I don't really know if I think there is "white privilege" or not. It's hard to quantify something like that. But I absolutely disagree with your conclusion here. Having successful people and unsuccessful people of each group does not prove there is no such thing as white privilege. Pointing to one example of a successful black person or an unsuccessful white person absolutely does not negate the idea that in general white people have an inherent advantage in society. Again, I don't know if I believe that's the case, but pointing out one or two CEO's of color and declaring that conclusively proves "white privilege" doesn't exist seems ridiculous to me.
Yes there is white privilege, it's fairly obvious. There is also male privilege, hetero privilege, cis-gendered privilege, and yes they do exist. Apart of the privilege is not seeing that there is a privilege, because one is shielded from the negative aspects because of said privilege.
So white male heterosexuals are to blame for your failure? :roll:
The term "white privilege" is a racist one. Its only motive is to make white people feel guilty about being white. To hate themselves for being white. To expect people to take on the burden of guilt for actions and deeds that most not only had no part in, but quite probably were fellow victims is appalling.
1. It's not entirely true that going into Asian or black areas (within the United States, at least) leads to Asian privilege. For example, within many black neighborhoods in the United States, white privilege still trumps anything that could be considered "white privilege." In fact, many of the people in such neighborhoods still treat white people as if they are more "worthy" of respect than other black people simply because they've internalized the prejudice they grew up with. Moreover, white people often own the most significant businesses in the area, control the government that dictates policies in their area, dominates the media that portrays them as less than and so on.Harry probably has the best post of the thread thus far.
Yes, it exists to a certain degree in so much as the notion of "white" is the generalized "default". This isn't inherently a "bad" or "evil" thing but rather a typical cultural human thing. Go into an area where the predominent race is asian and there will be asian privledge. Go into an area where the predominent race is black and there will be black privledge. This is because human nature says that whatever is the most common thing one experiences on a routine basis will be what's set to "default" in ones head unless there's some other strong factor to alter that.
No, there does not need to be an exceedingly strong endevour to "correct" for it at this point. There's a difference between an active and passive notion of privledge. In the past in this country, the notion was absolutely active...there were proactive laws, regulations, and unspoken societal agreements aimed specifically at stifling those that were not white. This warranted significant action to attept to combat and change; those things both being necessary for any real success. You can't just fight against it, you must change the culture. And by and large, the later has happened. However, as the amount of active privledge reduces so to does the amount of active combative actions need to decrease as well lest you create a situation of blowback. There comes a time where people believe there is a fight and battle going on largely because you're still telling them they need to be fighting and battling...and for no other reason.
We're not entirely to a point where all forms of corrective action needs to be removed or ended. There's still teaching needing to be done and there's still some who seek and push for an active notion of it. But that point moves ever closer, but is stifled by the refusal by many to realistically acknolwedge it nor the progress that's been made.
1. It's not entirely true that going into Asian or black areas (within the United States, at least) leads to Asian privilege. For example, within many black neighborhoods in the United States, white privilege still trumps anything that could be considered "white privilege." In fact, many of the people in such neighborhoods still treat white people as if they are more "worthy" of respect than other black people simply because they've internalized the prejudice they grew up with. Moreover, white people often own the most significant businesses in the area, control the government that dictates policies in their area, dominates the media that portrays them as less than and so on.
2. It's easy for a white heterosexual male to say "no, there doesn't need to be an exceedingly strong endeavor to correct for white privilege," don't you think? I mean, why does there need to be a strong endeavor to correct inequality that doesn't have noticeably negative effects on your life and that perpetuates the historical inequality that people like you have faced for centuries?
3. The fact that you think that "by and large" the culture has changed illustrates the very white privilege that is the topic of this thread as being white allows you to not see the negative ramifications of the privilege you likely benefit from. What has changed are blatant displays of racism and discrimination in law, in speech and in other aspects of society. And while discrimination is certainly lower than it was in the past, the culture that "white privilege" creates has certainly not been "by and large" changed. White people - white people who don't acknowledge current extent of white privilege and its effects on non-whites - still dominate government, media, education and most of society.
4. If you or anyone else "believes there is a fight and battle going on largely because you're still telling them they need to be fighting and battling...and for no other reason," then that is your problem not the problem of the people talking about the "fight". As a result, you should educate yourself. (And this isn't even meant to be snarky, just to the point.)
5. There little to no people in this country who refuse to acknowledge the "progress that's been made."
This post is so ignorant. A white man applying for scholarships is not "disadvantaged" by scholarships for blacks, women and whoever else. Those scholarships are there to give blacks, women, etc. a chance to compete with white men - to compete with the advantage that being a white male has historically held in society.
Riiiiight.
That's why 'white' men make about 40% more then women and about 25-30% more then 'black' men...because they have it soooo rough.
Personal income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"White privilege (or white skin privilege) refers to what some individuals perceive as advantages that white people enjoy in certain societies beyond those commonly experienced by people of color in the same social, political, or economic spaces (nation, community, workplace, income, etc). The controversial term connotes both obvious and less obvious unspoken advantages that white individuals may not recognize they have. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; greater presumed social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal. It can be compared and/or combined with the concept of male privilege. Does this still exist? If so, should it be corrected and fought against?
Typical load of crap that I've come to expect of you. When you are systematically eliminated from applying to a scholarship based on race or sex, you are at a complete disadvantage. Conversely, I have NEVER...not once...seen a scholarship open to ONLY white males. A general scholarship is open to both sexes, all races, all nationalities, religions, etc. I just think it's comical how you think that any scholarship not specifically set aside for a minority is going to go de facto to a white male.
I honestly can't tell if you're a WRA or just some minority who's upset that everything is not given to her. Doesn't change the absurdity of your opinion either way.
The fact that something like Affirmative Action exists is proof that black people are(were?) at enough of a disadvantage that it would be proposed in the first place.
No it isn't. It is just proof of politicians wanting to lure the black or other minoirty voters by catering to them.
Yes, that's it. Because at no point were black people on a lower rung of the ladder than white people.
I swear, in the minds of some of you people there's this idea that at the end of the civil war black people were instantly raised to equal status with everybody else.
Are you kidding? If anything, I'm at a DISadvantage today as a white male.
Revoke Affirmative Action and actually judge men by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. And quit giving women everything they want.
Oh my. Well, that settles it. Each race is a hive mind and it is a completely collective entity. This is what is wrong with you people, you communists, you put everything in groups. You bunch them all together and draw stupid conclusions. And I am using the word communist correctly here. Progressive means to actually progress in civic duty and nationhood, not be a backwards collectivist. You shame that word, like many others, but that's besides the point.
Look here. Affirmative action is a racist joke, made by people who decided that they can grasp political votes on public taxpayer funds. And they can. And they do. And you all fall for it like its candy. It isn't candy, its sh!t. And it contributes more and more to racism and bigotry, the unhealthy kind, and makes everybody filled with paranoia and stupidity. Stop it. The real success stories in the black community didn't come from affirmative action. It came from the private companies and corporations and private initiatives. Not government programs.
Out of curiosity, when do you think racism in any significant form came to an end?
... Oh boy. Well, based on what definition and in what capacity of racism are we talking about?
Institutional racism? It's alive and kicking. Affirmative action is the love child of racism. Only the political correct term for that is positive discrimination. But don't be fooled by the rhetoric, it is racism. The bad kind. The worst kind actually because it is hypocritical.
What else...
Racism on an inter-personal level? I doubt you can ever, under current circumstances, get rid of people who hate other races just because. You have racist people and supremacists on all sides of the skin color. Whites, asians, indians, jews, arabs, blacks and what naught. Just in the US, look how many racist groups there that promote racism on an inter-personal and institutional level. Westboro baptist, Black Panther party, KKK, NAACP, AIPAC, etc.
What else...
Ah, fake racism. this will always exist. This is the kind of racism idiots pass off as racism. Its the most common form of racism and it is there because racism is not really a well-defined concept and everybody abuses that word worse than a holywood abuses their remakes of movies. And it is found everyday. Most of the people that say that they see racism everyday, mean this kind of racism. This fake, non-substantial, full of crap, I'm holier than thou racism. Which isn't really racism at all. It is just... part of awkward experiences people have in their everyday lives because everybody is different.
Are you kidding? If anything, I'm at a DISadvantage today as a white male.
Revoke Affirmative Action and actually judge men by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. And quit giving women everything they want.
factual AA/EO has nothing to do with racism at all.
Now there are people/orgs that have racist policies and then they label it AA/EO but that doesnt make it true at all.
I can punch you in the mouth and call it love all i want that doesnt make it so.
1.)Why isn't it racist? It is aimed at racial groups exclusively while disconsidering other groups entirely. And, all the racial groups have to chip in for things they don't get back because of that program. It seems pretty racist from where I'm standing.
2.)And your example is stupid. First off, you can call it whatever you want, from where I'm standing, I will know that it isn't love. And you will suffer the immediate consequences of your actions. But this is because we are private individuals. You can't do that with the government. And you can't have a government that is supported by (and should represent) all people and have racial programs for some people. It just doesn't work that way.
3.)Surprisingly, you can be a politician. You can do bad stuff and call it a positive word. That also makes you an hypocrite. And it is exactly what the political class and other "social leaders" have done. They replaced racism with "positive discrimination". It's just a joke. And the bad part is, that you, the citizen, are the one they are laughing at.
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