Donald Trump calls for Jon Tester to resign over Jackson opposition

[code1211]

Yes, he was trusted by those who didn't know any better. They trusted him when he said, "no one will lose heath care coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a 'lot less expensive' for everyone," which isn't true. They believed him when he said Medicare and Social Security will not be touches and now the GOP is plotting to reduce both in order to pay for last year's tax-cuts that 83% went to the wealthy.

As is so often the case, people who oppose Trump do so because a a prediction they read and don't verify with facts from the real world.

You post a prediction from a leftist source included in an anti Trump attack piece by NBC, a noted perverter of truth.

Do you have any real world stats to back up your prediction of dire consequence? Of course not. They don't exist. Here is something you may want to read"

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/health-insurance-marketplaces-for-2018/

In the REAL world, Obmacare is moving along just fine and there are additional choices provided by the Trump Administration for those that want them.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...cess-increase-choices-lower-costs-healthcare/

 

[rocket88]

Then follow the advice of Reagan and "verify". Sounds like that is what Trump did with the Birth Certificate.

I think it's safe to say that whatever the number of wild, unsubstantiated claims made by Trump has been, there have been much more of the same made about him.

I'm watching the commercials for the local politicians making statements about their opponents in the primary run up. Making wild unsubstantiated claims about one's opponent seems to be a pretty common practice in our politics.

Make Trump a Saint? It's probably just a good idea to let him do the job he's already on. How's your 401 K doing?

Yeah, he "verified...." that must be it....

 

[MTAtech]

As is so often the case, people who oppose Trump do so because a a prediction they read and don't verify with facts from the real world.

You post a prediction from a leftist source included in an anti Trump attack piece by NBC, a noted perverter of truth.

Do you have any real world stats to back up your prediction of dire consequence? Of course not. They don't exist. Here is something you may want to read"

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/health-insurance-marketplaces-for-2018/

In the REAL world, Obmacare is moving along just fine and there are additional choices provided by the Trump Administration for those that want them.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...cess-increase-choices-lower-costs-healthcare/

I wasn't "predicting" anything. I was pointing out how gullible desperate voters were fooled by a con man's promises. The sheer number of falsehoods and disingenuous promises is too large to post here. So, I will go through just a few.

On health care, Trump said: he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid. There was no plan in the works and Trump ended up backing a plan that covers between 21 and 22 million fewer Americans; spends less on Medicaid through block grants; "allow insurers to provide lower-cost, stripped-down insurance plans, as long as they offer one plan that meets Obamacare standards. Experts and moderates warn that such a provision could cause premiums to soar for sicker people if healthy people move to the cheaper options."

The stupidity of Trumpcare: Government will spend $33 billion more to cover 8.9 million fewer Americans, as premiums soar

If "Obmacare is moving along just fine," it's in spite of Trump/GOP not because of them: Obamacare’s Very Stable Genius

If Republicans retain control of both houses of Congress, we can safely predict that they’ll make another try at repealing Obamacare, taking health insurance away from 25 million or 30 million Americans. Why? Because their attempts to sabotage the program keep falling short, and time is running out.

Trump promised to tax the rich but his actual plan his a gift to the rich.

On the economy: "Over the next 10 years, our economic team estimates that under our plan the economy will average 3.5 percent growth and create a total of 25 million new jobs." That isn't even close to the numbers that we are seeing.

Drain the Swamp: Trump's appointees, such as, Pruitt/Price/Zinke/Carson are the swamp -- fleecing the taxpayers and rewarding rich donors.

 

[code1211]

Sorry, but "trusting Trump" is a fool's proposition. Anyone that "trusts Trump" is being foolish as supported by a track record of 4 bankruptcies, more than 3500 lawsuits, Trump University, a fraudulent charity, not paying the veterans money he raised until being called on it. Sorry, we have never had a more untrustworthy President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

I suggest the population you call that "trusts" him are terribly naive... and must relish living in abusive relationships...

64% of American voters do not find Trump trustworthy.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/donald-trump-trust/index.html

64% of Americans do not "...live and work in the Swamp in DC and drink the Establishment Kool Aid..." No, 64% is mainstream America.

And yet the parade of world leaders who seek audiences with him continues. The Economy continues to grow. The employment situation for every American continues to improve.

How's your 401K doing?

 

[itsforthekids]

He's entitled to his opinion. John Tester is a disgrace.

 

[code1211]

Yeah, he "verified...." that must be it....

Do you seriously assert that Trump is the only politician to ever make a wild, unsubstantiated claim?

Did your premiums decrease by $2500/year?

 

[code1211]

I wasn't "predicting" anything. I was pointing out how gullible desperate voters were fooled by a con man's promises. The sheer number of falsehoods and disingenuous promises is too large to post here. So, I will go through just a few.

On health care, Trump said: he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid. There was no plan in the works and Trump ended up backing a plan that covers between 21 and 22 million fewer Americans; spends less on Medicaid through block grants; "allow insurers to provide lower-cost, stripped-down insurance plans, as long as they offer one plan that meets Obamacare standards. Experts and moderates warn that such a provision could cause premiums to soar for sicker people if healthy people move to the cheaper options."

The stupidity of Trumpcare: Government will spend $33 billion more to cover 8.9 million fewer Americans, as premiums soar

If "Obmacare is moving along just fine," it's in spite of Trump/GOP not because of them: Obamacare’s Very Stable Genius

Trump promised to tax the rich but his actual plan his a gift to the rich.

On the economy: "Over the next 10 years, our economic team estimates that under our plan the economy will average 3.5 percent growth and create a total of 25 million new jobs." That isn't even close to the numbers that we are seeing.

Drain the Swamp: Trump's appointees, such as, Pruitt/Price/Zinke/Carson are the swamp -- fleecing the taxpayers and rewarding rich donors.

Again, you are posting predictions and unfounded ideas to support your delusions as if they are fact.

Trump said he had a good solution to healthcare that would save money. Did he promise to reduce premiums by $2500/year?

Seems I recall somebody saying that in the run up to the Obamacare swindle.

 

[MTAtech]

Again, you are posting predictions and unfounded ideas to support your delusions as if they are fact.

Trump said he had a good solution to healthcare that would save money. Did he promise to reduce premiums by $2500/year?

Seems I recall somebody saying that in the run up to the Obamacare swindle.

First, if you are trying to say that Obama lied about reducing premiums by $2,500, it was true when he said it and things changed. Trump lies are quantitatively far higher and qualitatively less true. Obama isn't even in the same league of liar as Trump.

Second, Trump said, “I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.” On “Meet the Press” arguing, “I firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we’re going through.”

Kellyanne Conway made a promise that almost certainly can’t be met with the House bill: “We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance.”

In its current form, the CBO says Conway’s promise simply won’t be kept in the House bill. An estimated 24 million people will lose coverage over the next 10 years under the plan. link

Trump boasted via Twitter, “I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid”
The CBO found the House Obamacare repeal measure would cut Medicaid by $880 billion.

In other words, nothing Trump promised about health care was true.

 

[code1211]

First, if you are trying to say that Obama lied about reducing premiums by $2,500, it was true when he said it and things changed. Trump lies are quantitatively far higher and qualitatively less true. Obama isn't even in the same league of liar as Trump.

Second, Trump said, “I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.” On “Meet the Press” arguing, “I firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we’re going through.”
Trump boasted via Twitter, “I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid”
The CBO found the House Obamacare repeal measure would cut Medicaid by $880 billion.

In other words, nothing Trump promised about health care was true.

What are the cuts that you are pointing to?

 

[rocket88]

Do you seriously assert that Trump is the only politician to ever make a wild, unsubstantiated claim?

Did your premiums decrease by $2500/year?

Of course not, but he has made a few.

 

[code1211]

Of course not, but he has made a few.

Of course!

You should hear what our local Republican Senatorial candidates are saying about themselves and each other.

Wild, unsubstantiated claims have been rampant in our politics since our Revolution.

 

[upsideguy]

And yet the parade of world leaders who seek audiences with him continues. The Economy continues to grow. The employment situation for every American continues to improve.

How's your 401K doing?

My 401(k) has been doing great since 2009. Thanks Obama!. and, thanks Trump for not yet screwing that up, yet. Nothing like a little shot of stimulus in a full employment economy to keep the ball in the air just a little longer.

But, sorry, the man just is not smart enough, unable to keep good people, works part-time and fundamentally has just too many distractions to keep it all going. Running $1T deficits in a strong economy is not sound; tariffs and trade wars are not sound, income disparity is not sound. Unsound economic policies bread recession, for which we are long over due.

If you are suggesting Trump has helped me economically, you are speaking to the wrong person. The tax cut raises my taxes 10% and as a 60 year old semi-retired person, I rely on the PPACA, which he gutted... so he has done me no favors. That said, I don't typically vote my pocketbook. I vote for what I believe is right for America and he is a far from that as anyone who has run for office.

The economy aside, I am not exactly sure how this ever got in to the job description of a POTUS in the first place. I like my leaders to have integrity. Hence, I don't like this "leader'.

 

[rocket88]

Of course!

You should hear what our local Republican Senatorial candidates are saying about themselves and each other.

Wild, unsubstantiated claims have been rampant in our politics since our Revolution.

Then why should Tester resign?

 

[code1211]

My 401(k) has been doing great since 2009. Thanks Obama!. and, thanks Trump for not yet screwing that up, yet. Nothing like a little shot of stimulus in a full employment economy to keep the ball in the air just a little longer.

But, sorry, the man just is not smart enough, unable to keep good people, works part-time and fundamentally has just too many distractions to keep it all going. Running $1T deficits in a strong economy is not sound; tariffs and trade wars are not sound, income disparity is not sound. Unsound economic policies bread recession, for which we are long over due.

If you are suggesting Trump has helped me economically, you are speaking to the wrong person. The tax cut raises my taxes 10% and as a 60 year old semi-retired person, I rely on the PPACA, which he gutted... so he has done me no favors. That said, I don't typically vote my pocketbook. I vote for what I believe is right for America and he is a far from that as anyone who has run for office.

The economy aside, I am not exactly sure how this ever got in to the job description of a POTUS in the first place. I like my leaders to have integrity. Hence, I don't like this "leader'.

You have a misguided impression of what a leader is supposed to do. If the leader is not making things better for you, the measure you use is not a good one.

That whole second paragraph applies perfectly in every word to Obama. Except the part about the deficit. Obama and Bush both doubled the deficit and running ONLT an average 1 Trillion will have been a vast improvement if Trump can keep it up.

What has changed for you in Obamacare? As far as I know, there has been no legislation passed to adjust anything for current policy holders.

What past American President do you view as having had integrity?

 

[code1211]

Then why should Tester resign?

No idea.

What makes you ask?

 

[rocket88]

No idea.

What makes you ask?

Umm...title of the thread...kind of what it's about...

 

[code1211]

Umm...title of the thread...kind of what it's about...

Well, I think that Tester should be voted out of office, but I'm not one of his constituents.

My opinion should make no difference to him- or to anyone else, for that matter.