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Donald Trump Says His Name May Have Been Planted in Jeffrey Epstein Files

Here is what I think. The files contain no end of embarrassing and salacious information on many men of both political stripes but none of it reaches the level of hard, prosecutorial evidence of criminal behavior. Releasing the information, minus criminal charges , would be both inappropriate, unethical and illegal. The Garland DOJ knew that and therefore didn't release the info. In comes Bondi thinking she had some sort of smoking gun and finds the same thing.....releasing the information would be a political and legal disaster. Yup, there is stuff there but releasing it serves no legitimate public purpose. Good luck Bondi walking this back. Best Trump can hope for is the public becoming bored .....

We successfully threw a woman in jail for running a criminal underage sex ring for the rich and powerful, and yet, we don't have enough evidence for any prosecutable offences by any of those rich and powerful people despite the likely testimony of the people involved who would know precisely what happened?

That's what you're going with?
 
We successfully threw a woman in jail for running a criminal underage sex ring for the rich and powerful, and yet, we don't have enough evidence for any prosecutable offences by any of those rich and powerful people despite the likely testimony of the people involved who would know precisely what happened?

That's what you're going with?
I'm not going with anything except to say the evidence would have to be overwhelming.....he says , she says won't cut it. Personally, I think a bunch of very rich, entitled pigs need to be, at the least, exposed for their disgusting behaviors but releasing salacious details without an indictment isn't appropriate either.
 
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We don't have the evidence, the government is sitting on it.
My point is they likely don't have the kind of hard evidence needed for a conviction. Make no mistake though, I think these men, including Trump, are pigs
 
Honestly!! I cannot believe your spiral down to a bad TV reality show!!!
**** this is the home of jerry springer. All those trash shows from the 90s to early 2000s probably made this inevitable.
 
**** this is the home of jerry springer. All those trash shows from the 90s to early 2000s probably made this inevitable.
I hear you!
 
My point is they likely don't have the kind of hard evidence needed for a conviction. Make no mistake though, I think these men, including Trump, are pigs

I'm quite certain we don't have enough evidence for a conviction if the people who prosecute such things won't pursue one.

What's "likely" in this scenario is hard to tell because it seems like there ought to be plenty of evidence.
 
I'm quite certain we don't have enough evidence for a conviction if the people who prosecute such things won't pursue one.

What's "likely" in this scenario is hard to tell because it seems like there ought to be plenty of evidence.
It's a tough one. I believe that horrible men did horrible things. However, I also believe a civilized society cannot allow the prosecution of those people to happen in the court of public opinion. A special prosecutor would be the answer but there is no way this Administration would appoint a true and unbiased arbitror of the facts. Its a mess
 



But Donald.... for years you've pushed the conspiray theory that the global elites (Jews and Democrats) were having sex with underage girls in a sex-trafficking ring run by Jeffrey Epstein. You continually told your MAGA base that if elected, you would drain the D.C. swamp and reveal all the names in the "Epstein List". Now that you're in the Oval Office, you want nothing to do with any purported Epstein List. Your Attorney General, Pam Bondi, informed you that your name was indeed in Epstein's List. Dozens of photographs have surfaced of you and Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell (Epstein's girfriend and child groomer) at parties, and flight manifests denote you flying on Epstein's "Lolita Express" party airplane no less than 8 times. Your Deputy Attorney General (and former personal attorney) Todd Blanche secretly interviewed Ghislaine Mawell and offered her limited immunity. Maxwell's attorney says Ghislaine is (somehow) the victim and should be pardoned. He seems to forget that Ms. Maxwell was convicted of the sex-trafficking of minors, and also convicted of two counts of perjury. Borrowing a page from Maxwell's attorney, Donald Trump now claims he is also a victim and was probably framed.

It seems Donnie, that you have a fairly good idea of the context that your name appears in the Epstein Files. Drain the swamp? America has never before seen such scandalous corruption from the Oval Office.
We all know his name is in the files he flew on Jeffrey Epstein's plane multiple times he didn't go to bugger Island.

Everyone knows this I think there's probably more going on here.
 
We all know his name is in the files he flew on Jeffrey Epstein's plane multiple times he didn't go to bugger Island.

Everyone knows this I think there's probably more going on here.

Pam Bondi told Trump his name is in the Epstein Files. The exact context is unknown unless the files are released, which Trump is now reluctant to do.

 
Pam Bondi told Trump his name is in the Epstein Files. The exact context is unknown unless the files are released, which Trump is now reluctant to do.
We all already knew before bondi said anything. It's not a secret not sure if ever was
 
Oh OK.....tell me again why Trump won't release them

Is it "won't release them" or can't force them being released?



that's Judge Robin Rosenberg, an Obama appointed judge


you're right in that the DOJ said they'd release files then said there were no files ..... even though I'm Trump voter/supporter I clearly see the problems and then Trump saying Epstein stole his spa girls .... again, troubling

I keep going back to what I've said before though - 4 years Democrats had office .... they did everything they could to keep Trump from even running in 2024, much less winning. There was 4 years of opportunity for them to link Trump to Epstein and didn't and you and I both know if they could have, they would have
 
1) MAGA is some stupid mother****ers

2)...



 
Is it "won't release them" or can't force them being released?
The grand jury testimony is a small subset of the information in the file. Everything other than the actual testimony is under the control of the DOJ. They absolutely can release it if they wanted to.
you're right in that the DOJ said they'd release files then said there were no files ..... even though I'm Trump voter/supporter I clearly see the problems and then Trump saying Epstein stole his spa girls .... again, troubling

Trump and his loyalists caused this mess and I see no way out of it for them. They are just going to have to ride it out as suspicions, caused by them, grows . Trump's comment about the spa girl was flat out stupid. The more he keeps on yapping the worse it gets.

I keep going back to what I've said before though - 4 years Democrats had office .... they did everything they could to keep Trump from even running in 2024, much less winning. There was 4 years of opportunity for them to link Trump to Epstein and didn't and you and I both know if they could have, they would have
I absolutely do not know any such thing. I believe they didn't release them for the same reason Bondi now realizes she can't. It is inappropriate, unethical and likely illegal to release investigative material on individuals who were, for whatever reason, not charged with any crimes.
 
The grand jury testimony is a small subset of the information in the file. Everything other than the actual testimony is under the control of the DOJ. They absolutely can release it if they wanted to.


Trump and his loyalists caused this mess and I see no way out of it for them. They are just going to have to ride it out as suspicions, caused by them, grows . Trump's comment about the spa girl was flat out stupid. The more he keeps on yapping the worse it gets.
that's what Trump does and you're right

I absolutely do not know any such thing. I believe they didn't release them for the same reason Bondi now realizes she can't. It is inappropriate, unethical and likely illegal to release investigative material on individuals who were, for whatever reason, not charged with any crimes.

then why does the left clammer on about it so much then ?
 
that's what Trump does and you're right



then why does the left clammer on about it so much then ?
Left and right are clamoring because they aren't concerned, like an AG would be, with the legal fallout of releasing investigative material involving people not charged with a crime. Like the right , they are simply looking for salacious material to embarrass the other side,
 
Left and right are clamoring because they aren't concerned, like an AG would be, with the legal fallout of releasing investigative material involving people not charged with a crime. Like the right , they are simply looking for salacious material to embarrass the other side,

I agree which is why I really don't think Trump was involved with Epstein island

however

he said he'd release all - he hasn't
he has said mixed things on his association with Epstein
now, he's flapping about Epstein stealing his spa girls ?

I'm still glad we have him vs Kamala ..... and I'm still very much looking forward to 2028 when we no longer have to deal with a Clinton/Obama/Bush/Biden or Trump
 
I agree which is why I really don't think Trump was involved with Epstein island

however

he said he'd release all - he hasn't
he has said mixed things on his association with Epstein
now, he's flapping about Epstein stealing his spa girls ?

I'm still glad we have him vs Kamala ..... and I'm still very much looking forward to 2028 when we no longer have to deal with a Clinton/Obama/Bush/Biden or Trump
Additionally, he bragged about how he could have his way sexually with women because he was rich, he also admitted he liked women on the younger side, he cheated on all three of his wives including sleeping with a porn start just after his new son was born and having a lengthy affair with a Playboy Bunny . The man is immoral. I have no doubt that he was involved in illicit sexual acts while with Epstein however, I also believe that there was not enough evidence to charge him with criminal behavior. I also believe the same of the other men known to chum with Epstein.
 
Additionally, he bragged about how he could have his way sexually with women because he was rich,
many wealthy men have this- its not illegal. Women love money

he also admitted he liked women on the younger side,
many men do

he cheated on all three of his wives including sleeping with a porn start just after his new son was born and having a lengthy affair with a Playboy Bunny .
not uncommon

The man is immoral.
100% agree

I have no doubt that he was involved in illicit sexual acts while with Epstein however, I also believe that there was not enough evidence to charge him with criminal behavior. I also believe the same of the other men known to chum with Epstein.
ok I DO have doubts - you're going to have to prove he was involved with Epstein like that



The documents include references to former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, the magician David Copperfield, Prince Andrew, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, actor Kevin Spacey, lawyer Alan Dershowitz, the late New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and former Vice President Al Gore, among others. (Stephen Hawking too)


Epstein knew everybody who was anybody - fact
 
many wealthy men have this- its not illegal. Women love money
Perhaps it would be more appropriate and less misogynist to say "some women"
ok I DO have doubts - you're going to have to prove he was involved with Epstein like that
I don't have to prove anything. It is simply my opinion that a pig like Trump was involved with a pig like Epstein and that involvement included young women.
 



But Donald.... for years you've pushed the conspiray theory that the global elites (Jews and Democrats) were having sex with underage girls in a sex-trafficking ring run by Jeffrey Epstein. You continually told your MAGA base that if elected, you would drain the D.C. swamp and reveal all the names in the "Epstein List". Now that you're in the Oval Office, you want nothing to do with any purported Epstein List. Your Attorney General, Pam Bondi, informed you that your name was indeed in Epstein's List. Dozens of photographs have surfaced of you and Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell (Epstein's girfriend and child groomer) at parties, and flight manifests denote you flying on Epstein's "Lolita Express" party airplane no less than 8 times. Your Deputy Attorney General (and former personal attorney) Todd Blanche secretly interviewed Ghislaine Mawell and offered her limited immunity. Maxwell's attorney says Ghislaine is (somehow) the victim and should be pardoned. He seems to forget that Ms. Maxwell was convicted of the sex-trafficking of minors, and also convicted of two counts of perjury. Borrowing a page from Maxwell's attorney, Donald Trump now claims he is also a victim and was probably framed.

It seems Donnie, that you have a fairly good idea of the context that your name appears in the Epstein Files. Drain the swamp? America has never before seen such scandalous corruption from the Oval Office.
You wrote: "America has never before seen such scandalous corruption from the Oval Office."

Nice hyperbole. Just like one of Trump's hyperbolic statement.
There is no proof of his name on any manifest to the island.
Moreover, there is no proof Trump engaged in any illegal behavior on the island.
Of course, anti-Trumpers want to indict him, try him, and condemn him before any evidence of a crime has surfaced ANYWHERE!
 
Perhaps it would be more appropriate and less misogynist to say "some women"
some women yes - and its very very common to see wealthy/famous men with flocks of women around them

I don't have to prove anything. It is simply my opinion that a pig like Trump was involved with a pig like Epstein and that involvement included young women.

ok there ya go - I agree, its your opinion and I think we can agree its also the opinion only of all the Liberal Media hate outlets too

we've seen this over and over and over for 8 years - when something is thrown and it doesn't stick they pick something else and throw. ..... over and over
 
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