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I totally get the sentiment, it's what the end result is that made it difficult for me because then it's often the less desirable option that ends up winning.
There is zero evidence that he plotted a coup. Zero. How do we know this? Because if such evidence existed, you would post it.
Give me a new fact then?
It stands in quicksand, but I suppose that's standing too; while you can anyway. I am not blind to logic, because the logical next step to the claim of signature checks etc. being a problem would be proof there actually was a problem. Of course we know there have been issues with signature checks due to more mundane reasons other than attempts at falsifying votes (signatures changing etc.), so even that isn't a reliable red flag.
There was no diversion from the article, which didn't support your premise, but rather just demonstrated that more people voted by mail rather than in person during the pandemic. The part you didn't really address is how mail in voting outperformed in person voting even before that. You then mention Texas, whose numbers can't accurately be compared to other states because it still required an excuse for using mail in ballots.
You realize you quoted yourself, yes? Just checking in case you were intending something other than countering your own argument.Good Lord is correct, Biden voters couldn't show up at the polls and my post stands
Signature checks didn't occur in many states so you are blind to even basic logic, fairness, and continue to buy the leftwing rhetoric. If you don't match signatures how do you know the actual voter cast their vote?
Most states require signature verification for mail ballots
Former President Donald Trump generated loads of falsehoods about voting by mail in 2020 — a theme that continues to echwww.politifact.com
You do a great job of that, Trump won the in person voting and mail in ballots elected Biden. Only a true cult follower cannot admit that mail in ballots do create potential for fraud enough to overturn the 175000 votes in 5 states that gave Biden the victory.
Couldn't believe there were that many stupid people in this country but now find that there certainly are enough fraudulent Democrats to take advantage of mail in ballots. In person voting and official absentee ballots are the only way to assure no voter fraud and you cannot prove there wasn't
I think the most interesting piece so far is the fact Trump had been told by numerous high level people in his administration there was no evidence of fraud and continued to push that narrative; the fraud component is a really interesting one. We still haven't heard all of the testimony and how they're piecing it together, but you need to remember the scope is broader than just 1/6; it's all of the actions taken by the former president to subvert the election.
Interesting. But once again, that was not the question. Third and last time, do you think Bennie and Lizzie already have evidence that President Trump literally organized the attack on the Capitol, and they are holding it back for the grand finale of their show?
Nonsense.
Yep, and not because the former president didn't have ample opportunities to prove the allegations. In this case, Conservative is mad that not everyone just swallows the election fraud without questioning the simple fact there's been nothing to support the claim.
His entire argument is a train wreck. You can't claim others are not following logic and then pitch an idea that is not supported by evidence; his argument requires accepting his premise on the assumption mail in ballots will automatically lead to widespread fraud. It's why I also cited the states which have mail in ballots as the primary method of voting, and as you also stated, there has been no more voter fraud using that method than any other.
Here are a few. But the best way to learn about all the new facts would be to actually watch the hearings and look at the evidence.
FYI. The consensus seems to be that Biden has already declared the 2022 election illegitimate if Democrats lose. But it's a bit hard to tell as the man is incomprehensibly incoherent.
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I answered that earlier in that the hearings aren't over, so that's yet to be determined, but I suspect there's no direct smoking gun like that because I don't think any of them were that stupid. Then again, calling the Georgia secretary of state to ask him to find votes wasn't that smart either, so anything is possible. Some more insight into all of the communications (emails. texts) and how they relate to any planning will be interesting.
Ha. Biden's beat that count in 18 months.,
Nonsense.
That would be an interesting consensus to reach given he didn't mention that in his comment:FYI. The consensus seems to be that Biden has already declared the 2022 election illegitimate if Democrats lose. But it's a bit hard to tell as the man is incomprehensibly incoherent.
Did Joe Biden really say that the 2022 election could be 'illegitimate'? | CNN Politics
At Wednesday's press conference, President Joe Biden was asked a simple question. It was this: "Speaking of voting rights legislation, if this isn't passed, do you still believe the upcoming election will be fairly conducted and its results will be legitimate?"
This is more in the direction of people overcoming attempts to keep them from voting rather than what you're implying.Biden said:
Reporter: "A moment ago, you were asked whether or not you believed that we would have free and fair elections in 2022 if some of these state legislatures reformed their voting protocols. You said that it depends. Do you -- do you think that they would in any way be illegitimate?"
I think they do. I also think that while they wont make a referral to the DoJ, they're putting all the evidence out there in public from the testimony of Republicans.
Personally, I think all of this is dangerous; whether it's Biden, Trump or whoever says it. Of course the same article states:
What concerns me is the kind of stunt the former president pulled might become the way things start moving toward if there are no consequences. That's how nations start moving down the failed state slope, because a lack of faith in the country's institutions rarely ends well, since what you end up with is the rush to fill power vacuums.CNN article said:
What the DOJ does is the critical thing here, so we'll see.
Interesting. You think Bennie and Lizzie have evidence that President Trump literally organized the attack on the Capitol, but would make a criminal referral. Why wouldn't they do that? THey've been making criminal referrals left and right. They've impeached the dude twice. Rummgaged around in his shorts for two years with their Russia Russia Russia hoax.
Well, it can easily be argued that all the rule changes and how the 2020 election was conducted was what caused people to doubt our elections.
Except doubts about the election were specifically centered among Trump supporters who repeated what he said, versus broader concerns from anyone else. The other interesting point is the GOP has not had any issues rejecting favorable outcomes despite all of this supposed rampant fraud.
For me, there wasn’t any less desirable. There wasn’t anyone between the two I wanted to lose the least. I wanted both to lose with a passion, so I voted that way, for Johnson. I never question my vote, never regretted it, would vote exactly the same today even knowing what happened since Nov 2016.
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From where I'm sitting his claim is suggesting that the DOJ should do an investigation. The ball is in DOJ's court beyond the 1/6 investigation. He'll be unable to back what the DOJ decides to do themselves unless he feels it necessary to piggyback on their future call once it happens if it does.
