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It's only controversial when people take it personally instead of treating it like a factual social phenomenon.
When will people realize that reality has nothing to do with what you "believe."
It has to do with what is. And white privilege is
- and isn't negated by upper class privilege no matter how hard people try to claim that it is.
White privilege exists in 2013, period, just as male privilege, straight privilege and class privilege exist. If experience and reason don't illustrate that for you, then there is enough research on the subject for you to inform yourself. Do you need sources?As soon as people who think they know everything realizes it's no longer the 1950's.
It has to do with what was but you seem to "believe" it still is.
Who said anything was negated. It does not exist as I said the 9150's are gone. Why don't you join us in 2013.
White privilege exists in 2013, period, just as male privilege, straight privilege and class privilege exist. If experience and reason don't illustrate that for you, then there is enough research on the subject for you to inform yourself. Do you need sources?
The reality of white privilege isn't taught enough in schools as it is - in fact, it's barely, if at all, referenced in schools. I know I didn't read about it specifically until AFTER college. From the comments in this thread, it's pretty obvious to me that 1) a lot people don't know what white privilege actually is (i.e. they think it means all white people are rich), and 2) a lot of people are hopelessly ignorant of how prevalent white privilege is. I would strongly support efforts to educate people from a young age about it. Education is always a good thing.Its controversial when you decide that you want to start teaching it in schools and use it as essentially a permanent race card.
The longer blacks keep convincing themselves that the other races have advantages over them the longer they'll remain at the bottom of the pack with respect to academic and income levels, similar to how a white guy who dwells on blacks having bigger dicks on average is going to miss out on some action.
The reality of white privilege isn't taught enough in schools as it is - in fact, it's barely, if at all, referenced in schools. I know I didn't read about it specifically until AFTER college. From the comments in this thread, it's pretty obvious to me that 1) a lot people don't know what white privilege actually is (i.e. they think it means all white people are rich), and 2) a lot of people are hopelessly ignorant of how prevalent white privilege is. I would strongly support efforts to educate people from a young age about it. Education is always a good thing.
Lol... Nazi makes thread, the usual critters come out from under the floor to complain about how they haven't benefited from white privilege as if it's some kind of VISA you get simply for being born white.
White privilege has nothing to do with "white guilt." It's about the advantages "whiteness" provides in a society historically and currently dominated by white people. In fact, "white guilt" would probably get in the way of an honest discussion of the undeniable reality of white privilege. Can you please stick to the topic and not veer off into red herrings?No I don't need sources that some of it exists. It is not however institutionalized or accepted. I have more experience than you do and I can honestly say it's all about money now, and almost has nothing at all to do with race. You need to do your own research and stop playing the white guilt race card. It would help for starters.
This is a very incomplete list of sources, but it's good for beginners.I can show even more sources saying the exact and polar opposite form non biased sources. So yes, post them.
The fact that whites are a majority is a contributing factor to the reality of white privilege, yes. However, it's mostly about the fact that whites have historically and currently dominated power structures in American society and thus, tend to have advantages because of that. I mean, racial discrimination doesn't exist unless someone has the privilege of not being discriminated against.You are mistaken on a few things here...
No one said it is the same as having money or that all white people are rich. Please point out someone who said that nonsense. We know exactly what it is and people like you (liberals) think it exist because whites are the majority plain and simple.
Posted.So please start posting the sources so I can tear them down.
White privilege has nothing to do with "white guilt." It's about the advantages "whiteness" provides in a society historically and currently dominated by white people. In fact, "white guilt" would probably get in the way of an honest discussion of the undeniable reality of white privilege. Can you please stick to the topic and not veer off into red herrings?
This is a very incomplete list of sources, but it's good for beginners.
White privilege as it pertains to:
Wealth
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1400/1418_ch1.pdf
http://www.brandeis.edu/provost/div...The_Hidden_Cost_of_Being_African_American.pdf
Police/Justice System
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp02.pdf
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/3ae6a86f4.pdf
Employment/Housing/Credit/Income
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/pdf/bertrand.pdf
http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/annualreview_discrimination.pdf
National Report Card on Discrimination in America: The Role of Testing
Income gap persists among racial groups : William M. Hartnett
Education
http://www.edtrust.org/sites/edtrust.org/files/publications/files/FundingGap2005.pdf
The Stealth Inequities of School Funding | Center for American Progress
http://www.schoolfundingfairness.org/National_Report_Card.pdf
http://bsdweb.bsdvt.org/district/EquityExcellence/Research/Why_Segreg_Matters.pdf
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411785_equal_revenues.pdf
Societal prejudice
Racial prejudice in US worsened during Obama's first term, study shows | World news | guardian.co.uk
Study: Racist Attitudes Are Still Ingrained - TIME
Psychological effects of prejudice
Perceived Racism May Impact Black Americans' Mental Health
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/dev443787.pdf
http://www.cas.usf.edu/~salomon/Mat...gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
The effects of discrimination could last a lifetime
White privilege has nothing to do with "white guilt." It's about the advantages "whiteness" provides in a society historically and currently dominated by white people. In fact, "white guilt" would probably get in the way of an honest discussion of the undeniable reality of white privilege. Can you please stick to the topic and not veer off into red herrings?
This is a very incomplete list of sources, but it's good for beginners.
White privilege as it pertains to:
Wealth
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1400/1418_ch1.pdf<===Book and opinion piece. No sources just opinion.
http://www.brandeis.edu/provost/div...The_Hidden_Cost_of_Being_African_American.pdf<---This actually backs what I have been saying, lol.
Police/Justice System
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp02.pdf<---Minority's commit more crime. No surprises here. What does this have to do with privilege?
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/3ae6a86f4.pdf<---Again this supports what I have been saying. The disparity is more about being able to afford a good lawyer than anything else. Please drug crime is more prevalent in the black community. This has nothing at all to do with white privilege. I agree a disparity in sentencing exists, but this again is about money.
Employment/Housing/Credit/Income
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/pdf/bertrand.pdf<--- 5.11% disparity. Wow, yea considering blacks make up 13% of the population that sounds about right. In the end it turned out to be less than 4% difference. I am sorry that is far from some kind of privilege when you add in affirmative action etc.
http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/annualreview_discrimination.pdf
National Report Card on Discrimination in America: The Role of Testing
Income gap persists among racial groups : William M. Hartnett
Education
http://www.edtrust.org/sites/edtrust.org/files/publications/files/FundingGap2005.pdf
The Stealth Inequities of School Funding | Center for American Progress
http://www.schoolfundingfairness.org/National_Report_Card.pdf
http://bsdweb.bsdvt.org/district/EquityExcellence/Research/Why_Segreg_Matters.pdf
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411785_equal_revenues.pdf
Societal prejudice
Racial prejudice in US worsened during Obama's first term, study shows | World news | guardian.co.uk
Study: Racist Attitudes Are Still Ingrained - TIME
Psychological effects of prejudice
Perceived Racism May Impact Black Americans' Mental Health
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/dev443787.pdf
http://www.cas.usf.edu/~salomon/Mat...gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
The effects of discrimination could last a lifetime
The fact that whites are a majority is a contributing factor to the reality of white privilege, yes. However, it's mostly about the fact that whites have historically and currently dominated power structures in American society and thus, tend to have advantages because of that. I mean, racial discrimination doesn't exist unless someone has the privilege of not being discriminated against.
I also don't know why you're making this a "liberal vs. conservative" issue. White privilege is a societal issue. Let's try to keep partisanship out of this and stay on topic.
Because, I'm showing your how other cultures have influenced the "white" culture that you criticize so heavily.
And what do you mean by white? What heritage do you consider white? I'm willing to bet, you'll say Western European.
It's not a "white" culture, its an "American culture."
Point being, you're criticizing us against a nonexistent standard.
You're saying that America should remain fragmented with completely separate and different cultures.
What I'm saying, is that it is an organic process where the "dominant" culture adopts some aspects of the integrating culture, and the integrating culture adopts some aspects of the "dominant" culture.
The fact is, America is the most culturally diverse country in the world
even if we aren't 100% perfect.
It's only controversial when people take it personally instead of treating it like a factual social phenomenon.
If someone takes offense to the discussion of white privilege, that's entirely on them. They are clearly insecure in their own racial identity. Basically, they are no different than a black man who thinks that comparing something to a black hole is racist.
Racial identity? My race is human - the human race. There is no other race...just people with different physical characteristics that some people insist actually makes one individual different from another on a non-superficial basis...which is of course nonsense.
It's not liberals vs conservatives. It's liberals vs a well educated and successful black man who is sick of the excuses.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I told Black Manta that "white guilt" could hinder honest discussions of white privilege. People who feel guilty about being white are insecure about their racial identity and its implications. That alone could lead to complete denial of white privilege or an exaggeration of how much privilege there is in order to cope with that insecurity. In short, it's not a good look.If someone takes offense to the discussion of white privilege, that's entirely on them. They are clearly insecure in their own racial identity. Basically, they are no different than a black man who thinks that comparing something to a black hole is racist.
Race is a social construct that exists. Denying it's existence as a social construct doesn't add anything to the discussion at all.
And imparting non-superficial stereotypes to people strictly on the basis of superficial tendencies adds nothing to humanity.
To claim someone is in a different 'race' just because they have more or less melanin in their skin is ignorant in the extremis.
You said that you were going to "tear apart" my sources. All you've done is give your unsubstantiated opinions on the subjects I put in bold while I provided you with ample research that you clearly haven't examined. All of the research I provided you handles your response so whenever you feel like being less ignorant, you should read them. But I'm sure as hell not about to go through all of your lazy, unsubstantiated opinions after I went through the trouble of getting you genuine research only to have you not even attempt to seriously consider it. I will, however, address one of your points though because it amuses me.The only beginner here is you my friend...
I am not even going through the rest as they have literally nothing to do with any kind of white privilege.
What does the "Psychological effects of prejudice" have to do with white privilege?
Employment and education are easy, has nothing to do with white anything. A majority of blacks go to school in poorer neighborhoods. Less tax base, lower quality teachers, lower quality education, higher drop out rates. Now lets add in drugs, gangs etc and you have a whole list of why it has nothing to do with any kind of white privilege. Again, it's about money. Most of your sources say the same damn thing.
So as soon as you come up with something better and read your own links.
I bid you good day.
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