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Does the US Constitution allow states to write laws allowing someone else to use your body?

Does the US Constitution allow states to write laws allowing someone else to use your body?


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I posted this in another thread and haven't received a response yet, and am wondering if I'll actually get one, so I wanted to pose the question here:

In general, do you think that the Constitution permits states to write laws that essentially require one person to allow another individual unfettered use of their body? Forget the fetus for a moment, let's imagine that your neighbor across the street is in need of a kidney and doctors a few years into the future check their advanced medical database and determine you'd be a good match. Can the state require you to become a kidney donor, to help your neighbor?

Discuss.
No, because the sole reason you’re asking the question has everything to do with babies and your belief women have no obligation to their own children
 
No, because the sole reason you’re asking the question has everything to do with babies and your belief women have no obligation to their own children
They do not havevthe obligation to risk their life for them
 
No, because the sole reason you’re asking the question has everything to do with babies and your belief women have no obligation to their own children
You're confusing 'fetuses" ( bolded ) with 'babies/children.' They are not one and the same. The former have zero legal rights; the latter have every legal right as any adult has.
 
It doesn't stop women from joining and bitching if they don't get all the choice jobs, while men lay in muddy foxholes. And speaking of equality, how it only matters when it's a trans-women joining the girls' swim team?

The Pentagon wants more recruits, and women are signing up. They're not signing up to be cleaning ladies and hair stylists; they mostly want to expand their participation. If anything it has been mostly men who've been reluctant to accept women in the military.

But I'm not going to the mat on this topic - it's a thread creep.
 
I posted this in another thread and haven't received a response yet, and am wondering if I'll actually get one, so I wanted to pose the question here:

In general, do you think that the Constitution permits states to write laws that essentially require one person to allow another individual unfettered use of their body? Forget the fetus for a moment, let's imagine that your neighbor across the street is in need of a kidney and doctors a few years into the future check their advanced medical database and determine you'd be a good match. Can the state require you to become a kidney donor, to help your neighbor?

Discuss.
Let me correct your question for you and perhaps it will help everything make sense.

"Does the US Constitution allow states to write laws to prevent you from killing another person?"
 
Let me correct your question for you and perhaps it will help everything make sense.

"Does the US Constitution allow states to write laws to prevent you from killing another person?"

Sure. Is a zygote in a petri dish a person?

Maybe we can enroll fetuses in CCW classes and give them a 9mm so they can stand their ground. :rolleyes:
 
I posted this in another thread and haven't received a response yet, and am wondering if I'll actually get one, so I wanted to pose the question here:

In general, do you think that the Constitution permits states to write laws that essentially require one person to allow another individual unfettered use of their body? Forget the fetus for a moment, let's imagine that your neighbor across the street is in need of a kidney and doctors a few years into the future check their advanced medical database and determine you'd be a good match. Can the state require you to become a kidney donor, to help your neighbor?

Discuss.
Yes. States criminalize behavior and are empowered to take possession of and incarcerate, under panopticon and fully regulated conditions, a human person, assigning them guards and wardens who have absolute control over that incarcerated person, including even if they sleep or eat, can be treated for illness, or have human contact, and largely without recourse to remedy.
 
Uh no. You were required to work as a slave
How so?

I mean the choices are basically the same - work or die. I at least have my freedom - that's better than what you guys gave to the people you enslaved.
 
How so?

I mean the choices are basically the same - work or die. I at least have my freedom - so a little better than what you guys gave to the people you enslaved.
Well they could kill you or beat you for not working


Can they do that now?
 
Yes. States criminalize behavior and are empowered to take possession of and incarcerate, under panopticon and fully regulated conditions, a human person, assigning them guards and wardens who have absolute control over that incarcerated person, including even if they sleep or eat, can be treated for illness, or have human contact, and largely without recourse to remedy.

Assuming there's due process of law.
 
The Pentagon wants more recruits, and women are signing up. They're not signing up to be cleaning ladies and hair stylists; they mostly want to expand their participation. If anything it has been mostly men who've been reluctant to accept women in the military.

But I'm not going to the mat on this topic - it's a thread creep.
You know why? It's about trust. That's beside the point I was making. The laws are not equal.
 
Well, technically the Constitution once did contain sections allowing States with Slavery certain rights to do so (see Article IV Section 2 paragraph 3); to count Slaves as three-fifths of a person for Taxation and Representation (see Article I, Section 2 Paragraph 3).

However, while the 13th Amendment generally abolished slavery it still allowed "involuntary servitude, ...as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted." That permitted prison labor (chain gangs), and still allows prisons to compel inmates to work.


So, even today the answer is "yes, under certain specific circumstances."

Of course, despite the OP's "forget the fetus for a moment" attempt to pretend this poll isn't really about abortion rights, it is leading to the argument that pregnancy is a form of bondage.

It is disingenuous to argue that the natural process whereby ALL human beings come into existence (including the mothers and fathers of every "inseminated ova") somehow equates to "allowing someone else to use your body." As if it is in fact "slavery" rather than an amazing biological mechanism which led to human existence itself, which is a false equivalence.

So to answer the actual underlying point; no, getting pregnant and carrying a child to term is not "allowing someone else to use your body." That is like stating everyone who can read this response exists as the result of "enslaving their mother's body."
That does not change the fact that forcing a women to risk her life bringing a fetus to term is tyranny. Add that to the fact that the U.S. has the highest maternal death rate in the western world....

In 2020, 861 women were identified as having died of maternal causes in the United States, compared with 754 in 2019 (3). The maternal mortality rate for 2020 was 23.8 deaths per 100,000 live births compared with a rate of 20.1 in 2019

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020/maternal-mortality-rates-2020.htm#:~:text=In 2020, 861 women were,20.1 in 2019 (Table).
 
A person is just a human. From a legal perspective, a law can dictate when a human is considered a person with rights.


Whatever floats your boat...
Actually only a religion can do that and we do not make laws based on religion. The Roe decision used viability outside the womb as the time the State can claim that a fetus has rights. That is the only secular metric that makes sense. We now have a SC majority that believes their religion takes precedence over secular metrics.
 
I posted this in another thread and haven't received a response yet, and am wondering if I'll actually get one, so I wanted to pose the question here:

In general, do you think that the Constitution permits states to write laws that essentially require one person to allow another individual unfettered use of their body? Forget the fetus for a moment, let's imagine that your neighbor across the street is in need of a kidney and doctors a few years into the future check their advanced medical database and determine you'd be a good match. Can the state require you to become a kidney donor, to help your neighbor?

Discuss.
Nope.
 
No. Get picked up and cannot afford bail? All still applies, sometimes lasting years.

There's still due process of law, legally, constitutionally. There are flaws in the system but due process is a requirement
 
A person is just a human. From a legal perspective, a law can dictate when a human is considered a person with rights.

Well I suppose anything is possible. Considering the Founding Fathers didn't even know what the **** a zygote was, do you think they would have given a toss if a female had taken, say, a morning after pill if one had been made available at the time?
 
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