Don't lie about Delta's severity

[Luce]

Yeah, I know...

It's basically enabling him.

 

[snakestretcher]

It's basically enabling him.

At the very least it's exposing his routine stupidity. He might learn one day, but I'm not optimistic...

 

[Luce]

At the very least it's exposing his routine stupidity.

You don't have to do that. He does it for you.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Smallpox is over 30 times deadlier then Covid so by your standards people should’ve permanently stayed locked in their homes and made no effort to do anything


is the argument you’re making.

or that you expect modern people to be 30 times more cowardly.

The mortality rate for Smallpox was approximately 30%. The mortality rate for COVID-19 is around 2.07% (in the US).

Obviously you missed school when they were teaching long division.

That being said, people WERE "locked in their homes" when Smallpox epidemics struck. That remained the case until a vaccine was developed for Smallpox, at which point it became mandatory to get vaccinated (so that people did NOT have to stay "locked in their homes").

The argument that I am making is that,

Now that there is a vaccine for COVID-19, people should get vaccinated rather than risk having to be "locked in their homes".
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but I see that that is too subtle for you to grasp.

It is people like you who are producing results like this

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and this

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because this

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is their response to vaccination.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The mortality rate for Smallpox was approximately 30%. The mortality rate for COVID-19 is around 2.07% (in the US).

Obviously you missed school when they were teaching long division.

That being said, people WERE "locked in their homes" when Smallpox epidemics struck. That remained the case until a vaccine was developed for Smallpox, at which point it became mandatory to get vaccinated (so that people did NOT have to stay "locked in their homes").

The argument that I am making is that,

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Now that there is a vaccine for COVID-19, people should get vaccinated rather than risk having to be "locked in their homes".​

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but I see that that is too subtle for you to grasp.

It is people like you who are producing results like this

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and this

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because this

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is their response to vaccination.

I don’t care about any of the graphs. I do not support forced vaccination and mask mandates for this virus. I can provide all the graphs proving that if blacks were all imprisoned the murder rate would drop by half and if it saves “just one life, isn’t it worth it”? No, it is not, there is right and wrong in Government policy and making the right decision often means some will be harmed

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I do not care.

I don’t care what the number on some chart is. I will not consent to martial law so a tiny number of infirm people can be safer. That is insane

Well, since there is no "martial law" I can see where the insanity lies.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That is not the true fatality rate since we know most cases are asymptomatic. Therefore there is likely two to three times as many people who have had Covid 19 and were never tested because they were never sick.

I suspect this was the case for me since I had a unusually bad reaction to the first dose of the vaccine

I suppose that if you make up your own data you can "prove" anything that you want to.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Lol that was the point.

you apparently trust the same media without question whenever it meets your agenda though

Did you know that there are more media/information sources than American ones (and more American ones than FOX News, Breitbart, OnAN, and WWN)?

Did you now that I read more than 15 different media/information sources daily AND that those media/information sources range from FOX News to Sputnik?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

A monarchy with a correct thinking monarch.
Not a totalitarian technocratic bureaucracy

Oh I do so love that "correct thinking monarch" bit.

I presume that you definition of "correct thinking" is "thinks exactly the same as I do.".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It is in effect in Australia. They’ve allowed police to enter homes without warrant, survi citizens with drones, and even told people not to engage in conversation. And you have not condemned these measures. Therefore you support them.

I agree that

Australia and New Zealand continue strict Covid measures

Victoria Covid lockdown restrictions: latest update to Melbourne curfew and regional Vic coronavirus rules explained​

and

Police powers have been ramped up again in Greater Sydney to enforce harsh new curfew, travel and mask measures.​

could be read to support such delusional thinking.


And, of course, Australia IS a monarchy so what else could you expect in a country where the people don't vote for their own President?

PS - I would have expected that the first of the linked sources might just possibly have mentioned the terrible abuses of civil and human rights that are taking place in Australia if I didn't know that it was "captive press" of a state led by an absolute monarch.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I don’t care about any of the graphs. I do not support forced vaccination and mask mandates for this virus. I can provide all the graphs proving that if blacks were all imprisoned the murder rate would drop by half and if it saves “just one life, isn’t it worth it”? No, it is not, there is right and wrong in Government policy and making the right decision often means some will be harmed

"I don’t care about any of the graphs. I do not support forced vaccination and mask mandates for this virus."

That put negative wear on my "Surprise" crayon.

Nor does the irrationality of your "argument".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Did you bother read your own link?

It forbids you from leaving your house. Except to go to the nearest grocery store, requires government permits to move, forbids you from driving in your car more then 5km from your house, requires you to have proof of valid excuse, and by the way the military is assisting in enforcing these.

this is all elements of martial law present.

you are not free to go where you want, to choose where to shop, or even to change residence unless some fat lesbian affirmative action hire signs off on it.

Did you know that not exceeding the speed limit, not urinating in public, and not killing people are also "elements of martial law"?

Now I know that, in Seattle, you are not allowed to exceed the speed limit, not allowed to urinate in public, and not allowed to kill people - so please tell me when "martial law" was declared in Seattle.

And, of course, your "unless some fat lesbian affirmative action hire" does show exactly where you are coming from and you have my sympathy over the fact that someone who was more qualified for the job you applied for got it rather than you.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Money is not just money. Of course you’re being dishonest there and you are being dishonest about Catholic teaching which you don’t even believe in.

There is a difference between "Catholic teaching" and "the actions of the Roman Catholic Church INC.

"Catholic teaching" is that

you shall not sexually and physically abuse children - and if you do you should be punished for you have committed a mortal sin.​

The actions of "the Roman Catholic Church INC." are that,

while it isn't nice to sexually and physically abuse children, if you are a member of the Catholic clergy we will cover it up if you do and do everything in our​

power to make sure that no one ever finds out about it, and then send you of to a new location so that you can do it again. Oh yes, and if your actions result in the death of a child entrusted to your care, we will cover that up too.[/indent]

Your unreserved support for "the Roman Catholic Church INC." is well known.

 

[jaeger19]

Vaccination for smallpox, which unlike coronavirus, actually reduced populations and was dangerous to healthy working age people.

and even then there was no permission required to move or 5km limits from your house or the idea society should be put on hold indefinitely

Dude ..they had " vaccination raids " where the police would go door to door and pull people out and forcibly vaccinate them. If they found someone..even a baby that had smallpox...they would forcibly take them away to the "pest house" .

At times they handcuffed men and vaccinated them at gunpoint.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Nope, lock up in your house

Guess which way it's actually going to go.

 

[Ouroboros]

What you dont get is that you completely didnt understand about how the virus doesnt 'starve' in a single host, but that we need to starve it....keep it from spreading...basics 101...and over and over...you didnt get it.

And 203 if I remember (I dont care all that much anymore) quoted it...but you dont even realize it.

Modern education may be bad....if you are any example. Good lord.

Bet I got a better education than you. Clearly you don't know how to back up your statements.

 

[Lursa]

Bet I got a better education than you. Clearly you don't know how to back up your statements.

Heh, I seriously doubt it but more to the point, you cannot demonstrate it.

I intentionally write to the mainstream publishing guideline of the 4th-6th grade levels, so if you (still) cant understand the important distinction in how I applied the word 'starve,' you are the one who's education fails under scrutiny.

OTOH, you could try to educate yourself on it, rather than continually try to save face by attempting to denigrate me.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Bet I got a better education than you. Clearly you don't know how to back up your statements.

Spoiler

*I bet I have a better education than you.

 

[Ouroboros]

Heh, I seriously doubt it but more to the point, you cannot demonstrate it.

I intentionally write to the mainstream publishing guideline of the 4th-6th grade levels, so if you (still) cant understand the important distinction in how I applied the word 'starve,' you are the one who's education fails under scrutiny.

OTOH, you could try to educate yourself on it, rather than continually try to save face by attempting to denigrate me.




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You SAY you're writing on a 4th grade level, but what you end up writing is something like a 4th grader might produce. And like a 4th grader you're unable to admit your faults.

 

[Ouroboros]

Spoiler

*I bet I have a better education than you.

 

[Lursa]

You SAY you're writing on a 4th grade level, but what you end up writing is something like a 4th grader might produce. And like a 4th grader you're unable to admit your faults.

I love it!!!!! You just PROVED me right again! I didnt write 'on' a 4th grade level. I wrote 'to' that level. You couldnt even understand that post!

And you're so invested in struggling to look 'right on the Internetz' you've embarrassed yourself further. OMG, perfect!

Goodness, now I'm starting to feel guilty.

Please stop...this isnt on-topic. Let me know when you figure out the way I was using 'starve' in our original conversation please.

 

[uptower]

 

[Ouroboros]

I love it!!!!! You just PROVED me right again! I didnt write 'on' a 4th grade level. I wrote 'to' that level. You couldnt even understand that post!

And you're so invested in struggling to look 'right on the Internetz' you've embarrassed yourself further. OMG, perfect!

Goodness, now I'm starting to feel guilty.

Please stop...this isnt on-topic. Let me know when you figure out the way I was using 'starve' in our original conversation please.



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You clumsily used “starve” in a jargonistic manner and attempted to dance the superiority dance when I asked you to clarify what you meant. That “I know something you don’t know” attitude is the thing that puts all of your posts on a 4th grade level.

I understood what you meant with your half baked definition. What you have never answered is how you can be sure that in the process of being “starved” the virus will not produce compensatory mutations. You represented that our precautions were going to sideline the virus so that it wouldn’t have the chance to create new mutations. I think you believe this in an uncritical, almost religious manner, and that’s why you got so pissy when I suggested that the chance of mutations might actually rise, since you admit the original virus wouldn’t actually “die” at all.

So you’re like the majority of posters on the Net; you form half baked opinions and then act like a dork when challenged. Big deal.

 

[Lursa]

You clumsily used “starve” in a jargonistic manner and attempted to dance the superiority dance when I asked you to clarify what you meant. That “I know something you don’t know” attitude is the thing that puts all of your posts on a 4th grade level.

Nope, I used it in an accurate descriptive manner and you were unable to connect that with the way that the variants develop...which has been discussed in the media for months and quite intensely since July.

"I know something" that any intelligent person with a mind open to the changes we're facing with covid knows. It's sad that you dont.

I understood what you meant with your half baked definition. What you have never answered is how you can be sure that in the process of being “starved” the virus will not produce compensatory mutations. You represented that our precautions were going to sideline the virus so that it wouldn’t have the chance to create new mutations. I think you believe this in an uncritical, almost religious manner, and that’s why you got so pissy when I suggested that the chance of mutations might actually rise, since you admit the original virus wouldn’t actually “die” at all.

I've been studying epidemiology as a layperson for more than 2 decades with a foundation in microbiology, evolutionary biology, and population dynamics in college. My 'beliefs' are based on years of study, in a 'non-politicized manner', rather than just this one-off situation. What's your background in epidemiology or any of the related fields of science?

You still didnt indicate that you understand the use of 'starve' as I used it. "Starve" is the way the mechanism is described in many epidemiology/medical books because epidemiology is all about population dynamics on a micro scale. It's a common analogy. Your attempt at using multi-syllabic words didnt help indicate comprehension...and its laughable.

I have explained in post after post on this forum how the potential for mutations develops/is developing. I probably did earlier in this thread. However I'm no longer convinced you're capable of understanding it...either because of your personal limitations or resentful bias.

I've offered many times on the forum to share my booklist from my epidemiology library. Most of the book are written for the layman and are fascinating. It's an Excel spreadsheet, let me know if you're interested.

 

[Ouroboros]

Nope, I used it in an accurate descriptive manner and you were unable to connect that with the way that the variants develop...which has been discussed in the media for months and quite intensely since July.

"I know something" that any intelligent person with a mind open to the changes we're facing with covid knows. It's sad that you dont.



I've been studying epidemiology as a layperson for more than 2 decades with a foundation in microbiology, evolutionary biology, and population dynamics in college. My 'beliefs' are based on years of study, in a 'non-politicized manner', rather than just this one-off situation. What's your background in epidemiology or any of the related fields of science?

You still didnt indicate that you understand the use of 'starve' as I used it. "Starve" is the way the mechanism is described in many epidemiology books. Your attempt at using multi-syllabic words didnt help indicate that...and its laughable.

I have explained in post after post on this forum how the potential for mutations develops/is developing. I probably did earlier in this thread. However I'm no longer convinced you're capable of understanding it...either because of your personal limitations or resentful bias.

I've offered many times on the forum to share my booklist from my epidemiology library. Most of the book are written for the layman and are fascinating. It's an Excel spreadsheet, let me know if you're interested.



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No, if you can't discourse on your interpretation of mutations without the help of a spreadsheet, that just tells me that you're incapable of basic communication. But then, I already knew that.

EDIT: an alternative would be for you to find something online that supports your take and provide a link. SOP, you know.