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Does Trumpism meet the definition of a cult?

Does Trumpism meet the definition of a cult?

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Instead of trying to parse out definitions, please spell out what you think Trump was talking about with Venezuela and Cuba and why that would be any more peaceful than anything Bolton was advocating towards other countries during the Trump admin. I don't care about whatever you consider to be a "hawk", I'm trying to understand why you think there is a genuine policy difference between Bolton and Trump during his admin that is bigger than which countries should be preemptively bombed.

Trump advocates free and fair elections in Cuba and Venezuela. That is differentiated from neo-Conservatism for its lack of US clandestine subversive measures in Cuba and Venezuela and overt military involvement.

Now you're using the term, neo-con, without specifically naming policies. Trump wanted regime change in Venezuela and was more interested in military intervention than Bolton. I would say he out neo-conned Bolton on that front.

Trump wanted free and fair elections in Venezuela. That isn't neo-conservative. To define it as you have would require us to accept democracy as "regime change".

Perhaps you could boil it down to simple pettiness on Bolton's part. If this was a one-off, then I suppose that narrative, based on some unprovable notions of what's going on inside of Bolton's head, would at least be tenable. But this is part of a clear and consistent pattern - anyone who calls out Trump is branded a liar and cast out. And it's not like ever see proof that these people lied, just aspersions thrown on their character and motivations dreampt up. This is justifiably comparable to cultish behavior of treating anyone who second guesses the leader as a heretic (not literally the same, but the fervor and lack eagerness to turn on any challengers is very similar).

Your are punching strawmen. The statements by the ex-Trump officials who had a beef with him all had the same MO of being fired, and their complaints were all basically that Trump didn't take their side on various issues, which their own personal narcissism painted as "dictatorial" ... which again is the role of the Chief Executive with regard to their cabinet.

It's also worth pointing out that his detractors were all fired, and they all made money from the various media outlets and publishing houses paying millions for Trump tell-alls.

Ultimately, it comes back to the idea that Trumpism isn't about policy, it's about loyalty to Trump. It doesn't matter whether regime change is a justified use of American resources, whether it's right to preemptively bomb a country, it's simply whether not Trump wants to do those things.

He wasn't seeking regime change in Cuba or Venezuela, he was calling on free and fair elections.

So if Trump threatened to bomb North Korea it wouldn't be ok in your book? In terms of characterizing a more peaceful policy towards any nation, what is the difference between bombing North Korea and bombing Iran?

If Trump "threatened" to retaliate against a North Korean attack that is OK, and should be expected. If he wants to pre-emptively bomb North Korea it isn't OK.

I have a feeling that the story you wanted to spring on me with this trap question is the former, not the latter.

As a matter of fact, as has already been discussed, John Bolton was more of a hawk with North Korea than Trump was, and it was one of Bolton's biggest complaints.
 
As I stated, I don't cast Obama standing up to refute lies about him "divisiveness" The news media covers what Trump does.

You have started your argument with a repeat of a lie, so we are done.

The full context of Obama's statement is in the video provided. He wasn't calling on them to refute questions of his citizenship, or his wife. He wanted his followers to start fights over federal policy on healthcare, etc.

Why do you lie so readily about things so easily refuted?
 
You have started your argument with a repeat of a lie, so we are done.

The full context of Obama's statement is in the video provided. He wasn't calling on them to refute questions of his citizenship, or his wife. He wanted his followers to start fights over federal policy on healthcare, etc.

Why do you lie so readily about things so easily refuted?
He specifically called on them to dispute lies, and to discuss and argue (he did not use the words "start fights") policies such as healthcare and taxes. The other "lies" I mentioned were routinely floated at the time of this speech, so "ambassadors" might discuss those also when discussing the election.

It is interesting that you are the rare Trumper to be a defender of the Bush Administration....whose policies were the basis of this speech (1 1/2 minutes of it provided by your clip)

Why do you get so locked into your version of truth? This was hardly "divisive"...much more like a pep talk a coach might give at half time.

I'll be glad to agree, we are done. You hear what you wish to hear.
 
He specifically called on them to dispute lies, and to discuss and argue (he did not use the words "start fights") policies such as healthcare and taxes. The other "lies" I mentioned were routinely floated at the time of this speech, so "ambassadors" might discuss those also when discussing the election.

Again, you repeat the lie. He was telling them to argue with friends and family to "make the case" for him on policy issues, nothing about your stupid list of things you said he wanted them to fight about.
 
Again, you repeat the lie. He was telling them to argue with friends and family to "make the case" for him on policy issues, nothing about your stupid list of things you said he wanted them to fight about.
I guess it is too much of a stretch for you to realize that as an "ambassador" touting Obama's case for the need for healthcare, and for fair taxes, that other issues might come up? He was recruiting campaign workers...for telephone calls and generally speaking the message...pep talk.

I notice you skip most of my questions to endlessly repeat the same stupid point.
 
I guess it is too much of a stretch for you to realize that as an "ambassador" touting Obama's case for the need for healthcare, and for fair taxes, that other issues might come up? He was recruiting campaign workers...for telephone calls and generally speaking the message...pep talk.

I notice you skip most of my questions to endlessly repeat the same stupid point.

HAHA!! How many "ambassadors" do you think are sent out with the express instructions to get in the faces of friends and start fights?

Boy I tell you, your displayed ability to delude yourself is impressive.
 
Trump advocates free and fair elections in Cuba and Venezuela. That is differentiated from neo-Conservatism for its lack of US clandestine subversive measures in Cuba and Venezuela and overt military involvement.
Almost every pacifist wants free and fair elections as do neo-cons. Even Maduro probably claims he wants free and fair elections in Venezuela. This is a broad statement of end goals, not a policy. When Bolton isn't advocating for military involvement in Venezuela, I don't see how you're drawing any contrast here between Trump and neo-conservatism.

Trump claimed that his policy on Venezuela was "stronger" than Bolton's. You seem to have clear ideas about what that means, yet I'm not seeing a clear explanation. Now, it seems like you think he has a very passive approach to Venezuela where he does nothing more than call for free elections.

How is Trump's policy on Venezuela "stronger" than Bolton's?

Your are punching strawmen.
I'm not sure what you mean about strawmen, because nothing in your reply seems to create any distance between your views and the ones I characterized. Namely anyone who criticizes Trump is simply dismissed based on speculation around their motivations.
The statements by the ex-Trump officials who had a beef with him all had the same MO of being fired, and their complaints were all basically that Trump didn't take their side on various issues, which their own personal narcissism painted as "dictatorial" ... which again is the role of the Chief Executive with regard to their cabinet.

It's also worth pointing out that his detractors were all fired, and they all made money from the various media outlets and publishing houses paying millions for Trump tell-alls.
Trump has a habit of claiming he's fired people when the people say that they've resigned. And of course, he couldn't fire Pence. Some of them saw him as a threat to democracy and some of them simply saw him as unfit for office. Bolton talked about Trump's interest in a third term (something that even Trump doesn't deny at this point) but also said Trump "doesn't have the brains" to be a dictator.

So why do you think Trump kept hiring liars who put the own interests in front of their countries? And why does Trump seem like the only President capable of hiring so many narcissistic liars?

If Trump "threatened" to retaliate against a North Korean attack that is OK, and should be expected. If he wants to pre-emptively bomb North Korea it isn't OK.

I have a feeling that the story you wanted to spring on me with this trap question is the former, not the latter.

As a matter of fact, as has already been discussed, John Bolton was more of a hawk with North Korea than Trump was, and it was one of Bolton's biggest complaints.
So, does that mean you think Trump is making empty threats against Iran and has no actual willingness to follow through? To be clear, his threats against Iran are not a warning of retaliation but of striking preemptively.
 
HAHA!! How many "ambassadors" do you think are sent out with the express instructions to get in the faces of friends and start fights?

Boy I tell you, your displayed ability to delude yourself is impressive.
You hear what you want to hear. To Discuss....Argue...Policy is NOT divisive.

Are all the idiots in red hats "ambassadors"? or just cult members?

If you have an impressive ability, I haven't noticed it yet..
 
Trumpism = Americanism
a change from their Globalism.

Trumpism is about the Constitution and The Bill of Rights


And if just refusing a court ruling etc. etc. take it to Constitutional checks & balances.
Remember President Jackson enforcing the Indian Removal Act while the Supreme Court ruled for the Indians.
A president ignoring a court ruling goes way back.
 
Trumpism = Americanism
Lol.

trumpism is unamerican. Trump is the worst president in History even according to Republican historians.

Trumpism is about the Constitution and The Bill of Rights
Trump is assaulting the constitution and bill of rights in unprecedented fashon.
And if just refusing a court ruling :blahblah:, take it to Constitutional checks & balances.
The court is one of the checks.

Maybe take a civics class .
 
The same could be said for the extreme anti-Trumps and his supporters to be fair.

That said, the term.cult of personality is just another disparagement to level those whose politics we don’t tolerate.
That makes no sense at all.
 
The same could be said for the extreme anti-Trumps and his supporters to be fair.

That said, the term.cult of personality is just another disparagement to level those whose politics we don’t tolerate.
Completely wrong
Your post shows no understanding of the subject at all. Honest
 
Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
I have ananswered question...Why did democrats and the MSM cover up Biden decline>
Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions
Was the Biden coverup a conspiracy and attempted persecution of Trump just a conspiracy?
A belief that the leader is right at all times
Well we now know your leader wasn't right half the time.
A belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or giving validation
How was there truth in the Biden administration when he didn't even know what was going on most of the time?
But whatabout Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, BLM, DEI, transgenders, woke culture?
What about them?
 
A cult might sacrifice the unborn as a pagen offering to the point of having mobile slaughter houses to perform abortions at its national conventions. A cult member might post a picture of her unborn baby on her way to have it killed. A cult might sexually mutilate girls and boys rendering them infertile for a lifetime and permanently scared. A cult might have men dressed as women dancing and reading to children. A cult member might pretend to be a different gender and force all that come in contact to participate in that charade. A cult might believe that mankind can control the climate.

It is understandable that a cult might want to project cult status to MAGA.
A cult may place the head of their idol and place it on the body of Rocky, or think that their idol is some war hero, or a fire fighter, or a cowboy.
A cult may make a sculpture of their idol in butter, or other items.
A cult wears ear diapers when their idol gets a scrape on his ear.
A cult reverses the notion to pass a bipartisan bill simply because their idol told them to shut it down.
A cult makes sure to let everyone know they are a cult follower - wear MAGA hat, have Trump flags (multiple) in front yard or on vehicle. Anything to show the world they believe everything their idol says and does.
 
You have started your argument with a repeat of a lie, so we are done.
Yep.
The full context of Obama's statement is in the video provided. He wasn't calling on them to refute questions of his citizenship, or his wife. He wanted his followers to start fights over federal policy on healthcare, etc.
On Thanksgiving Day with family members no less.
Why do you lie so readily about things so easily refuted?
 
No, I hear what he actually said. You are making excuses based on things he didn't say.
No, you hear what you want to hear...

“We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Want to translate that ? I've heard several versions...lol.

Obama was not being divisive. He was rallying his supporters to discuss, even argue, policies.
 
Yep.

On Thanksgiving Day with family members no less.
It seems you have found new coattails...

Just to clarify, Obama never mentioned Thanksgiving.. That was Donald Trump Jr. who offered a prize for best triggering a lib (and record it) on Thanksgiving.
 
A cult may place the head of their idol and place it on the body of Rocky, or think that their idol is some war hero, or a fire fighter, or a cowboy.
A cult may make a sculpture of their idol in butter, or other items.
A cult wears ear diapers when their idol gets a scrape on his ear.
A cult reverses the notion to pass a bipartisan bill simply because their idol told them to shut it down.
A cult makes sure to let everyone know they are a cult follower - wear MAGA hat, have Trump flags (multiple) in front yard or on vehicle. Anything to show the world they believe everything their idol says and does.
When I got down to wearing a diaper I was sure you were talking about Biden..my bad.
 
When I got down to wearing a diaper I was sure you were talking about Biden..my bad.
I see that you couldn't disprove any of what I wrote, so you defaulted to what MAGA do - make claims that they cannot prove, but assume.
 
A cult may place the head of their idol and place it on the body of Rocky, or think that their idol is some war hero, or a fire fighter, or a cowboy.
A cult may make a sculpture of their idol in butter, or other items.
A cult wears ear diapers when their idol gets a scrape on his ear.
A cult reverses the notion to pass a bipartisan bill simply because their idol told them to shut it down.
A cult makes sure to let everyone know they are a cult follower - wear MAGA hat, have Trump flags (multiple) in front yard or on vehicle. Anything to show the world they believe everything their idol says and does.
Your projection is weak.

Did you notice the relative lack of acknowledgement to the so called pride month? Corporate logos were all rainbows in 2024. The White House was a lit rainbow last year. Red white an blue for the 4th of July replacing Trans children wear at Target for summer 2025. The America First "cult" is winning the culture war.
 
Your projection is weak.
I noticed you couldn't disagree with anything I posted.
All of what I posted is out in the open for all to see.

Did you notice the relative lack of acknowledgement to the so called pride month? Corporate logos were all rainbows in 2024. The White House was a lit rainbow last year. Red white an blue for the 4th of July replacing Trans children wear at Target for summer 2025. The America First "cult" is winning the culture war.
Many NFL teams have changed their logos to include pride flags. Many corporations are probably afraid to show pride flags because Trump admin might punish them for doing so.
Current administration won't recognize Pride Month. If it doesn't involve fake patriotism or worshipping Trump, nothing will get recognized. Plus, gay and trans people are afraid that Bondi and Patel might arrest them. MAGA has essentially made trans people feel unwelcome in the United States.
Trans wear :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: The littlest things trigger MAGA. It's hilarious.
American First - Trump cultists with their fake patriotism. Making white people great again.
 
No, but the mindless little proles who have been conditioned to see him as the sum of all their fears sure do.
He does represent my fears. Of fascism coming to the US. His support of torture and killing the families of terrorists, his relentless messages of hate are scary. TDS has meaning: Trump acts like a deranged man.

We will resist and survive, but I see the only advantage to his election last year being that we were spared his lies yet again about a rigged vote.
 
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