Donald Trump Will Lose Harvard Student Fight, Legal Experts Say

[Rogue Valley]

Donald Trump Will Lose Harvard Student Fight, Legal Experts Say

Harvard has sued the Trump administration after it revoked the university's ability to enroll international students.

www.newsweek.com

Harvard is likely to succeed in its challenge of the Trump administration's decision to bar the Ivy League school from enrolling foreign students, legal experts told Newsweek. Harvard sued the Trump administration on Friday, saying the government's action violates the First Amendment and will have an "immediate and devastating effect for Harvard and more than 7,000 visa holders." "I think Harvard will win its lawsuit, on both procedural and substantive grounds," Stephen Yale-Loehr, a retired professor of immigration law at Cornell University stated. The Department of Homeland Security announced on Thursday that Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has ordered that Harvard's certification in the Student and Exchange Visitor Program be terminated. It means Harvard will be barred from hosting international students for the upcoming 2025-26 school year. "This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status," the agency said in a statement.

Harvard spokesperson Jason Newton told Newsweek the government's action is "unlawful" and that the university is "fully committed to maintaining Harvard's ability to host our international students and scholars, who hail from more than 140 countries and enrich the University – and this nation – immeasurably." Harvard President Alan Garber last week said the university has made changes to combat antisemitism, but said it would "not surrender its core, legally-protected principles" over fears of retaliation by the government. He also said he was not aware of any evidence to support the administration's allegation that its international students were "more prone to disruption, violence, or other misconduct than any other students." Several legal experts say the administration's actions violate the Constitution and would be blocked by the courts. "Procedurally, the immigration regulations set forth specific procedures to revoke a school's approval to enroll international students," Yale-Loehr said. "The government can't just issue a press release or letter announcing the revocation."

Releasing a press report is easy. Proving facts in court is something else altogether... something the Trump administration is not very good at doing. I'm also curious why Harvard is the only school penalized by the Trump administration. None of the other ~6,000 universities and colleges in the US saw protests against Isreali war crimes in Gaza? I find that very difficult to believe. What is actually going on here is that Harvard - unlike other less-endowed universities - has refused to bend the knee to Donald Trump and curtail free speech rights. And the Trump WH didn't think this through very carefully either. Israeli students studying at Harvard would also be affected by the [illegal] foreign student ban.

It didn't take long for a Federal judge to bitch-slap the Trump administration in this regard.....

Judge blocks Trump administration from stripping Harvard of ability to enroll international students

It is Harvard's second suit against the Trump administration.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ElChupacabra]

I am interested in hearing what the administration brings to the table, which if past cases are an example, will probably not be much. The details here are important to get a sense of what Harvard did to comply and what is an unreasonable request on the administration's part. We'll likely hear more about what the administration's claims about the kind of students Harvard is trying to protect, and if the criteria is as bad as those international students targeted for visa cancellation (Öztürk, Khalil etc.), then there's a good chance this is will not fare well for the administration.

 

[j brown's body]

Harvard may win on the legal front. But what foreign stufent in their right mind trusts the Trump administration to follow the law?

Beyond that, there are plenty of legal ways to make life miserable for Harvard.

After all, attacking academic freedom is a cornerstone of Project 2025.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

The only way forward for Trump that I can see is he needs to start sending judges and/or their families to El Salvador prisons. These judges need to learn that you do not mess around or contradict Trump.

 

[Mycroft]

Donald Trump Will Lose Harvard Student Fight, Legal Experts Say

Harvard has sued the Trump administration after it revoked the university's ability to enroll international students.

www.newsweek.com

Releasing a press report is easy. Proving facts in court is something else altogether... something the Trump administration is not very good at doing. I'm also curious why Harvard is the only school penalized by the Trump administration. None of the other ~6,000 universities and colleges in the US saw protests against Isreali war crimes in Gaza? I find that very difficult to believe. What is actually going on here is that Harvard - unlike other less-endowed universities - has refused to bend the knee to Donald Trump and curtail free speech rights. And the Trump WH didn't think this through very carefully either. Israeli students studying at Harvard would also be affected by the [illegal] foreign student ban.

It didn't take long for a Federal judge to bitch-slap the Trump administration in this regard.....

Judge blocks Trump administration from stripping Harvard of ability to enroll international students

It is Harvard's second suit against the Trump administration.

www.cbsnews.com

It's not that Harvard has "refused to bend the knee". It's that they have not been fully responsive to demands for the information that the Trump administration has asked for.

Harvard is finding out that actions...or, in this case, lack of actions...have consequences.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It's not that Harvard has "refused to bend the knee". It's that they have not been fully responsive to demands for the information that the Trump administration has asked for.

Which is the same thing.

 

[Peacenik]

Donald has always been a big fat loser ever since he was neglected for attention as a spoiled brat rich kid.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Legal experts have said a lot of shit during Dwsr Leader's reign. I'll believe it when I see it, esp. since this is a POTUS who openly disregards SCOTUS rulings without consequence.

 

[Peacenik]

Dysfunctional Donald is giving the stupid what they want. No, not knowledge. An all out war on intelligence.

Suppressing smart people and education every chance he gets.

Many immature stupid people have long resented the well educated. Dysfunctional Donald gives them a way to 'get even' - by attacking knowledge itself.

Foolish stupid people think this is great - but it's not. Making America stupid does not make America great. It makes America stupid.

By attacking the funding of Universities and Libraries Dysfunctional Donald is turning America into Stupid-land.

 

[Airyaman]

It's not that Harvard has "refused to bend the knee". It's that they have not been fully responsive to demands for the information that the Trump administration has asked for.

Harvard is finding out that actions...or, in this case, lack of actions...have consequences.

They don't have any rights to the information.

 

[Mycroft]

They don't have any rights to the information.

Oh...but they do. The executive branch certifies each school's ability to accept foreign students.

 

[weaver2]

Donald Trump Will Lose Harvard Student Fight, Legal Experts Say

Harvard has sued the Trump administration after it revoked the university's ability to enroll international students.

www.newsweek.com

Releasing a press report is easy. Proving facts in court is something else altogether... something the Trump administration is not very good at doing. I'm also curious why Harvard is the only school penalized by the Trump administration. None of the other ~6,000 universities and colleges in the US saw protests against Isreali war crimes in Gaza? I find that very difficult to believe. What is actually going on here is that Harvard - unlike other less-endowed universities - has refused to bend the knee to Donald Trump and curtail free speech rights. And the Trump WH didn't think this through very carefully either. Israeli students studying at Harvard would also be affected by the [illegal] foreign student ban.

It didn't take long for a Federal judge to bitch-slap the Trump administration in this regard.....

Judge blocks Trump administration from stripping Harvard of ability to enroll international students

It is Harvard's second suit against the Trump administration.

www.cbsnews.com

Harvard has been picked out by Trump because of his unerring ability to know exactly which target to attack that will garner him the most praise and loyalty from his followers. Other universities have refused to "bend the knee" but Trump's followers for the most part only recognize the name 'Harvard'. They think it is a pronoun that means all the liberal colleges, universities and their students that they hate.

 

[Peter]

The UK will hapilly take the foreign students that get turned away from the US.

It's also looking like Trump enjoys losing in court as he keeps doing it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It's not that Harvard has "refused to bend the knee". It's that they have not been fully responsive to demands for the information that the Trump administration has asked for.

Harvard is finding out that actions...or, in this case, lack of actions...have consequences.

It's because Harvard basically told DHS off in a language the DHS Secretary understands.


..... ..... ..... ..... Which was: "Suck It!".

WW

 

[uptower]

 

[multivita-man]

Doesn't matter, damage done. He's now asking Harvard to hand over personal info on all international students there. He is ruining the university. And to see Zionists like Bill Ackman blame Harvard...just, wow.

Zionism is a curse on America. It is destroying the American nation by forcing people to have loyalty beyond America's interests.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Oh...but they do. The executive branch certifies each school's ability to accept foreign students.

Trump's own State Department has the visa information on every foreign student studying in the US.

The government is not entitled to any other personal information.

You think everyone is as stuipid as MAGA.

 

[Emlee]

Isn’t this something the president of the United States should have known?

 

[Mycroft]

Trump's own State Department has the visa information on every foreign student studying in the US.

They want more information.

The government is not entitled to any other personal information.

This isn't "personal information".

You think everyone is as stuipid as MAGA.

Oh...and here you go again...making it about me.

That is the mark of a failed discussion.

Bye.

 

[multivita-man]

Donald Trump Will Lose Harvard Student Fight, Legal Experts Say

Harvard has sued the Trump administration after it revoked the university's ability to enroll international students.

www.newsweek.com

Releasing a press report is easy. Proving facts in court is something else altogether... something the Trump administration is not very good at doing. I'm also curious why Harvard is the only school penalized by the Trump administration. None of the other ~6,000 universities and colleges in the US saw protests against Isreali war crimes in Gaza? I find that very difficult to believe. What is actually going on here is that Harvard - unlike other less-endowed universities - has refused to bend the knee to Donald Trump and curtail free speech rights. And the Trump WH didn't think this through very carefully either. Israeli students studying at Harvard would also be affected by the [illegal] foreign student ban.

It didn't take long for a Federal judge to bitch-slap the Trump administration in this regard.....

Judge blocks Trump administration from stripping Harvard of ability to enroll international students

It is Harvard's second suit against the Trump administration.

www.cbsnews.com

Unfortunately, it will continue to harass Harvard and their students with virtual impunity until judges issue and enforce contempt orders. International students will avoid Harvard and any American university that appears to be in the line of fire. Harvard will also exhaust considerable resources fighting to keep their funding and programs functioning. Harvard will likely be used as the example to all other schools that dare to get cross with this administration.

The real loser, of course, will be Americans, who depend on research institutions and their talented students and faculty to do everything from AI to cancer research. I know MAGAs are too dumb to understand this, but one huge advantage the US and other Western nations have over countries like China is the ability to attract bright students and to exchange information and ideas freely. I think the US should invest a lot more into developing its K-12 programs but until it does, this ability to import brain power is a major advantage, and we're throwing it away. And without a good K-12 system, which I've acknowledged, this is potentially economic suicide.

 

[daeler]

Isn’t this something the president of the United States should have known?