Radical Ron
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People can have many legitimate issues when referring to Iraq...or any other political event...Radical Ron said:Many people have told me my views are to the left. Sweeping left (whacko liberal) and I am not ashamed of my views. But I have come to a bitter halt in my support of the American left wing with the agenda to pullout our troops from the Iraqi nation. What!!!!!!!! How can you turn your back on your own men, who swore and oath to protect you! This new bill is a travesty! For the first time in a decade of being active in politics I am insulted by a member of the left. Nancy Pelosi, and this "Murphlus" guy, what a joke. I was adamantly against entering Iraq and I wanted a diplomatic solution, but we went to war with the support of the country. Those men and women fighting the war are my friends and brothers, and for legislators to open propose an end to the war that is, to put it simply, confusing to me. I do not like or agree with George Bush on anything, but it is not him out there, it is us... Now we want to leave the country to it's own crumbling fake government? What happened to Americans being honorable people and standing up for what was right? Was that just a lie? Not to me, I belive in America. Those cowards in congress should think before they speak such treachery!
What new bill?Radical Ron said:This new bill is a travesty!
Radical Ron said:Many people have told me my views are to the left. Sweeping left (whacko liberal) and I am not ashamed of my views. But I have come to a bitter halt in my support of the American left wing with the agenda to pullout our troops from the Iraqi nation. What!!!!!!!! How can you turn your back on your own men, who swore and oath to protect you! This new bill is a travesty! For the first time in a decade of being active in politics I am insulted by a member of the left. Nancy Pelosi, and this "Murphlus" guy, what a joke. I was adamantly against entering Iraq and I wanted a diplomatic solution, but we went to war with the support of the country. Those men and women fighting the war are my friends and brothers, and for legislators to open propose an end to the war that is, to put it simply, confusing to me. I do not like or agree with George Bush on anything, but it is not him out there, it is us... Now we want to leave the country to it's own crumbling fake government? What happened to Americans being honorable people and standing up for what was right? Was that just a lie? Not to me, I belive in America. Those cowards in congress should think before they speak such treachery!
Binary_Digit said:If history is any indication, the UN would just strike a deal with the insurgency to sell humanitarian relief supplies on the black market.
A bit judgmental of a statement as there are fundamentalists on both sides that will make rediculous judgements based on non-sense.ProudAmerican said:Radical Ron,
its nice to hear there are those on the left that can think clearly, and make informed decisions based on the facts, rather than partisan politics.
jfuh said:A bit judgmental of a statement as there are fundamentalists on both sides that will make rediculous judgements based on non-sense.
You think not turning your back on the troops is to keep them in harms way so more of them can killed?Originally Posted by Radical Ron
How can you turn your back on your own men, who swore and oath to protect you!
Firstly, the new Iraqi government has not asked for an exit timetable. I used to think the same thing, but someone in Debate Politics corrected me just a few days ago. That request was made by only a single member of the new government, and does not constitute the government's full capacity decision.Bergslagstroll said:Ok see if I understand. You send in your soldiers and risk their lifes (even if you risk more Iraq cilvilians lifes) and one of the big reasons was supposely democracy in Iraq. But then the elected Iraqie goverment wants a timetable it's treason for American to respect their will. Just intersted in how you american thinks.
Red_Dave said:Well now that Saddams gone surely it would be more democratic to give iraq back to the iraqis. If someones needed to keep the peace the UN would be a better option then the De Facto Colonisation of Iraq we are seeing under america.
Bergslagstroll said:Ok see if I understand. You send in your soldiers and risk their lifes (even if you risk more Iraq cilvilians lifes) and one of the big reasons was supposely democracy in Iraq. But then the elected Iraqie goverment wants a timetable it's treason for American to respect their will. Just intersted in how you american thinks.
And in the future we'd be blamed for not finishing the job.Calm2Chaos said:Ya the UN would be such a good idea. We all see how they are capable of handling military situations. So lets have the UN secure Iraq, And when they fail, and they will. We will again have to go back and fight for everything over again.
Binary_Digit said:And in the future we'd be blamed for not finishing the job.
That's pretty damn close BD!...You're starting to catch on!...:2wave:Binary_Digit said:Firstly, the new Iraqi government has not asked for an exit timetable. I used to think the same thing, but someone in Debate Politics corrected me just a few days ago. That request was made by only a single member of the new government, and does not constitute the government's full capacity decision.
Secondly, after the 1991 Gulf War, thousands of Iraqis were slaughtered in an uprising while trying to gain control of the government for themselves. We do not want a repeat occurance of this. So we want to make damn sure the new Iraqi government is stable enough on its own, and legitimate enough in the eyes of the Iraqi people, before we withdraw forces.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/Iraq926.htm
Thirdly, be careful to distinguish between the pre-war reasons and the post-war reasons. You see, a number of the pre-war reasons didn't exactly turn up, and the administration has admitted that much of that intelligence was wrong. So in order to look on the bright side, we're often reminded by the administration of the post-war reasons - another Middle East democracy, better infrastructure, democratic elections, brighter future, etc. None of these were the main justification war, or else we would be justifying war in about 60% of the world. No, it took an "iminent threat" of WMD attacks and nightmares of mushroom clouds for the President to gain enough support in America to invade Iraq.
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