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Don't get pregnant in Texass

The blame falls in the voters who continue re-electing these mossbacked politicians.
 
Beruit 1978 said:
Too bad there are no citations to support your claim. It makes a guy wonder if there is any evidence at all.
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Use the internet you have and you will find your response is the response of someone choosing to be willfully ignorant. No citations, they are all over the news, unless of course you watch right wing news outlets, there you probably don't see such news.
 
Beruit 1978 said:
Oh. I see. You make a post without any citations, I inquire whether you have citations, and my post is bullshit. Geez, Louise, I apologize for existing! I didn't realize that I was in the presence of a god who needed no more authority than his own word.
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Just what dp needed, another trolling fisherman.
 
collected said:
...And how about the number of embryo, zygote, and fetal deaths? I’d like to see the overall total deaths accounted for. Each abortion typically causes a death.
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No more than antibiotics causes death of bacteria. But abortions are counted.
 
bongsaway said:
Use the internet you have and you will find your response is the response of someone choosing to be willfully ignorant. No citations, they are all over the news, unless of course you watch right wing news outlets, there you probably don't see such news.
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I've noticed that when you don't provide citations all people focus on is your lack of citations, BUT when you DO provide citations they get dismissed out of hand or ignored entirely.

Most people I see here aren't interested in discussing the issues, they're just here to vent and feel validated. Not everyone, but most.

My test is I only provide a google search and if they bother to go into it after that, then I think a conversation can be had. If, however, all they do is complain about a google search and demand the info be spoon-fed to them, then I know it's futile and just move on.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Absolutely disgusting laws. Maternal deaths up 61%. Paxton is a criminal sleeze. Makes me sick.
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I'm not taking any side here, but I hate the habit of playing with numbers to make a political point. There are some here that will mistakenly equate a 100% increase with a 100% mortality rate... which you know is false.

according to Google from 2020-2023:

The death rate in Texas increased from 0.0277% to 0.0377%.

The death rate U.S.-wide went from 0.0201% to 0.0329%.

Please be more straight-forward with your numbers.
 
fireflygmf said:
I'm not taking any side here, but I hate the habit of playing with numbers to make a political point. There are some here that will mistakenly equate a 100% increase with a 100% mortality rate... which you know is false.

according to Google from 2020-2023:

The death rate in Texas increased from 0.0277% to 0.0377%.

The death rate U.S.-wide went from 0.0201% to 0.0329%.

Please be more straight-forward with your numbers.
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How bad would it be if people didn't go out of state? How many lost the ability to have additional children? Psychological harm? Future reductions in obgyn and family doctors. If they keep electing Christian nationalist scumbags it will only get worse.
 
Beruit 1978 said:
Too bad there are no citations to support your claim. It makes a guy wonder if there is any evidence at all.
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Here:

www.nbcnews.com

A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban

Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased 56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

www.texasstandard.org

New study finds maternal mortality in Texas rose faster than national rate

The study looks at CDC data from 2019 through 2022 and saw a spike after Texas passed its abortion ban in 2021.
www.texasstandard.org www.texasstandard.org

www.texastribune.org

Maternal deaths surged in Texas in 2020, 2021

Even excluding deaths related to COVID, Texas’ maternal mortality rate spiked, reversing two years of improvement.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org

Maternal Mortality Rates in the United States, 2021

National Center for Health Statistics
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
Hari Seldon said:
How bad would it be if people didn't go out of state? How many lost the ability to have additional children? Psychological harm? Future reductions in obgyn and family doctors. If they keep electing Christian nationalist scumbags it will only get worse.
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Those are hypotheticals which may be worthy of consideration in some other conversation. All I can tell you is that these are the numbers, according to what I was able to gather online.
 
Beruit 1978 said:
Too bad there are no citations to support your claim. It makes a guy wonder if there is any evidence at all.
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Hari is many things but a liar no. I provided citations for you. Read his posts. He is what they call a straight shooter with no bull shit. No he does not pay me. I do not know him at all. Just being fair. These abortion threads heat up fast.
 
fireflygmf said:
Those are hypotheticals which may be worthy of consideration in some other conversation. All I can tell you is that these are the numbers, according to what I was able to gather online.
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They aren't hypothetical. Residency is down, people are moving. Anyway I hope you don't have a loved one that needs emergency care that is pregnant because they ain't getting it in texass. The teen that died went to the emergency room 3 times. A total ****ing disgrace!!
 
Hari Seldon said:
They aren't hypothetical. Residency is down, people are moving. Anyway I hope you don't have a loved one that needs emergency care that is pregnant because they ain't getting it in texass. The teen that died went to the emergency room 3 times. A total ****ing disgrace!!
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They are hypothetical. I didn't say they weren't worthy of discussion, it's just that nobody knows, otherwise:

How bad is it in the universe where people can't travel out-of-state? Be specific.
How many have lost the ability to have another child? Be specific.
How many and to what degree has each person suffer psychological harm? Be specific.
What is the future quality and number of OBGYN practitioners and family doctors? Be specific. I'll be particularly impressed if you answer this one! And if you do, what is the price of bitcoin in December, 2026?

Please, let's be adults about this and admit to what we know and what we can't know.

according to Google from 2020-2023:

The death rate in Texas increased from 0.0277% to 0.0377%.

The death rate U.S.-wide went from 0.0201% to 0.0329%.
 
Mika-El said:
Hari is many things but a liar no. I provided citations for you. Read his posts. He is what they call a straight shooter with no bull shit. No he does not pay me. I do not know him at all. Just being fair. These abortion threads heat up fast.
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He may not be lying, but the manner in which this is presented is very misleading.
 
fireflygmf said:
I'm not taking any side here, but I hate the habit of playing with numbers to make a political point. There are some here that will mistakenly equate a 100% increase with a 100% mortality rate... which you know is false.

according to Google from 2020-2023:

The death rate in Texas increased from 0.0277% to 0.0377%.

The death rate U.S.-wide went from 0.0201% to 0.0329%.

Please be more straight-forward with your numbers.
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Well there's always this:

Altho they dont break them out specifically in murder rates, they do state that by far, the most frequent cause of death for pregnant women is murder by the sperm donor.​
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And they also dont include murder in the statistics about deaths due to pregnancy/childbirth.​
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No. 1 Cause of Death in Pregnant Women: Murder​
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FROM THE WEBMD ARCHIVES​
"Given all the risks associated with pregnancy, it's easy to imagine that expectant mothers are vulnerable to illnesses and even to death. But shocking new information shows that these women actually are more likely to be murdered than to die from any complications of pregnancy -- or from any other cause for that matter.​
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"We found that homicide was the leading cause of death among women who were pregnant ... and accounted for 20% of deaths among that group, compared with 6% of deaths among nonpregnant women of reproductive age," says author Isabelle Horon, DrPH"​
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www.nature.com

Homicide is a top cause of maternal death in the United States

Evaluation of death certificates from national database paints grim picture for pregnant women.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
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journals.lww.com

Homicide During Pregnancy and the Postpartum Period in the... : Obstetrics & Gynecology

years. METHODS: Data from the National Center for Health Statistics 2018 and 2019 mortality files were used to identify all female decedents aged 10–44 in the United States. These data were used to estimate 2-year pregnancy-associated homicide mortality ratios (deaths/100,000 live births) for...
journals.lww.com journals.lww.com
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There were 3.62 homicides per 100,000 live births among females who were pregnant or within 1 year postpartum, 16% higher than homicide prevalence among nonpregnant and nonpostpartum females of reproductive age (3.12 deaths/100,000 population, P<.05). Homicide during pregnancy or within 42 days of the end of pregnancy exceeded all the leading causes of maternal mortality by more than twofold. Pregnancy was associated with a significantly elevated homicide risk in the Black population and among girls and younger women (age 10–24 years) across racial and ethnic subgroups.​
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CONCLUSION:​
Homicide is a leading cause of death during pregnancy and the postpartum period in the United States. Pregnancy and the postpartum period are times of elevated risk for homicide among all females of reproductive age.​
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www.insider.com

Homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women in the United States, a new study found

Moves to restrict abortion access, seen this year in Texas and Mississippi, could put more vulnerable women at risk, experts fear.
www.insider.com www.insider.com
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www.hsph.harvard.edu

Homicide leading cause of death for pregnant women in U.S. | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

Women in the U.S. who are pregnant or who have recently given birth are more likely to be murdered than to die from obstetric causes—and these homicides are linked to a deadly mix of intimate partner violence and firearms, according to researchers from Harvard Chan School.
www.hsph.harvard.edu www.hsph.harvard.edu
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"Laws restricting women’s access to reproductive care and abortion can place women at further risk, since control over a woman’s reproductive choices often plays a role in intimate partner violence, Lawn said in an October 20 U.S. News & World Report article. Lenient firearms legislation can also increase the risk."​
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pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Homicide During Pregnancy and the Postpartum Period in the United States, 2018-2019 - PubMed

Homicide is a leading cause of death during pregnancy and the postpartum period in the United States. Pregnancy and the postpartum period are times of elevated risk for homicide among all females of reproductive age.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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So now consider...with so many more women unable to access abortions...that many more men are going to be stuck with child support for 18 years...and many will be pretty pissed about it. Do we think that 20% murder rate is going to go up? Of course.

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fireflygmf said:
Fixed it for you.
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You know what you can do with your fix.
I guess a good question is would you want your loved one who is pregnant to be getting medical care in texass. If there are no issues I guess it would be okay like medical insurance as long as you don't get sick.
There's a reason the new Mexico hospital was up 300% related to out of state patients.
 
Lutherf said:
People pushing bullshit narratives deserve bullshit responses.
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Pregnancy and childbirth arent safe. It doesnt matter if all these increased deaths/near misses of pregnant women are because of lack of abortion access.

What they prove is that preg/chilbirth IS a significant risk every single time. It's only being focused on more now in the media because of the limits and increased dangers of new abortion restrictions...but it's ALWAYS a danger to the woman, death and major, permanent systems damage cannot be predicted nor always prevented.

ALWAYS dangerous. Never to be taken for granted. Women that want a baby willingly accept this risk...but it's immoral to demand women take this risk without their consent. The state is replacing the slave owner, taking away a woman's right to consent to her own life, health, reproduction, self-determination, bodily autonomy, due process, etc.

Isnt that exactly what slave owners did to their slaves? If not, explain how it's different and be specific. In the US, nowhere else do we deny people safer medical procedures because they have accidents performing normal social behaviors like skiing or driving.

And a recent judge in GA also drew this same comparison when he overturned a new GA abortion law. As have other judges considered it in the past.

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