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Donald trump says blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims.

So you equate poor with criminal?

Criminals, especially those who violent and (especially) property crimes, are overwhelmingly from the lower economic strata.

Are they criminals because they are poor, or are they poor because they are criminals?

Honestly, a bit of both. Some poor people become criminals out of desperation, some are criminals AND poor due to mental illness, some are poor because they can't get a job due to prior criminal activity.
 
Criminals, especially those who violent and (especially) property crimes, are overwhelmingly from the lower economic strata.



Honestly, a bit of both. Some poor people become criminals out of desperation, some are criminals AND poor due to mental illness, some are poor because they can't get a job due to prior criminal activity.

How do you explain that rural poor are not violent offenders whereas urban poor are?

Is it the poor part that makes one or the other violent?
 
Hilarious that the worst part of this tweet is that it was inaccurate, and not that a presidential candidate is acted like a drunk racist sharing a tweet specifically crafted to communicate the message that black people are scary.

I'm surprised we haven't legitimately heard the response "it's not racist if it's a retweet, since it's not a Trump Original."
 
How do you explain that rural poor are not violent offenders whereas urban poor are?

Is it the poor part that makes one or the other violent?

It's not a 100 percent truism, Mason. We're talking statistical tendency. The Menendez Brothers were rich. OJ was rich. And not every poor person is a criminal.

As far as rural vs. urban poor, urban poor tend to be stacked on top of each other whereas the rural poor do not. Rural poor often have options for things like food (growing it) that are unavailable to urban poor. However, as per these Bureau of Justice Statistics numbers:

Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Household Poverty and Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008–2012
 
I'm surprised we haven't legitimately heard the response "it's not racist if it's a retweet, since it's not a Trump Original."

I'm pretty sure Ex-Con already has.

Another funny thing: I just went to Trump's Tweet page, and guess which infographic is still up?
 
Isn't it amazing how many accomplished people are idiots according to the left?
Well for "accomplished" guys they sure say, tweet and do a lot of idiotic things.
 
So you equate poor with criminal?

Are they criminals because they are poor, or are they poor because they are criminals?



Yeah, that's a pretty common claim. Hell, it's considered axiomatic in lots of circles. It's also wrong.

Having money doesn't stop criminal behavior. If it did then there would never be a drug cartel or a Mafia.
 
Protip: Conclusion on cause....is not..solution.Again, "culture" as the blame, is nothing more than Murray based semantic gymnastics.

As already linked, and debated, "crime" is directly correlated to levels of poverty regardless of race.

That's just flat out wrong. Criminals don't stop being criminals once they make some money. If they did then criminality would solve itself. What happens is that criminals with money use those funds to expand their operations. It may be hard to understand because it's all very Capitalistic but to a certain extent more money actually creates more crime.
 
I'm surprised we haven't legitimately heard the response "it's not racist if it's a retweet, since it's not a Trump Original."

Don't know if this is already old news, but that has in fact been Trump's own response.

“All it was is a retweet,” Trump continued. “It wasn’t from me.”

Trump defends tweet with faulty crime stats as ‘a retweet’ | OnPolitics

"Sure," Trump went on to clarify, "It may have been a massively offensive, blatantly racist tweet intended to appeal to the most racist component of America, and I liked it because it fit with my own world view seamlessly, but if I didn't make it, I'm not racist! Woot!"*



*Not actually said.
 
That's just flat out wrong. Criminals don't stop being criminals once they make some money.
Wow, not sure if this is straw (levels of crime is not a discussion on recidivism) or just a attempt to divert.
If they did then criminality would solve itself.
Oh, so poverty has....disappeared! Magic!
What happens is that criminals with money use those funds to expand their operations. It may be hard to understand because it's all very Capitalistic but to a certain extent more money actually creates more crime.
OH MY GAWD....now your argument is that we should have greater levels of crime as monetary levels expand!

Instead of continuing to actually make rational argument on general crime (violent and non-violent) LEVEL causation....you try to distract to professional career criminality.

Straw.
 
How do you explain that rural poor are not violent offenders whereas urban poor are?

Is it the poor part that makes one or the other violent?
As analyzed by Peterson and Kirvo, the greater the level of poverty (including levels of segregation, etc.) the greater the level of both violent and non-violent crime. If you go back the my first response to luth, it will direct you to both the debate and the links to their work.
 
Wow, not sure if this is straw (levels of crime is not a discussion on recidivism) or just a attempt to divert.Oh, so poverty has....disappeared! Magic! OH MY GAWD....now your argument is that we should have greater levels of crime as monetary levels expand!

Instead of continuing to actually make rational argument on general crime (violent and non-violent) LEVEL causation....you try to distract to professional career criminality.

Straw.

Actually the argument is that wealth and crime are nowhere near as interconnected as some might like to believe. That's merely the argument that politicians use to push redistribution policies. It's been going on for 50 years and hasn't fixed a damned thing.

So far the only thing that seems to have had a direct impact on reducing crime is legislation imposing stricter sentencing.
 
Yeah, that's a pretty common claim. Hell, it's considered axiomatic in lots of circles. It's also wrong.

Having money doesn't stop criminal behavior. If it did then there would never be a drug cartel or a Mafia.

It is so sad to one cannot distinguish between the level of crime of a population and crime carried out by professional career criminals.
 
Actually the argument is that wealth and crime are nowhere near as interconnected as some might like to believe. That's merely the argument that politicians use to push redistribution policies. It's been going on for 50 years and hasn't fixed a damned thing.
except that the link is borne out by statistical analysis.....and crime has been in decline for quite some time, one of the causes is social support systems.

So far the only thing that seems to have had a direct impact on reducing crime is legislation imposing stricter sentencing.
Now that is a direct claim by Murray that is false on its face.

I find it so hypocritical that the whine was for rational debate....and yet all we have are unsupported irrational argument from you.
 
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I am not going to defend Trump on any of his rhetoric. But I do have a genuine point to make. Most everyone watches the news at least a couple times a week. And what you see on the news are often horrific acts of violence that goes national and more times than not the perpetrators are people of color. True story. What is the average person often busy making a living and raising a family to think? Take just the last few months for example. Let's start with the number of cops who have been killed. Most were white and others were of all different nationalities and all were done by people of color. How about Vester Flanagan who happened to be black murdered two local television news employees on air who happened to be white and posted a homemade video of the crime before killing himself. This story went viral like so many do. What about the killing of Zoe Hastings who was found stabbed to death in Dallas. The accused is a sexual predator with a criminal record. It came out in court documents this young lady was on her way to church when she was stabbed by a black man and that certainly made our local news. What about the most recent white woman killed and the wife of a preacher man and pregnant. The perpetrators turned out to be black, She tried to fight them off in her home while her toddler son was sleeping upstairs. And that does not begin to touch the reporting locally of the black on white, black on Hispanic or visa versa or the black on black crime so many of us who live near a metropolitan city have this crap reported daily in our local news.

There is a problem. Let's be honest about it and judge it for what it is. Trump isn't the place to start for as he has proven himself to be using hyperbole rhetoric and being less than truthful about his responses. But nevertheless there is enough evidence without any study to show there is a real problem.
 
Not only sarcastic, but oblivious to fact....while avoiding the implication in arguing the racial divide on homicides. The rw plays the "jus say'n card by stating the levels, but don't want to say why they are such beyond wink/nudge.
D'oh!
Hilarious.
You are the one oblivious to fact, as that sarcasm contained fact.

There are more whites in poverty that there is blacks, yet by respective population, whites commit fewer crimes than blacks do.
You just don't like the facts.


while avoiding the implication in arguing the racial divide on homicides
Bs. Ignoring the implications? That appears to be what you do.
It is exactly those stats concerning this topic "murder" which show the study you like to cling to, to be a farce.


The rw plays the "jus say'n card by stating the levels, but don't want to say why they are such beyond wink/nudge.
Facts are facts.
You want to lamely shift the blame to "poverty".
Poverty does not cause a person not to care about another and cause them damage.
Poverty does not cause a person to act out criminally or violently.

The fact that the majority of all races who are in poverty are not out there making that poor choice s an indication that it is not caused by poverty.
That pretty much shows it isn't caused by poverty.

Get a clue. Crime is a choice, it is not caused by poverty.
Sans exceptions to the rule, there are only two variables that can account for the choice of acting out criminally. Nature and nurture.


Prove they are not.
prove a negative...brilliant. another example of fingers faster than reason.
I see reality has escaped your grasp again.
Mexico, by not acting to stop them (a deliberate action on their part), is exporting them.


As already linked, and debated, "crime" is directly correlated to levels of poverty regardless of race.
You linked bunk.
A single limited study of generalities that falls apart when the specifcs stats of this topic "murder" got pointed out.


Rational discourse! As if! I have attempted rational debate on this very topic previously with you and xcon and turtle in the thread linked, never have I been able to get you or your ilk to bring your arguments to a conclusion on the causes....beyond irrational and unsupported claims of "culture", which is nothing more than Murray-ist genetics argument.
Is that what you think you engaged in?
iLOL
No you didn't.
You provided an "in-general" bunk study that fell apart when the specific stats surrounding this very topic, "murder" were introduced.
Or in a simpler expression. The study you provided could not and did not account for the disparity in murders.





I'm pretty sure Ex-Con already has.
D'oh!
The tweet wasn't racist. Some of the information it contained got transposed, making it incorrect in regards to those two specifics.
That is all and there is nothing racist about it.
To claim it is racist is just stupid.
 
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