Donald Trump's campaign: It's more calculated than it looks

[TheDemSocialist]

shrug...

I know there is no up-side to talking in rational, reasoned terms with a partisan hack.

Sorry if the truth hurts, but there it is...

Your not even talking rationally. Facts are "BS". Reality is disproven lies. This is not rational.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

 

[Beaudreaux]

:doh You are proof that bumper sticker talking points work way too easily among the American electorate.

Trump is using the exact same tactics that Obama used in his first run for President - Appeal to the lowest common denominator and then roll them into the voting booth. Obama promised free stuff to his voting block, and Trump is promising taking back America to his. Same tactics, different message, which seems to work, based on Obama getting 8 years, and Trump leading in all the polls.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Trump is using the exact same tactics that Obama used in his first run for President - Appeal to the lowest common denominator and then roll them into the voting booth. Obama promised free stuff to his voting block, and Trump is promising taking back America to his. Same tactics, different message, which seems to work, based on Obama getting 8 years, and Trump leading in all the polls.

:lamo I dont recall Obama fear mongering off the backs of Mexican immigrants... I dont recall Obama fear mongering off one particular religion... I dont recall Obama calling for a ban on immigrants based off religion... You Trump fans are completely and utterly delusional...

 

[Beaudreaux]

:lamo I dont recall Obama fear mongering off the backs of Mexican immigrants... I dont recall Obama fear mongering off one particular religion... I dont recall Obama calling for a ban on immigrants based off religion... You Trump fans are completely and utterly delusional...

TDS, you may want to read my post again, because you obviously missed the entire point if the above is what you took from it. BTW, I am by no means a Trump fan.

Truth is truth, and facts are facts, and both withstand partisan BS. Read my post again.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

TDS, you may want to read my post again, because you obviously missed the entire point if the above is what you took from it. BTW, I am by no means a Trump fan.

Truth is truth, and facts are facts, and both withstand partisan BS. Read my post again.

Nope... I read your post 100% clear. Something about "free stuff" for Obama voters and somehow comparing that to Trumps "message"....

 

[Beaudreaux]

Nope... I read your post 100% clear. Something about "free stuff" for Obama voters and somehow comparing that to Trumps "message"....

Still, no. Different message, but same tactic (the tactic being the important part) which is to, as I said before, "Appeal to the lowest common denominator and then roll them into the voting booth."

You keep focusing on the message. That's where you're going astray. Look deeper, at why they do what they do, and why they say what they say.

 

[VanceMack]

Hillary is already thinking about Trump. In the last Democratic debate, reports say she talked more about Trump than anyone on the stage with her. She knows who she'll be up against next summer.

I really think Trump will be Hillary's worst nightmare. Recently he made some not too subtle threats to her and he is the one guy on the stage that has no problem going nuclear-especially when she starts direct attacks of him. Hillary will be lambasted for ignoring her husbands rape, sexual assaults, sexual harassment, as well as her role in covering things up and in fact attacking the victims. Her pathetic cackle about being a champion of women...thats just like chumming for sharks to Trump and he will call her out for it with total abandon. I suspect he will also use that brush to paint any of her supporters with the same ugly colors Hillary will be wearing.

 

[Absentglare]

I really think Trump will be Hillary's worst nightmare. Recently he made some not too subtle threats to her and he is the one guy on the stage that has no problem going nuclear-especially when she starts direct attacks of him. Hillary will be lambasted for ignoring her husbands rape, sexual assaults, sexual harassment, as well as her role in covering things up and in fact attacking the victims. Her pathetic cackle about being a champion of women...thats just like chumming for sharks to Trump and he will call her out for it with total abandon. I suspect he will also use that brush to paint any of her supporters with the same ugly colors Hillary will be wearing.

You don't see any flaw in your plan, like being unable to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you ?

 

[VanceMack]

You don't see any flaw in your plan, like being unable to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you ?

I have no desire to convince anyone. Anyone with a pulse and a measurable IQ knows what Bill has done and what Hillary has done. Those that dont 'believe it' are either ignorant/uninformed and dont want to know or simply put...do not care. They have eaten the **** brownie and decided...its aiiiiight.

 

[Absentglare]

I have no desire to convince anyone. Anyone with a pulse and a measurable IQ knows what Bill has done and what Hillary has done. Those that dont 'believe it' are either ignorant/uninformed and dont want to know or simply put...do not care. They have eaten the **** brownie and decided...its aiiiiight.

But your claim was that attacking Hillary's family would be Hillary's "worst nightmare." I took that to mean that you believe it would be a successful campaign strategy in the general. I can assure you that Trump already has a lot of the bullies and wife beaters votes. Such an aggressive, personal campaign would likely turn off the moderates and independents Trump would need to win.

Lastly, the person you're suggesting they smear is one of Americas most liked and most successful presidents, a man never convicted of rape or sexual harassment. The people who "know what Bill has done," in your words, are only the people who assume his guilt without trial.

 

[Mycroft]

You don't see any flaw in your plan, like being unable to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you ?

There's no convincing someone who's in the tank for the leftist...whether it's Obama or Hillary. That type of person will either always find an excuse or will just ignore all the crap about the person.

Trump will be appealing to the person who has not been willingly indoctrinated. In other words, the Independents...the ones who voted for Obama twice...will flock to Trump. It sucks for Hillary, but that's the way it's going to go.

 

[VanceMack]

But your claim was that attacking Hillary's family would be Hillary's "worst nightmare." I took that to mean that you believe it would be a successful campaign strategy in the general. I can assure you that Trump already has a lot of the bullies and wife beaters votes. Such an aggressive, personal campaign would likely turn off the moderates and independents Trump would need to win.

Lastly, the person you're suggesting they smear is one of Americas most liked and most successful presidents, a man never convicted of rape or sexual harassment. The people who "know what Bill has done," in your words, are only the people who assume his guilt without trial.

I stated Trump will be Hillary's worse nightmare. Trump will have no problem exposing Hillary to be the liar she is and to expose her attacks on the victims of her husbands rape, sexual assaults, and sexual harassment.

Heres the thing. Black people as a voting bloc will not be shifting loyalty to Donald Trump. Democrats wont be shifting loyalty to Donald Trump. Hispanics as a voting bloc will not be shifting loyalty to Donald Trump. What will very likely happen is that people will simply choose to not vote for the scumbag just because she happens to be a democrat. Think about it. Are YOU excited about Candidate Clinton? Or are you just hoping a democrat wins the presidency, without regard to which pile of **** with a D next to its name gets the job? I suspect that whoever the candidates are this year, voter turnout will be at an alltime low.

 

[Absentglare]

I stated Trump will be Hillary's worse nightmare. Trump will have no problem exposing Hillary to be the liar she is and to expose her attacks on the victims of her husbands rape, sexual assaults, and sexual harassment.

Heres the thing. Black people as a voting bloc will not be shifting loyalty to Donald Trump. Democrats wont be shifting loyalty to Donald Trump. Hispanics as a voting bloc will not be shifting loyalty to Donald Trump. What will very likely happen is that people will simply choose to not vote for the scumbag just because she happens to be a democrat. Think about it. Are YOU excited about Candidate Clinton? Or are you just hoping a democrat wins the presidency, without regard to which pile of **** with a D next to its name gets the job? I suspect that whoever the candidates are this year, voter turnout will be at an alltime low.

If it's Trump v Clinton, you could be right.

Of course, it could just as well be an alltime high voter turnout, as both parties could be terrified of the oppositions candidate.

 

[VanceMack]

If it's Trump v Clinton, you could be right.

Of course, it could just as well be an alltime high voter turnout, as both parties could be terrified of the oppositions candidate.

I really doubt it. I actually hope this is a banner year for third party presidential ballots.

 

[DDD]

May life spare USA from Trump!

 

[Lovebug]

Trump is calculating. He is in it for the attention, but more so to see a Clinton, not a Trump, White House.
Time will tell.

 

[zimmer]

:shock::dohNope. Nope. Nope. Just stop right here.

The guy has built an empire in the toughest market in the US...

You don't do that without being sharp.

It would also be great to have someone in power who has actually negotiated deals, does so daily, and has done so for decades.

You recall Obama answering a question about what he's run? His answer... His Campaign... ROTFLOL...

Trump had more experience when he was 21.

Obama was Captain Juvenile, and still is... as we can see from his dealings with other countries. He's only successful against Republicans, as the spineless dicks have repeatedly surrendered.

 

[zimmer]

And Trump totally isnt "corrupt" or "dishonest"... What fantasy world do you live in (oh yea.....)?

He's been doing business in NY, NJ for decades... If he was... NY State would have been after him... guaranteed.

 

[zimmer]

Trump is without a doubt a genius businessman and politician. He has been able to take advantage of the current situation and tap into the deep seated fears of Americans. He has played the game well. I am more worried about the American people who apparently cannot see through the charade that is his campaign.

Trillion dollar budgets every year since Obama came in.
Doubles our debt.
The Failure known as ObamaKare.
A dimwitted foreign policy.
An economic disaster for 7-years.
Tsunami's of illegal immigration.
Terrorists in the US.
A fall-down and can't get up Republican Congress.

You bet people are concerned... and Trump is the one guy who isn't afraid of the press and exposes the obvious.

He doesn't just expose, he forces the press to cover topics they would much prefer remain in the shadows.

It tells you a lot about the propagandists who call themselves journalists. Those with the responsibility for reporting the news... but don't... until forced... and when forced by Trump... they try to take him out... just as they tried with Joe-the-Plumber.

Joe-the-Plumber did more journalistic work in 5 minutes than the entire press corpse... he got Obama to reveal who he was and his Socialist views. Then the press went after Joe!!!

 

[US Conservative]

Trump is shrewd as hell.

He knows how the game is played-when you want something, overshoot blatantly-this way the compromise is closer to what you want.

 

[matchlight]

God forbid we don't...but if we get another San Bernardino-style terrorist attack before Nov2016, you might as well get used to calling Trump, Mr. President.

I think we could see a far larger attack, more on the scale of 9/11. Iraq under Hussein had developed the ability to produce weaponized anthrax, and I doubt the people and equipment needed to do that have disappeared for good. I'm concerned that Muslim jihadists will get the necessary knowledge and materials--no very elaborate machinery is needed--and make that material in secret in some remote place. Research from this country's own biological warfare program shows that a single cropdusting plane that released a few hundred pounds of weaponized anthrax upwind of a large city, flying at the right altitude under the right weather conditions, would cause about as many casualties as a nuclear attack--half a million or so.

A cropdusting plane could come out of a hangar in an agricultural area any night, take off the simplest sort of runway with no one else around, and within a short time be near a heavily populated area. No hijacking would be required--just a single jihadist pilot who was able to get hold of a cropduster, loaded with something other than the usual pesticide. No one would have any reason to think it was anything more than an ordinary flight by a light plane, and it is very unlikely the release of the powder would ever be noticed. It would not be noticed in the targeted city, either, until a few days later, when local hospitals began to receive large numbers of people who had suddenly come down with the same symptoms. Soon after 9/11, we saw how lethal even a very small amount of properly prepared anthrax dust in an ordinary letter envelope could be.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

He's been doing business in NY, NJ for decades... If he was... NY State would have been after him... guaranteed.

Oh you dont think Donald Trump isnt corrupt because he never got caught? How silly and ignorant of you Zimmer.

"Trump routinely gave large campaign contributions to politicians who held sway over his projects, and he worked with mob-controlled companies and unions to build them."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...75b918-60a3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html

"Donald Trump once promised an amusement park to Bridgeport, Connecticut. When it fell through, he owed hundreds of thousands per year in back taxes—until its mayor bailed him out."
Trump?s $1 Land Deal With a Corrupt Mayor - The Daily Beast

"RAND PAUL & DONALD TRUMP ADMIT TO BRIBERY/CORRUPTION AND NO ONE NOTICES"
https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blo...-to-briberycorruption-and-no-one-notices.html

 

[Mycroft]

Oh you dont think Donald Trump isnt corrupt because he never got caught? How silly and ignorant of you Zimmer.

Is there a difference between "corrupt" and "criminal"? If not, then I'd say you are trying to make mountains out of molehills.

"Trump routinely gave large campaign contributions to politicians who held sway over his projects, and he worked with mob-controlled companies and unions to build them."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...75b918-60a3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html

From this article (bold is mine)

Officials with the New York State Organized Crime Task Force later said that Trump, while not breaking any laws, “circumvented” state limits on individual and corporate contributions “by spreading his payments among eighteen subsidiary companies.”

"Donald Trump once promised an amusement park to Bridgeport, Connecticut. When it fell through, he owed hundreds of thousands per year in back taxes—until its mayor bailed him out."
Trump?s $1 Land Deal With a Corrupt Mayor - The Daily Beast

There was nothing corrupt or criminal about what Trump did in relation to this situation. Also, the corrupt actions of this Mayor had nothing to do with Trump.

This article is nothing but spin.

"RAND PAUL & DONALD TRUMP ADMIT TO BRIBERY/CORRUPTION AND NO ONE NOTICES"
https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blo...-to-briberycorruption-and-no-one-notices.html

Another bunch of spin designed to make Trump look like a bad guy for doing something that is perfectly legal.


If this kind of stuff is all you have to support a contention that Trump is corrupt, then you have failed...miserably. The only people who would believe this spin are dumbasses.

 

[Absentglare]

Is there a difference between "corrupt" and "criminal"? If not, then I'd say you are trying to make mountains out of molehills.



From this article (bold is mine)





There was nothing corrupt or criminal about what Trump did in relation to this situation. Also, the corrupt actions of this Mayor had nothing to do with Trump.

This article is nothing but spin.



Another bunch of spin designed to make Trump look like a bad guy for doing something that is perfectly legal.


If this kind of stuff is all you have to support a contention that Trump is corrupt, then you have failed...miserably. The only people who would believe this spin are dumbasses.

What ? Bribery is still technically illegal even though we've made it practically legal...