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DOJ should investigate Trump for possible crimes in election plot, Rep. Schiff says

Should the DOJ investigate persons of interest for possible crimes in election plot?


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That’s the way it has always been. Looking back, the most charismatic candidate has always won or won the popular vote. You can also look at the like/dislike factor. Call it favorable/unfavorable.

2020 Biden 52/46% favorable/unfavorable, Trump 43/56% Biden won

2016 Hillary Clinton 38/56%, Donald Trump 36/60% Hillary won the popular vote

2012 Obama 62/37%, Romney 55/43% Obama won

2008 Obama 62/35%, McCain 60/35% Obama won

2004 G.W. Bush 61/39%, Kerry 57/40% Bush won

2000 G.W. Bush 58/38%, Gore 55/43% Bush won

1996 Bill Clinton 56/42%, Dole 54/45% Clinton won

1992 Bill Clinton 64/33%, G.H.W. Bush 59/40% Clinton won

1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39%, Dukakis 53/42% Bush won

1984 Reagan 70/30%, Mondale 66/34% Reagan won

1980 Reagan 64/31%, Carter 60/32% Reagan won

And so on on back

Only Trump and Hillary Clinton have had a favorable rating of below 40%, both in 2016. Only 3 presidential candidates have had a favorable rating of below 50%, Clinton in 2016, Trump in both 2016 and 2020, Goldwater in 1964. Only Trump and Clinton have had unfavorable ratings of above 50%, Trump twice and Hillary Clinton once.

The bottom four in favorable/unfavorable

2016 Donald Trump 36/60%

2016 Hillary Clinton 38/56%

2020 Donald Trump 43/56%

1964 Goldwater 43/47%

Just goes to show you how lucky Trump was to have Hillary Clinton as his opponent in 2016. Almost any other Democrat would have beaten him.
And how exactly has personality affected you and your family positively? What you are saying is this is an American idol issue now where popularity matters more than talent. So sad
 
Piece Of Schiff makes that public statement you just gotta know that it's all bullshit.
That's all the guy is made up of. Bullshit.
He's already demonstrated that in spades with his flogging on of the 'Russian Collusion' hoax and claimed 'proof' which never materialized.
Whether it's Schiff, Thompson, Cheney or Kinzinger - their duty on the 1/6 Committee is admirable. Schiff has already stated several times that until all facts/evidence are humanly collected (among the chickenshit obstructionists) the public will not be given the final report.
 
Well that's what we'll know as part of this investigation. At first the common thought was the riot was just a protest gone sideways, now we continue to learn there was far more coordination among two particular groups. You also seem to forget the scope is broader than that as well, since it's also delving into other efforts to try and subvert the election results (calls to secretaries of state) and other officials.


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Given what we've heard from the taped conversation between Trump and Raffensperger, that alone makes it more realistic than a CT theory.
The riot/attack on the Capital was not planned by anyone in government. That is CT lunacy, sorry.
 
Anyone committing a crime brought iin front of a judge, of course. Which cant happen without an investigation. Without an investigation people would get away with it. Nobody wants that, do they.
The FBI has been investigating this for a year and a half. What the democrats are doing is putting on a show trial for the benefit of their trump hating, lunatic base.

You brought it up. You said the rest of the word knows what happened.
Everyone but Trump hating leftist lunatics knows what happened.

Of course. Goes without saying. So of course the iinvestigation must stop short of looking into Trumps role, if there is one.
This is just you entering 1/6Trutherism land. But I love a good CT as much as the next guy, so give me the worst case scenario of Trumps role in the Capital riot.
 
The FBI has been investigating this for a year and a half. What the democrats are doing is putting on a show trial for the benefit of their trump hating, lunatic base.

Everyone but Trump hating leftist lunatics knows what happened.

Quite a few Trump loving rightists lunatics say they were there doing what Trump wanted them to do. Trump loving rightist lunatics who thought they were doing the patriotic thing by stopping the certification process, stopping the steal. You're pissed at the wrong lunatics. It's the lunatic-fringe right who brought all this on.
This is just you entering 1/6Trutherism land. But I love a good CT as much as the next guy, so give me the worst case scenario of Trumps role in the Capital riot.
 
Whether it's Schiff, Thompson, Cheney or Kinzinger - their duty on the 1/6 Committee is admirable. Schiff has already stated several times that until all facts/evidence are humanly collected (among the chickenshit obstructionists) the public will not be given the final report.
Lol Schiff. This is a political hit job on Trump masquerading as an investigation. How many times are you libs going to fall for this crap?
 
Quite a few Trump loving rightists lunatics say they were there doing what Trump wanted them to do. Trump loving rightist lunatics who thought they were doing the patriotic thing by stopping the certification process, stopping the steal. You're pissed at the wrong lunatics. It's the lunatic-fringe right who brought all this on.
The people who committed crimes on 1/6 have been arrested and charged. These hearing are not about them. They are about Trump
 
The people who committed crimes on 1/6 have been arrested and charged. These hearing are not about them. They are about Trump
Right. And many of those people, rightist Trumpists all, say that Trump provoked them.
 
Lol Schiff. This is a political hit job on Trump masquerading as an investigation. How many times are you libs going to fall for this crap?
Ask the libs.

However, the investigation is not only needed but real as hell to uphold the laws of our land. Especially to safeguard Democracy.
 
The people who committed crimes on 1/6 have been arrested and charged.
There should be more to happen.

These hearing are not about them. They are about Trump
The investigation is about possible roles connected to 1/6/21 carried out by Congress Critters, DJT's cabinet members, staffers, lawyers connected to DJT and family members. Oh, and DJT too.
 
And how exactly has personality affected you and your family positively? What you are saying is this is an American idol issue now where popularity matters more than talent. So sad
I think history has proven that, beauty contest, personality contest, American idol. Call it whatever you like. When I do my forecasts, I know from history that 94% of Republicans will vote for their candidates, 94% of Democrats will vote for theirs. Now independents are a bit tricky. They’re not political junkies, they’re less to non-partisans. Usually they pay little to no attention to politics until an election nears. They have no skin in the game. The racehorses are owned by the two major parties, equate that to the candidates they nominate. Many independents are like casual fans who watch the super bowl, vote in the general election, but don’t watch any of the regular season or even the playoffs. But they do vote and watch the super bowl.

They’ll vote on their perceptions of the candidates, their likes and dislikes, their feelings toward the candidates. Very rarely will they checkout where the candidates stand on the issues. Trump turned them off with his childish antics of name calling and throwing of temper tantrums, his bullying tactics. Heck, they didn’t like him in 2016, but they disliked Hillary more. In 2020, they liked Biden, he acted like an adult and behaved in their opinion like a president should.

It doesn’t matter how competent a candidate is or would be, what matters come election time is can he win the independent vote. Can he attract independents, make independents like him more than the other guy? It’s always been this way; I don’t see it changing. Trump’s personality is a losing one among independents regardless of how good or bad a president one thinks he was. Reagan had a great personality, he won 2 landslides. So too did Bill Clinton. Obama won twice due to his personality; not what he accomplished as a president. It was easy to like all three as a person. Trump is very easy to dislike. TV and social media changed how people vote, especially independents. Now it’s very important how one comes across on TV. Nixon found that out in 1960. Carter in 1980, he didn’t stand a chance against the great communicator along with his excellent, positive personality. Bush lost in 1992 and Dole in 1996 because they were dour. Gore and Kerry were statues, Bush Jr. was a down home boy, easy to like. Yeah, American Idol, elections, can be grouped together. Both require the winner to have the most votes.
 
Right. And many of those people, rightist Trumpists all, say that Trump provoked them.
Doesnt matter what they say. That they THOUGHT they were doing what Trump wanted is not evidence that Trump wanted them to do it or organized their activities.
 
I think the Democrats tried to get too much passed without the numbers in congress to accomplish that. Which goes back to one of my favorite adages, politics is the art of the possible. Then throw all the in-fighting between two different democratic factions where neither could agree with the other kind of left the congressional democrats looking inept. A 222-213 and a 50-50 tie limits which legislation can be passed. It’s not like when the ACA as passed when the Democrats had a 256-178 advantage where they could afford to let 35 democrats vote against it. Numbers can tell you what can be accomplished and what can’t.
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The only thing I have to add is I've always felt the GOP is better at presenting a unified front more than the Democrats.

I’ve been in an anti-Trump mood since he first announced his candidacy back in 2015. But that doesn’t make me an automatic Democratic voter either. I voted for Johnson in 2016, against both Trump and Clinton and then for Biden in 2020 while voting Republican in Georgia senate race and Democratic for the House. I will vote third party when I don’t like the choices given me by the major parties. None of this lesser of two evils or the least worse candidate. It’s my way of officially registering my disdain for what the two major parties had to offer.
I thought Trump was a bad idea the moment he announced his candidacy, and that's mainly because he's been a clown most of the time I've been aware of him (mid 80s). Locally, he was always a bit of a pariah, which is why many were shocked when he upended the GOP field. I completely agree with the sentiment of us having more than just the lesser of two evil options; that's not very inspiring as a voter at all.

The problem I've had with the third party vote, is it neither sends the message effectively or gets enough media attention to send the kind of protest message for parties to field better options. I guess I'm still burned when I voted for Nader.
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There should be more to happen.


The investigation is about possible roles connected to 1/6/21 carried out by Congress Critters, DJT's cabinet members, staffers, lawyers connected to DJT and family members. Oh, and DJT too.
No, its about trump. Period.
 
The riot/attack on the Capital was not planned by anyone in government. That is CT lunacy, sorry.
What remains to be seen is what level of coordination there was between the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and any one in office. To rule it out completely seems a bit odd and reeks of the desire to look the other way because it is politically convenient. The very fact you had the former president actively calling secretaries of state to find votes opens up that possibility.

You can dismiss whatever you like, but the motivation to do so is pretty clear.
 
"Person of interest" has to mean more than "Orange Man Bad".
I take it that Rep Schiff actually meant it, when he made the statement that "the DOJ should investigate Trump for possible crimes in election plot". Emphasis on the word "should".

 
What remains to be seen is what level of coordination there was between the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and any one in office. To rule it out completely seems a bit odd and reeks of the desire to look the other way because it is politically convenient. The very fact you had the former president actively calling secretaries of state to find votes opens up that possibility.

You can dismiss whatever you like, but the motivation to do so is pretty clear.
So its your belief that someone in the Trump administration (likely Trump himself) coordinated with a half dozen unarmed lunatics to overthrow the government. Do I have that right?
 
I take it that Rep Schiff actually meant it, when he made the statement that "the DOJ should investigate Trump for possible crimes in election plot". Emphasis on the word "should".

So Schiff, one of the most partisan members of congress and lead trump hater believes that the DOJ should investigate his arch nemesis for a plot that Schiff cant prove ever existed. Right. Sounds a lot like the last Schiff led witch hunt.
 
"Plot"....still laughing.

Adam Schiff is a zero credibility hood ornament.

Two failed impeachment scams......people who are falling for his hatefest must have large rings through their noses.
You haven't watched the hearings where all the evidence was from Trumps own people NOT Adam schiff.

You have No credibility.
 
You haven't watched the hearings where all the evidence was from Trumps own people NOT Adam schiff.

You have No credibility.
If you have watched, what new evidence is there of Trumps involvement in the Capital riot?
 
If you have watched, what new evidence is there of Trumps involvement in the Capital riot?
The hearing is not just about the capital riot. That is but a small part of it.

It is about the coup plot/ attempted coup of which 1/6 was a small part.

There has been tons of new evidence, from Trumps own people.

It is totally amazing to me that you people refuse to actually watch the evidence and make up your own minds, but you think you are qualified to talk about it.
 
So its your belief that someone in the Trump administration (likely Trump himself) coordinated with a half dozen unarmed lunatics to overthrow the government. Do I have that right?
It's not a question of belief, but finding out what happened considering the activities of the former administration to subvert the vote without any evidence whatsoever; a claim of fraud he made before a single vote was cast mind you. Had the former president just went about legal proceedings, failed and moved on, I'd be less inclined to think there was anything else going on. Since that wasn't the case, there is more doubt in my mind. I didn't think we'd be in a situation where we have the losing candidate staging a protest and asking the VP to not certify the results despite there being no evidence of fraud either, but here we are.

What's interesting is you don't question the idea that the only way Trump could lose was through fraud; that kind of laughable premise should be the first place to start in terms of asking questions. He made the same claim in 2016 and happily accepted the results of a supposedly fraudulent election then.
 
The hearing is not just about the capital riot. That is but a small part of it.

It is about the coup plot/ attempted coup of which 1/6 was a small part.

There has been tons of new evidence, from Trumps own people.

It is totally amazing to me that you people refuse to actually watch the evidence and make up your own minds, but you think you are qualified to talk about it.
Great. So what evidence has been put forth that trump had something to do with the Capital rioters?
 
The hearing is not just about the capital riot. That is but a small part of it.

It is about the coup plot/ attempted coup of which 1/6 was a small part.

There has been tons of new evidence, from Trumps own people.

It is totally amazing to me that you people refuse to actually watch the evidence and make up your own minds, but you think you are qualified to talk about it.
Apparently it just isn't true because it isn't, which is at least consistent rationale since some seem to be happy to accept the idea the only way Trump could have lost was through fraud. So in one breath some posters are asking how we can accept the possibility of government officials coordinating with violent groups without evidence, and in the other they accept the premise the only way Trump could lose is through unproven election fraud.
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