I, Sir, am offended in the extreme. But yes, I was Air force. I was (had to look it up, I do not know marine MOS's at all) a 2791. Don't know if there is another designator that would need to be added. Army MOS was 98C..the Air force one was 208, but they changed their AFSC numbers after I got out, so no idea what the new one is.
NO wait..missed the exact title in the list. I would be a 267x Russian.
Well, consider how sure pundits were of the great "Iraqi Civil War." Or the pundits who declared that Iraqis voting will never happen. Or that Iraq is unwinnable. The military has been blasted by our own pathetic leaders yearly about impending failure and doom. In the mean time, Americans tuned in and repeated. Well, here we are without an Iraqi Civil War, voting Iraqis (even the Sunni), and a win. But the same voices will declare that all will eventually fail because they have not perfected Vermont in the desert after 7 whole years. Of course, they will dismiss the fact that even the French had to take almost a century to get past their internal slaughters and troubles of developing democracy and even voted in Napoleon along the way.
People just don't have a clue what they are talking about because they don't understand the issues they make stupid statements. They imagine a bad guy coming to a table of surrender so we can throw ourselves a parade (or at least letting the bad guy go after a show of force as we did the Gulf War). And when that day doesn't come, it means failure. They fail to recognize the world they live in. They fail to understand how long Muslims in this region have struggled for democracy and social equality through European colonialism and Cold War. A couple hundred years of infighting has come about because of European nation designs. Without those unnatural borders, there would not be so much infighting. This is why I believe we may have screwed up by insisting that Iraq stay whole. Cramming tribes together and insisting that a handy dandy dictator or elite class control them has come to an end. Even Europe's Yugoslavia had to rip itself apart to correct the past. Of course, anti-Western venom didn't school the oppressed and impoverished in "Yugoslavia" like it has throughout the ME.
It shouldn't exist at all. Are you suggesting people can't be adults, and that heterosexual males will have sex willingly with homosexual males?
The MOS' across the branches have changed drastically over the last two decades. I came in a 2512, which turned into 0612, which incorporated the former 2514/0614 MOS.
I never understood why the Army and Air Force congratulate the promoted and insist on calling them the same rank throughout their careers.
The MOS' across the branches have changed drastically over the last two decades. I came in a 2512, which turned into 0612, which incorporated the former 2514/0614 MOS.
I never understood why the Army and Air Force congratulate the promoted and insist on calling them the same rank throughout their careers.
but I think you should. what the hell...this isn't the freakin middle ages. I personally think if you are going to have a coed service then everyone should ****, shave, shower and sleep together. If you can't act like a fraking responsible adult, then I don't want your immature ass serving with me.
C'mon, we both know better. There just aren't that many 18 y/o with that level of maturity. Most of those boys have never seen a ***** in real life. You think they're not going to be-a-lookin'? When those sex hormone take over, people automatically do stupid ****. I'm sure you know that better than I do.
and how is letting gay dude serve going to make the situation any worse? If we are going to let women serve then we have no logical reason to not also allow gays to serve. now if you want to talk about repealing woomen's right to serve...then that would be a discussion for a separate thread.
must be an Air Force thing because in the Army we believe that you earned the rank and you deserve to be called by it. I, for one, would never dream of calling a SSG, SFC, MSG, 1SG or SGM, "sarge". However, i will and have on numerous occasions called a 2LT, "dumbass" :lol:
I am pretty sure that is not the rationale used. I believe it has more to do with not wanting women in combat than worrying about fraternization. I am sure you will have no problem backing up that statement though.
You watch yourself now oscar, or I'm gonna tear up the picture of you that I printed and hung here next to my computer.
Why are people even debating this?
The issue is settled. Whether you believe homosexuality is a sin, a character flaw, a mental disorder, an addiction, etc. and whether you believe that gays will be a distraction in the military, that this is an act of "social engineering", etc., it doesn't change the one fact that matters.
DADT was UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
The military cannot infringe upon our basic Constitutional rights whether we are gay or straight. The military exists to protect our Constitutional rights, as well as to protect us from foreign threats.
and how is letting gay dude serve going to make the situation any worse? If we are going to let women serve then we have no logical reason to not also allow gays to serve. now if you want to talk about repealing woomen's right to serve...then that would be a discussion for a separate thread.
Oh, I firmly believe that once we had gone in there, we truly should have pushed for deunification (okay, its not a word, But I like it anyway). These people will never be able to live together in peace. Not for long anyway. Or at least I dont see it happening. I try not to use definitives often, but I really just cant imagine it.
There is too much bad blood..And no Romeo and Juliet around to show them the error of their feud. And I don't see the existing government sticking around as it is for very long. For the citizens of that part of the world, religion is not part of their lives..it is their lives. And they work best under a theocracy. It can be a democratic theorcracy, but they will always turn to their religious leaders, and it is only natural that their religious leaders also be their governmental leaders.
must be an Air Force thing because in the Army we believe that you earned the rank and you deserve to be called by it. I, for one, would never dream of calling a SSG, SFC, MSG, 1SG or SGM, "sarge". However, i will and have on numerous occasions called a 2LT, "dumbass" :lol:
Women cannot serve in combat arms units. That is the point I'm making. IMO, there shouldn't be any co-ed units in the Army, or Marine Corps. They should be all male, or all female. BTW, what's your branch of arms?
to be fair, caine, our military is no more immune to racism than the civilian world. It does exist in the military as it does in the civilian world. I do believe that the military works very very hard, however, punish those whoare guilty of, and to do all they can to minimize it.
Ap, if you truly think that little of these soldiers, I see very little hope in you ever changing your mind. People can and do control themselves when it is necessary. Obviously, since gay men and women have been serving quietly for centuries, the problematic incidents have been pretty low. So your low opinion of our soldiers seems incorrect.
Which means you were Army or Air Force. Marines and Sailors believe in promotions.
I am currently branched MP.
DADT is not part of the UCMJ. This makes your argument about jurisdiction irrelevant. If the court was trying to change the UCMJ, I would have to agree with you, but we are not dealing with that.The military can and does infringe on soldiers's basic constitutional rights, everday. Soldiers don't have the same right to free speech that a civilian does. Soldiers's don't have the same right to associate with who they want, or the right to be a part of any club, or orginization they choose.
The 9th Circus has no authority to dictate to the military what it's regulations can, or cannot, make illegal. nor should it. The military being regulated by the judicial branch would be the most dysfunctional way to go about raunning a standing army. It would be plmb nuts and thousands of American would suffer, because of it.
DADT is not part of the UCMJ. This makes your argument about jurisdiction irrelevant. If the court was trying to change the UCMJ, I would have to agree with you, but we are not dealing with that.
I see, thank you for your service.
My best friend was an MP. He covered my ass a couple times at Ft. Polk.
lol....
The Navy's ranks are so ****ed up.. I would hate to imagine actually calling a sailor by their rank.
BTW: Too many ****ing syllables in some of these ranks to make it pracitcal to call everyone by their full rank.
SERGEANT FIRST CLASS YES SERGEANT FIRST CLASS!!!!
YEARRRRRP!
:rofl
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