Donald trump calls for barring Muslims from entering US

[PakPuk]

Got news for you - the center in this country is precisely who he's talking to, and they agree. That is if you follow what he actually said as opposed to what the MSM is saying he said.

I know what he is saying is popular but he is slowly getting to line of being inappropriate.

Bet you money that next year a few weeks before the general election he will claim on live air that "the blacks are all gang members" because I think he is getting his orders down from the top.

 

[Somerville]

Silly conflation. Only one religious group currently identifies as hyphenated American. And no, the patriotic Americans who are Muslim generally don't self identify as Muslim-Americans. They are Americans and they are Muslim by faith.

Silly denial. I can think of several other groups which use their religion with their citizenship in self-descriptions.

American Buddhism on the rise

Jewish-Americans

Hindu Americans Grieve Latest Loss of Lives in Mass Shooting

Wiccan-Americans

 

[Somerville]

"until we figure out what's going on".


Seems reasonable that in order to secure our country from this threat we should review all the immigration policies we currently have. for example Obama made it easier for the savage wife of the savage terrorist to come in on a fiance visa...

what's going on?

"Obama made it easier" or foregoing his well-known tendency to issue executive orders, he allowed the immigration bureaucrats to follow established practices?

 

[Somerville]

And they are HERE while that process is taking place.

Me shouting also: NO THEY ARE NOT!

 

[clownboy]

I know what he is saying is popular but he is slowly getting to line of being inappropriate.

Bet you money that next year a few weeks before the general election he will claim on live air that "the blacks are all gang members" because I think he is getting his orders down from the top.

You so obviously don't know Trump, HE is the boss, he IS the top. That's his thing, he has a massive ego.

 

[Arkantos]

I have suspicion he is working for her, either he knows it or he does not but these actions are not going to win over the center ground that wins elections.

I suppose he's looking to "convert" that center ground to his side. With this kind of extremist statement, he's basically putting all is cards on terrorism. If an actual ISIS orchestrated attack takes place in the US, make no mistake, his numbers will promptly go up.

 

[clownboy]

Me shouting also: NO THEY ARE NOT!

:lamo

You can shout all you want, but that's how the refugee thing works. Allowed in first because after all they are fleeing some nightmare, "refugees" remember? Then processed.

 

[PakPuk]

You so obviously don't know Trump, HE is the boss, he IS the top. That's his thing, he has a massive ego.

Yes he has got a massive ego but we don't know whether he is 100% committed. He is being used whether he knows it or does not but what I can certainly say is that his message/soundbites are not policy but dumbed down ideas that make the GOP and Trump look like their only supporters are people like Billy Bob who drives a tractor from Montana.

 

[PakPuk]

I suppose he's looking to "convert" that center ground to his side. With this kind of extremist statement, he's basically putting all is cards on terrorism. If an actual ISIS orchestrated attack takes place in the US, make no mistake, his numbers will promptly go up.

The statement in itself was not extreme but he did not announce it in the correct way and he did not give enough detail which gave the media the opportunity to spin what he said into headlines like-

"Trump wants muslims banned"

 

[clownboy]

The statement in itself was not extreme but he did not announce it in the correct way and he did not give enough detail which gave the media the opportunity to spin what he said into headlines like-

"Trump wants muslims banned"

It just doesn't matter how he says it, the MSM is going to shape and redeliver what he says to attack him.

 

[Bucky]

You just said you had nothing against muslims. Then you proceed to attack their religion as "dangerous". That is something you clearly have "against" Muslims. Its not "liberal bullying" or whatever bull**** you want to label it as, its the truth of the situation.

Question. Have you read the Koran or know the history behind Muhammad?

I am actually not looking to start a fight or argument. That being said "the truth of the situation" is that Islam as a religion is archaic. The David Dukes of Christianity (which is a very fringe minority) are much more prominent and representative in Islam.

 

[PakPuk]

It just doesn't matter how he says it, the MSM is going to shape and redeliver what he says to attack him.

Any one that has a brain cell which tend to be people involved in politics would listen to the full speech/ announcement. All this announcement does is strengthen Trumps following and alienating the center ground which is playing right into Hillary.

 

[PakPuk]

Question. Have you read the Koran or know the history behind Muhammad?

I am actually not looking to start a fight or argument. That being said "the truth of the situation" is that Islam as a religion is archaic. The David Dukes of Christianity (which is a very fringe minority) are much more prominent and representative in Islam.

Expect a lecture on Christian colonialism and the ignoring of Islamic terror.

 

[clownboy]

Yes he has got a massive ego but we don't know whether he is 100% committed. He is being used whether he knows it or does not but what I can certainly say is that his message/soundbites are not policy but dumbed down ideas that make the GOP and Trump look like their only supporters are people like Billy Bob who drives a tractor from Montana.

He's every bit as committed as every other candidate on either side of the aisle, perhaps more so since he's self-funding. And no, that's part of his attractiveness - he's NOT being used. ALL the others are, with the exception of Carson and maybe Sanders. You show little familiarity with what he has to say but instead rely upon what the MSM says about what he said.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Question. Have you read the Koran or know the history behind Muhammad?

Parts of it. Im guessing your some self proclaimed internet expert on the Koran?

I am actually not looking to start a fight or argument. That being said "the truth of the situation" is that Islam as a religion is archaic. The David Dukes of Christianity (which is a very fringe minority) are much more prominent and representative in Islam.

Every abrahamic religion is archaic at face value...

 

[clownboy]

Any one that has a brain cell which tend to be people involved in politics would listen to the full speech/ announcement. All this announcement does is strengthen Trumps following and alienating the center ground which is playing right into Hillary.

Nailed the first part, totally disagree on the last. The center in this country is eating what he actually says up.

 

[PakPuk]

He's every bit as committed as every other candidate on either side of the aisle, perhaps more so since he's self-funding. And no, that's part of his attractiveness - he's NOT being used. ALL the others are, with the exception of Carson and maybe Sanders. You show little familiarity with what he has to say but instead rely upon what the MSM says about what he said.

You have got to admit he is not sounding very intellectual and wise when saying his soundbites like "we are gunna build the biggest military" and "nobody is gunna mess with us" or on Iraq "we should of a kept the oil, we got nothing". Even comparing the dumbed down message of Hillary and Bernie Trump is beating them.

 

[clownboy]

You have got to admit he is not sounding very intellectual and wise when saying his soundbites like "we are gunna build the biggest military" and "nobody is gunna mess with us" or on Iraq "we should of a kept the oil, we got nothing". Even comparing the dumbed down message of Hillary and Bernie Trump is beating them.

Downhome candidates beat the hell out of intellectual candidates every time. Plain speaking is a well sought after trait for every candidate for higher office.

 

[PakPuk]

Downhome candidates beat the hell out of intellectual candidates every time. Plain speaking is a well sought after trait for every candidate for higher office.

There is plan speak/ telling the truth and appearing to be an idiot. I don't believe Trump is an idiot he is a business man and he knows how the world works but I think he is dumbing down his message for the masses.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

"Obama made it easier" or foregoing his well-known tendency to issue executive orders, he allowed the immigration bureaucrats to follow established practices?

always absolution.... right to the bitter end.

 

[Bucky]

Expect a lecture on Christian colonialism and the ignoring of Islamic terror.

The truth is Christianity has gone through an extensive maturation process. Once again, Islam is where Christianity was in the 13th Century. Unfortunately we do not have time/centuries for Islam to evolve.

The basic principles and ethos of Christianity are peaceful. The same cannot be said about Islam.

 

[PakPuk]

The truth is Christianity has gone through an extensive maturation process. Once again, Islam is where Christianity was in the 13th Century. Unfortunately we do not have time/centuries for Islam to evolve.

The basic principles and ethos of Christianity are peaceful. The same cannot be said about Islam.

Exactly Christians were burning each other for apostasy but it reformed... Islam needs to reform... but no the 'progressive' left just keep saying "solidarity with the religion of peace". Joke.

 

[starcitizen]

Trump is close to doing the goosestep. And people like you cheer him on.

Banning immigrants entrance due to ideological incompatibility with the Constitution is as American as apple pie.


Several ideological requirements for naturalization remain under U.S. law. First is the requirement that the applicant be "attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same."[34] This is essentially a political test,[35] though it "should be construed ... in accord with the theory and practice of our government in relation to freedom of conscience."[36] The statutory requirement is elaborated in the Code of Federal Regulations, which provides: "Attachment implies a depth of conviction which would lead to active support of the Constitution. Attachment and favorable disposition relate to mental attitude, and contemplate the exclusion from citizenship of applicants who are hostile to the basic form of government of the United States, or who disbelieve in the principles of the Constitution

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_restrictions_on_naturalization_in_U.S._law

 

[starcitizen]

You know what actually is fascist? Lying about what your political opponents think or the actions they consider feasible.

Funny to worry about importing "millions of people", when no politician has advocated any such thing.

Millions have already been imported to the west with millions more on the way.

Even funnier - being against people who advocate and act in exactly the same manner as those who are acting against allowing a few refugees into this country. The radical right, the gullible and ignorant in this country are the ones who fight against equal rights for gays, equal rights for women and who wish for their religion to be in control of this nation.

Muslims?

 

[Peter King]

Don't get me wrong. Trump is an alarming Candidate. But would he need Congressional approval for short in and out?

I do not know but I now know he also meant tourists and that is totally idiotic.