Donald Trump's Term Has Been Even Worse Than Everyone Expected

[Old 'N Chill]

Trump is only making the point that the biggest single reason we are seeing a higher rate of Covid 19 cases is that we are now doing much more testing. He is not suggesting that we slow down on testing.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I am very amused that you posted that video to back up your claim. You clearly do not follow Trump. That was sarcasm at a campaign rally. He was not serious and certainly has not told his people to slow down testing. Taking everything he says so literally without distinction between sarcasm and serious is the equivalent of having some leftwing Trump hater sitting in his mom's basement with the TV on all; day hoping to hear something, anything, from Trumps mouth that will give the democrats a sound bite worthy of a few days of screeching a narrative, and it's usually something taken out of context.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I am sorry you don't know what sarcasm is.
MY point was the person I was replying to said we should stop testing because when we test we have more cases
well then if we don't test at all then we won't have any cases the way he was thinking
Have a nice night

You as well.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Well it just so happens that I went to FLA. in the end of Feb. to help take care of a friend who was going into the Hospital for a triple heart by-pass and his Mother who is in a Nursing home down there ,
I live with my girl friend who is his sister and works in a Nursing home here in NY and I have a lot of other friends that also workk there , and have been in many nursing homes, My wife that passed away about 3 years ago was in and out of Hospitals and Nursing homes for the last year or two of her life, SO I do know a lot about what nursing homes have to do and are like
as for the Como thing here is some reading on the subject maybe IF you read some of it you just might learn something

Is Cuomo Directive to Blame for Nursing Home COVID Deaths, as US Official Claims? - KFF Health News

New York’s governor directed nursing homes to take COVID patients. But is it fair to say he “forced” them to do so, or that his directive led to the deaths of thousands of elderly residents? Most public health experts say no.

khn.org

Were NY Care Homes Full of COVID-19 Patients While Ship Sat Empty?

Bureaucratic hurdles appeared to have prevented a hospital ship in New York City from being fully used.

www.snopes.com

Is Cuomo Directive to Blame for Nursing Home COVID Deaths, as US Official Claims? - Physician's Weekly

New York’s governor directed nursing homes to take COVID patients. But is it fair to say he “forced” them to do so, or that his directive led to the deaths of thousands of elderly residents? Most public health experts say no.

www.physiciansweekly.com

Andrew Cuomo’s Report on Controversial Nursing Home Policy for COVID Patients Prompts More Controversy

A state report on Cuomo’s decision to order nursing homes to take in COVID positive patients in the early days of the pandemic fails to deal with the central question: did such admissions lead to more infection and death, and if so how significantly.

www.propublica.org

I will stop there but if you need more you can go to the search I did here https://www.google.com/search?clien...any+Nursing+homes+to+take+Colvid+19+patients+
and do more reading on it
Have a nice evening

My condolences for the passing of your wife. However my point still stands. Cuomo's executive order sending recovering elderly Covid 19 patients back to nursing homes was ill thought out and quite repulsive. Nursing homes are not hospitals and the elderly were the most vulnerable patients. Your first and last link, I do not take seriously. They are entirely political web sites. And Snopes at some level supports my argument.

 

[joko104]

He has been the exact disaster I expected, although alienating all of our allies, it even attempting to hide his racism, and kissing the ball sacks of dictators was a bit more than I expected.

I did give the Republicans too much credit though, I really thought they would attempt to at least minimize the corruption and the crazy, however instead they have enabled him in every way and put this country in he worst shape it has been since the depression...

It was a disaster! Lowest black unemployment. Lowest Latino unemployment. Lowest female employment. Not in any new war. Just those - each one - are a total disaster, a real crisis, to most Democrats.

 

[Rhakron90]

Good article. I didn't vote for Trump, I knew better, but when he won I was one of those people who said to give him a chance. I never thought he would sink so low, threaten our national security and be so corrupt that he would be Impeached and still continue breaking the laws and violating our constitution. I never thought he'd be so racist and turn his back on the American citizens, I also didn't realize he was so ignorant and self-serving.

I thought he'd listen to the adults in Washington with experience and knowledge and consider their advice, but besides being a narcissist, he also can't read, write or understand basic necessities like briefings. His extreme and constant lying and inciting hate and violence had made his term much more destructive to our country than ever imagined.

Donald Trump Has Been Even Worse Than Everyone Expected

Separating migrant children from their parents. Using the presidency to line his pockets. Encouraging conspiracy theories.

www.huffpost.com

Hmmm... Well, let's see. Under Trump, we've had a booming economy, substantial growth with regards to both real wages and standards of living for the American worker, de-escalation of the wars overseas, an unprecedented thaw in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and more than a half-dozen successful new trade deals. Hell! Even in the middle of a global pandemic caused by a new global plague which basically came out of nowhere, the United States' still manages to have a market that is at record highs, specifically due to Trump's cuts to Obama era tax rates and regulations.

All that works in favor of the American people as a whole, and can be laid squarely at Trump's feet.

On the Partisan front, meanwhile, Trump has overseen probably the strongest popular revival of Conservative politics, and restructuring of the American political landscape as a whole, since the days of freaking Ronald Reagan. He's also ensured Conservative dominance in the courts for at least a generation.

I can toootally see why you might think of that as being such an absolute disaster. (sarcasm)

Mayhaps you should get your information from sources other than the hysterical Communists at CNN, MSNPC, and the Huff Post?

 

[jaeger19]

My condolences for the passing of your wife. However my point still stands. Cuomo's executive order sending recovering elderly Covid 19 patients back to nursing homes was ill thought out and quite repulsive. Nursing homes are not hospitals and the elderly were the most vulnerable patients. Your first and last link, I do not take seriously. They are entirely political web sites. And Snopes at some level supports my argument.

Yeah.. there is a lot of mis information regarding Cuomo's executive order.

First..it did not force nursing homes to take covid 19 patients. Nursing homes were to take covid patients only when the patient was MEDICALLY STABLE and if the nursing home was capable of taking the safety precautions.. ie appropriate staff training, ppe, etc.. to take these patients back.

Thats where some nursing homes felt like it was a mandate to take them back... because they would have to publically admit they didnt; have the resources to take these patients back.

And these patients wanted to go back home for the most part.

The idea and its a sound idea.. is that you don;t want to have patients that have recovered sufficiently from covid that they are medically stable and unlikely to be infectious... taking up a hospital bed.. if they can be cared for in a lower level of facility.

The same thing was happening with patients who were sent home and were monitored remotely.. in order to free up hospital beds for those that needed them most.

 

[jaeger19]

Hmmm... Well, let's see. Under Trump, we've had a booming economy, substantial growth with regards to both real wages and standards of living for the American worker, de-escalation of the wars overseas, an unprecedented thaw in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and more than a half-dozen successful new trade deals. Hell! Even in the middle of a global pandemic caused by new global plague which basically came out of nowhere, the United States' still manages to have a market that is at record highs, specifically due to Trump's cuts to Obama era tax rates and regulations.

All that works is favor of the American people as a whole, and can be laid squarely at Trump's feet.

On the Partisan front, meanwhile, Trump has overseen probably the strongest popular revival of Conservative politics, and restructuring of the American political landscape, since the days of freaking Ronald Reagan. He's also ensured Conservative dominance in the courts for at least a generation.

I can toootally see why you might think of that as being such an absolute disaster. (sarcasm)

Mayhaps you should get your information from sources other than the hysterical Communists at CNN, MSNPC, and the Huff Post?

Well just to point out.. Trumps booming economy.. follows essentially the same pattern of growth as under Obama. .
And we have a trade war with china has done nothing but hurt the consumer.. hurt US business and has hurt US agriculture which is why he had to bail them out.
Trump has hurt our alliances with our traditional allies. He has bent over backwards to give North Koreas leader legitimacy and stopped at least for a time, joint exercises with South Korea and the US which the north Korea leader hated... while the US got nothing back in return.
Trump has completely and utterly failed on the Coronavirus epidemic in the US.
Trump's latest pick for supreme court is anything but conservative. She appears to be simply right wing liberal.

 

[Rhakron90]

Well just to point out.. Trumps booming economy.. follows essentially the same pattern of growth as under Obama. .

Trump's economy has far surpassed Obama's economy. The vast majority of growth under Obama was simply recovering lost ground from the '08 crash, and even so, it was one of weakest recoveries in American economic history, specifically due to the depressive effects of policies like the ACA.

Trump has not only continued the growth trend, but he's basically sent it into overdrive by taking the teeth out from the ACA, and encouraging investment through cuts to both taxes and regulation.

Again, basically the only thing capable of even slowing Trump's economy down was a new global plague. The market is still at record highs even so.

And we have a trade war with china has done nothing but hurt the consumer.. hurt US business and has hurt US agriculture which is why he had to bail them out.

On the whole, Trump's economic impact has been overwhelmingly positive. That's not even debatable.

Trump has hurt our alliances with our traditional allies.

Quite frankly, I don't care. Many of our "traditional allies" haven't been pulling their weight for quite some time, and Trump was absolutely correct to draw attention to it.

Most of those relationships are Cold War relics anyway.

He has bent over backwards to give North Koreas leader legitimacy and stopped at least for a time, joint exercises with South Korea and the US which the north Korea leader hated... while the US got nothing back in return.

Even at the very worst estimation, Trump's performance with regards to N. Korea has not been any worse than the last three Administrations before him.

He tried something new, which is at least trying. Whether that will ultimately pay off or not remains to be seen.

Though... I think it is worth noting that N. Korea has made far more overtures towards reconciliation with the South, and towards government reform, since Trump reached out, than they ever have before.

Trump has completely and utterly failed on the Coronavirus epidemic in the US.

The US is literally on about the same par with regards to COVID-19 as the EU. Neither region has quelled the outbreak, both have about 200,000 dead, and death rates well below 1%.

The whole thing's a giant nothing burger. Anyone will look bad if you try to hold them to an impossible standard.

Trump's latest pick for supreme court is anything but conservative. She appears to be simply right wing liberal.

...Barret is pretty Conservative.

Besides, what's the alternative? Two more Leftist activist judges under a hypothetical Hillary Administration? I'll count my blessings where I can get them, guy.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

I am very amused that you posted that video to back up your claim. You clearly do not follow Trump. That was sarcasm at a campaign rally. He was not serious and certainly has not told his people to slow down testing.

Typical answer from a loyal Trump follower, make excuses for all the insane things he says and does, jump through hoops to explain them away. Trump is not intelligent enough to use sarcasm, it was not sarcasm. Trump doesn't have any sense of humor, so he does not make jokes either. Your defense of his verbal diarrhea is old and tired, just like him and his worshipers. It's obvious that you either are glued to fox news or conservative radio, either way, you need to open your eyes and see what is happening in the real world....just a suggestion for your own well-being.

 

[Rhakron90]

Typical answer from a loyal Trump follower, make excuses for all the insane things he says and does, jump through hoops to explain them away. Trump is not intelligent enough to use sarcasm, it was not sarcasm. Trump doesn't have any sense of humor, so he does not make jokes either. Your defense of his verbal diarrhea is old and tired, just like him and his worshipers. It's obvious that you either are glued to fox news or conservative radio, either way, you need to open your eyes and see what is happening in the real world....just a suggestion for your own well-being.

He was "intelligent" enough to win the White House in spite of having literally the entire political establishment against him.

Quite frankly, I think its rather telling that you prefer to judge your leaders based off superficialites like how they talk, as opposed to the things they actually accomplish.

 

[Rhakron90]

Trump isn't the issue though and I keep saying how wrong that thinking is.

It's his supporters.

You can beat Trump this time around, but the thinking that got him there and the judges he has appointed, especially with the Supreme Court will have massive ramifications for decades to come and the craziest part of all of it is, that many of Trumps supporters will be the ones hurt by that and in general Republican policies.

And that's the true madness of not just the Trump supporter, but Republican supporters in general, they support people who promise to make their lives worse by abrogating their responsibility to their constituents to the massive corporations and wealthy donors that support their campaigns, stealing from their supporters and their childrens futures in order to give those aforementioned people a little more, all the while they become more angry and ignorant if what is really going on as their mind is blasted with crazier and more insane propaganda.

These are people that go into a voting booth and vote for politicians who PROMISE, literally PROMISE to take healthcare away from them.

You cannot, cannot, reason with people that misguided and again, as I always say, that doesn't mean inversely those people have to support Democrats.

But if you think the Republican Party and Trump, truly stand up for you as a person and your well being and truly support a free market economy, you are out of your mind.

They are the croniest of crony capitalists and all they support is predatory Capitalism that seeks to extract the wealth of the nation as fast as possible while offering less and less in return.

You are being stolen from and you're supporting it, not even to mention the break down of respect for Democratic Values.

Are... Are you serious? For that matter, are you even an American?

It's... like... not even debatable that the economic fortunes of the average American are substantially higher under Trump than the ever were under Obama. Literally. It's a fact... By every objective measure.

I can attest to it personally.

What were the Obama years like for me? Well'p! I graduated from college with 20k in student loan debt in 2011, annnnd pretty quickly discovered that there were no freaking jobs that paid anything remotely resembling a living wage. And then Obama was re-elected a year later, and I was laid off from the crappy hourly retail job I did have, and spent half a year unemployed, because employers were terrified of the ACA and went into a hiring freeze. Post ACA, basically the only work you could get were even crappier retail jobs, that only offered part time hours... Specifically so that employers could avoid the ACA's insurance mandates for full-time workers.

Sooo... Yeah. I spent the rest of the Obama Administration living with my parents, making less than 30k a year... Directly because of Obama's policies. Oh! And he also had the absolute gall to yoink an extra couple of hundred dollars out of my tax return every year, because I didn't sign up for Obamacare. Ya know... Because the premiums on this supposedly "free" healthcare were between a third and a half of my monthly salary, and the co-pays were so high that the coverage was basically worthless anyway.

Where am I today, by way of contrast? I make 80 grand a year, I just built a house worth 350k, I've got several thousand in the stock market, and my first child was just born last month.

My... What suffering...

What does Biden promise to do if elected? Jack up my taxes, almost certainly kill Trump's boom economy by enforcing policies that punish investment, and gut the industry that afforded me this lifestyle, among others, very likely sending me back to the poor house I just escaped from.

Yeah... Sorry guy, but you can keep the "gub'ment cheese." I don't want it, I never did, and its crap anyway. I'd much rather have the opportunity to work for a living.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

He was "intelligent" enough to win the White House in spite of having literally the entire political establishment against him.

Quite frankly, I think its rather telling that you prefer to judge your leaders based off superficialites like how they talk, as opposed to the things they actually accomplish.

He lost the popular vote by a landslide, he got lucky and was elected via the Electoral College. He has accomplished nothing but dividing our country, threatening our national security by sleeping with dictators for favors in election interference and violating his oath, our constitution and the rule of law....that's what he's accomplished. Hopefully he will be booted out soon and won't be able to do any more damage to our country or our citizens.

 

[Rhakron90]

He lost the popular vote by a landslide, he got lucky and was elected via the Electoral College. He has accomplished nothing but dividing our country, threatening our national security by sleeping with dictators for favors in election interference and violating his oath, our constitution and the rule of law....that's what he's accomplished. Hopefully he will be booted out soon and won't be able to do any more damage to our country or our citizens.

*Citation Needed*

And the claim that Trump has been the one "dividing the country," as opposed to the hysterical DNC, and its collaborators in the media, is laughable nonsense on the face of things.

They lost an election, and they basically threw a four year long temper-tantrum in response.

 

[Eriech]

Everyone? Seriously?

 

[Tbird19482]

Yeah.. there is a lot of mis information regarding Cuomo's executive order.

First..it did not force nursing homes to take covid 19 patients. Nursing homes were to take covid patients only when the patient was MEDICALLY STABLE and if the nursing home was capable of taking the safety precautions.. ie appropriate staff training, ppe, etc.. to take these patients back.

Thats where some nursing homes felt like it was a mandate to take them back... because they would have to publically admit they didnt; have the resources to take these patients back.

And these patients wanted to go back home for the most part.

The idea and its a sound idea.. is that you don;t want to have patients that have recovered sufficiently from covid that they are medically stable and unlikely to be infectious... taking up a hospital bed.. if they can be cared for in a lower level of facility.

The same thing was happening with patients who were sent home and were monitored remotely.. in order to free up hospital beds for those that needed them most.

These were patients that were over it ( recovering ) as much as Trump was when he went back to the WH, IF NOT more and that is that.
He says he wasn't contagious , he was over it , so the patients COMO said could go into Nursing homes weren't any worst off then Trump was,
and IF these people that keep saying Como killed all these people did some research into the subject of him sending them to Nursing homes they would find out it was people working in these Nursing homes that were the ones infected with the CV and were the ones that infected most of the people in those Nursing homes
But they won't because Como is a DEM and NY is a Blue state and being Blue states or Dems it has to be something they did.
even IF there were regulations set in place that the Nursing homes had to follow and didn't
and Another thing the people on the right do NOT want to admit is that back when this did hit the NE states there as very little info on how to treat it and how to contain it, ( and a LOT of conflicting info coming out of the CDC and the WH, remember it was 2 case, then 15 cases then it is just going to go away and all the Lies Trump was telling )
the first reported case in the NE happened on March 1st , Trump had closed down people coming in from China on the West coast but NOT people coming in from the EU, ( guess he wasn't smart enough to figure out that people can fly from China to other countries , then into the EU and on to the US )
That case was a woman who came through the EU from Iran,
and Nobody at that time knew how fast it could spread ( 1 case on March 1st and over 75,750 cases by March 31st)
and NOT having any info on how to treat it the Governors on the NE states and the Health care workers were the ones that were on the front lines in this figuring out how to treat it and keep it from spreading
ALL they want to do is say see how many people died because of this or that COMO did.
like I say they can't give them the credit they deserve for figuring out how to contain this and treat it
IF it wasn't for them I am 100% sure there would have been a LOT more deaths in the US then there have been.
and just MAYBE if some of the other Governors in other states would have looked at what the Governors and Healthcare workers of the NE states have done and are still doing there wouldn't be near the newer cases and deaths as there have been
Again they can't give these people the credit for all the lives they might fave saved just the ones they didn't because we didn't have any info at that time on how to treat the CV
Have a nice night

 

[Bosco221]

*Citation Needed*

And the claim that Trump has been the one "dividing the country," as opposed to the hysterical DNC, and its collaborators in the media, is laughable nonsense on the face of things.

They lost an election, and they basically threw a four year long temper-tantrum in response.

I agree 100 %. He won fair and square according to the law of the United States. The losers that bring up the electoral college are just angry that they lost to Trump. And yes, the stealing burning rioters are dividing more than anyone with their idiotic demands of changing government and getting rid of police. The left can have those idiots like the "Squad" I saw tonight AOC was crying again as yet one more time Trump gets over on the left with the new justice. All while AOC said they were going to "Pack the court" LOL you losers always make me smile!

 

[Greenbeard]

And he also had the absolute gall to yoink an extra couple of hundred dollars out of my tax return every year, because I didn't sign up for Obamacare. Ya know... Because the premiums on this supposedly "free" healthcare were between a third and a half of my monthly salary, and the co-pays were so high that the coverage was basically worthless anyway.

26 U.S. Code § 5000A - Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage

(e)Exemptions
No penalty shall be imposed under subsection (a) with respect to—
(1)Individuals who cannot afford coverage
(A)In general
Any applicable individual for any month if the applicable individual’s required contribution (determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month exceeds 8 percent of such individual’s household income for the taxable year described in section 1412(b)(1)(B) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. For purposes of applying this subparagraph, the taxpayer’s household income shall be increased by any exclusion from gross income for any portion of the required contribution made through a salary reduction arrangement

Good story, though.

 

[Rhakron90]

26 U.S. Code § 5000A - Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage


Good story, though.

Frankly, I wasn't doing my own taxes, so I wouldn't know either way. The principle of thing is still insulting, however.

The idea that anyone would be charged for voluntarily foregoing "Affordable Care" that is inherently unaffordable for the very demographic it is supposed to be meant for is - quite frankly - a perfect metaphor for the failures and ineptitudes of the Obama Administration in general.

 

[Greenbeard]

The idea that anyone would be charged for voluntarily foregoing "Affordable Care" that is inherently unaffordable for the very demographic it is supposed to be meant for is - quite frankly - a perfect metaphor for the failures and ineptitudes of the Obama Administration in general.

Well, that's not the idea, nor was it ever. Refer back to "Exemptions - Individuals who cannot afford coverage" for clarity.

 

[Rhakron90]

Well, that's not the idea, nor was it ever. Refer back to "Exemptions - Individuals who cannot afford coverage" for clarity.

Again... The fact that insurance provided by the "Affordable Care Act" turned out to be completely unaffordable... Kind of speaks for its self.

 

[Slavister]

What does Biden promise to do if elected? Jack up my taxes, almost certainly kill Trump's boom economy by enforcing policies that punish investment, and gut the industry that afforded me this lifestyle, among others, very likely sending me back to the poor house I just escaped from.

Yeah... Sorry guy, but you can keep the "gub'ment cheese." I don't want it, I never did, and its crap anyway. I'd much rather have the opportunity to work for a living.

No, with 80k income, he will NOT increase your taxes. No, he will not kill your industry. And no, ACA did not kill of employment - full time jobs steadily increased after the last Republican crisis, under Obama, with ACA and all. Heck, even Wall Street projects economy will be better off under Biden. Can you believe that?

But under Trump, when he is done killing off ACA, and next time you or your kid loses a job and has pre-existing condition, good luck with that bankruptcy.

Again... The fact that insurance provided by the "Affordable Care Act" turned out to be completely unaffordable... Kind of speaks for its self.

It's very much affordable BECAUSE of all the credits people get when they don't have a good income. But yeah, ideally we'd join the rest of the world and actually have Universal Healthcare... but Republicans would have you convinced US is the only country in the world that can't afford it.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I'm not talking about accomplishments I'm talking about people's character. I would fully expect a President to get somethings done over his first four years. I'm not impressed with your list. It would be nice to see real change. Low unemployment doesn't mean much when the pay sucks and the jobs suck for instance.

Did you miss the rise in household income by all demographics by $4,000 to $6,000 dollars? This surpasses the entire 8 years of Obama/Biden.

 

[Integrityrespec]

No, with 80k income, he will NOT increase your taxes. No, he will not kill your industry. And no, ACA did not kill of employment - full time jobs steadily increased after the last Republican crisis, under Obama, with ACA and all. Heck, even Wall Street projects economy will be better off under Biden. Can you believe that?

But under Trump, when he is done killing off ACA, and next time you or your kid loses a job and has pre-existing condition, good luck with that bankruptcy.



It's very much affordable BECAUSE of all the credits people get when they don't have a good income. But yeah, ideally we'd join the rest of the world and actually have Universal Healthcare... but Republicans would have you convinced US is the only country in the world that can't afford it.

Have you looked at the tax structure of those countries? Are you aware that the health care in many is heavily supplemented by individual policies bought by those that want better care and can afford it?

 

[Greenbeard]

Again... The fact that insurance provided by the "Affordable Care Act" turned out to be completely unaffordable... Kind of speaks for its self.

Someone making under $30K is eligible for premium tax credits (and quite possibly cost-sharing reductions lowering deductibles, etc as well), which limit their contribution to a single-digit percentage of their income specified in statute. They certainly wouldn't be asked to contribute "between a third and a half" of their income.

Like I said, good story.