better than a functional shotgun. But a pistol, with even a little bit of training, is probably the best for cramped confines like hallways. Again, we're talking regular home defense scenario like a burglar. If the Russians are invading your home... I guess an AR would be your best bet.

I Lol'd. Hard.

 

[ric27]

Man, there's tons of bad information all over this thread. I'll just leave this here:
[video]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hrxkjRXk7m8[/video]

Not saying that the shotgun is no longer an effective weapon, I'm just saying is that it's no longer the best choice for CQB and about 5.56 vs buckshot and slugs, the key thing to remember is that there are no magic bullets. There are no guaranteed one shot stops. The same hit that drops one dude like you switched him off, may leave the next man fighting long enough to kill you and your buddies too.

There is no way to predict which of two men, one shot with a 5.56x45 round to the thorax and one shot with 9 .32 caliber pellets of buckshot in the same spot will cease fighting first. We can't quantify the mental and psychological factor and with that option, I believe, the intermediate caliber carbine is better for the follow-up shot.

 

[Sig]

No thanks. It's just a cludged-up novelty item, and a bad malfunction looking for a place to happen. Pass.

I also hate shotguns with no stock. Shoulder arms are meant to be shouldered.

Methinks the OP is looking for something like this:

 

[SMTA]

Man, there's tons of bad information all over this thread. I'll just leave this here:
[video]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hrxkjRXk7m8[/video]

Absolutely true. The internet bunk continues.....

 

[Surtr]

Methinks the OP is looking for something like this:

Seems more like a boner inspiring waste of ammunition than a realistic combat weapon. Useless junk that looks pretty.