Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

[Yes_Minister]

Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmgma4/racial-resentment-is-in-the-nras-dna-data-finds

Why is the NRA silent in cases like Philando Castile? Or what about this case?

https://www.themarysue.com/a-good-with-a-gun-killed/

How can gun rights apply to African Americans if right wingers will support militarized police when they shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun''?

Does the ''good guy with a gun'' get applied to African Americans by the NRA or Fox News or any right-wing outlet?

 

[Felis Leo]

Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmgma4/racial-resentment-is-in-the-nras-dna-data-finds

Why is the NRA silent in cases like Philando Castile? Or what about this case?

https://www.themarysue.com/a-good-with-a-gun-killed/

How can gun rights apply to African Americans if right wingers will support militarized police when they shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun''?

Does the ''good guy with a gun'' get applied to African Americans by the NRA or Fox News or any right-wing outlet?

Does the NRA support gun rights of African Americans? Well, yes, Yes_Minister. Of course they do. Because anti-gun (a.k.a. "gun control") laws in various states and municipalities affect everyone within those municipalities, whether the citizens are black, white, Hispanic, or Asian. By safeguarding gun rights broadly and supporting candidates who are anti-gun control, the NRA protects the Second Amendment rights of individual citizens of all races.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

...Why is the NRA silent in cases like Philando Castile? Or what about this case?

https://www.themarysue.com/a-good-with-a-gun-killed/

How can gun rights apply to African Americans if right wingers will support militarized police when they shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun''?

Does the ''good guy with a gun'' get applied to African Americans by the NRA or Fox News or any right-wing outlet?

Defend the rights of Black Americans?

Well...



Colion Noir is a spokesman for the NRA and he has his own vlog on YouTube. Does he speak for Black American gun owners? I think so.

As for the NRA being "silent in cases like Philando Castile?" It is not the NRA's role to virtue signal by "speaking out" on every bad use of guns, since there are multitudes of anti-gun organizations already filling that niche.

However, the NRA does advocate for law and order when arguing for the right to keep and bear arms. If someone, anyone breaks the law then the NRA would argue they face justice regardless of race, or social position, like any other law and order advocate.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Does the NRA support gun rights of African Americans? Well, yes, Yes_Minister. Of course they do. Because anti-gun (a.k.a. "gun control") laws in various states and municipalities affect everyone within those municipalities, whether the citizens are black, white, Hispanic, or Asian. By safeguarding gun rights broadly and supporting candidates who are anti-gun control, the NRA protects the Second Amendment rights of individual citizens of all races.

Then why do they do nothing for people for Philando Castile or Jemel Roberson? Why does the NRA seem indifferent to the threat the militarized police pose to African American gun owners? The NRA is a powerful part of the right-wing coalition, they could speak out against the police militarization and the way some cops use gun ownership to gun down African Americans, but they don't, because there is no money in it and they do not want to tick other powerful right-wing forces, like the police militarization movement.

Heck if the NRA is so supportive of African American gun rights, why did they support Reagan passing gun control in California in the 60s to disarm the Black Panthers?

You cannot say that everyone who wants a gun should have one and then say its justified for the cops to shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun'' without being a hypocrite.

 

[Harshaw]

Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmgma4/racial-resentment-is-in-the-nras-dna-data-finds

Why is the NRA silent in cases like Philando Castile? Or what about this case?

https://www.themarysue.com/a-good-with-a-gun-killed/

How can gun rights apply to African Americans if right wingers will support militarized police when they shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun''?

Does the ''good guy with a gun'' get applied to African Americans by the NRA or Fox News or any right-wing outlet?

This is a convoluted mess of a post, which is really just a string of non-sequiturs.

 

[Bullseye]

Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmgma4/racial-resentment-is-in-the-nras-dna-data-finds

Why is the NRA silent in cases like Philando Castile? Or what about this case?

https://www.themarysue.com/a-good-with-a-gun-killed/

How can gun rights apply to African Americans if right wingers will support militarized police when they shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun''?

Does the ''good guy with a gun'' get applied to African Americans by the NRA or Fox News or any right-wing outlet?

WTF are you talking about - do you really expect us to follow all those links and magically discern what you think is germane in each?

 

[Yes_Minister]

Defend the rights of Black Americans?

Well...



Colion Noir is a spokesman for the NRA and he has his own vlog on YouTube. Does he speak for Black American gun owners? I think so.

As for the NRA being "silent in cases like Philando Castile?" It is not the NRA's role to "speak out" on every bad use of guns since there are multitudes of anti-gun rights organizations filling that niche.

However, the NRA does advocate for law and order when arguing for the right to keep and bear arms. If someone, anyone breaks the law then the NRA would argue they face justice regardless of race, or social position, like any other law and order advocate.

So what, one African American spokesman makes everything okay now? Didn't Noir say 2 years, we needed to get all the facts before making a judgment on the Castile case, well its been two years, has he come up with a reason why the NRA is silent on this case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3j34rJytl8

He wants to blame the media, but its been 2 years, if he doesn't have the facts to make a judgment call at this point, how much is he going to bat for other African American gun onwers? Why should I care about this guy if he doesn't want to take on his organization when they decide to be selective in who these rights apply to?

And frankly there is a pattern here, the NRA almost never seems to defend African American gun rights:

https://www.themarysue.com/nra-gun-rights-racism/

If it's not the NRA's job to defend African American gun rights, then pray tell who's job? Because seems its no one's job, because the Second Amendment does not seem to apply to African Americans compared to others, so no one is going to defend their rights.

 

[Bullseye]

So what, one African American spokesman makes everything okay now? Didn't Noir say 2 years, we needed to get all the facts before making a judgment on the Castile case, well its been two years, has he come up with a reason why the NRA is silent on this case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3j34rJytl8

He wants to blame the media, but its been 2 years, if he doesn't have the facts to make a judgment call at this point, how much is he going to bat for other African American gun onwers? Why should I care about this guy if he doesn't want to take on his organization when they decide to be selective in who these rights apply to?

And frankly there is a pattern here, the NRA almost never seems to defend African American gun rights:

https://www.themarysue.com/nra-gun-rights-racism/

If it's not the NRA's job to defend African American gun rights, then pray tell who's job? Because seems its no one's job, because the Second Amendment does not seem to apply to African Americans compared to others, so no one is going to defend their rights.

WTF is Mary Sue and why should we believe anything she says?

 

[Yes_Minister]

WTF are you talking about - do you really expect us to follow all those links and magically discern what you think is germane in each?

Its a pretty simple point I am making, that the NRA does not care about the gun rights of the vast majority of African Americans and will not go to bat for them if a cop decides to shoot a black man, because he ''might'' have a gun. Those links provie examples and context, but that is my point and you bothered to read my OP you would know that.

 

[TurtleDude]

much dishonesty in the OP-its another attempt to bash the NRA. The people most hurt by Democrat party gun laws are poor honest blacks. WHY

1) Poor blacks are the most likely victims of violent crime

2) poor Blacks live-in higher proportions than most others-in areas that are infected with anti gun laws passed by Democrats

3) Poor blacks-due to finances and racism-are less likely to be able to get carry permits in areas where Democrats have made such licenses harder to get

IIRC the Plaintiffs in some of the major pro gun decisions were blacks. I believe Mr McDonald (v chicago) was.

SO when the NRA pushes for SHALL ISSUE laws, those laws tend to help blacks rather strongly

 

[Yes_Minister]

WTF is Mary Sue and why should we believe anything she says?

Okay then answer the questions, did the NRA support Reagan's gun control plans in the 60s to disarm the Black Panthers, yes or no?

Has the NRA been silent in the shootings of black gun owners like Philando Castile and Jemel Roberson?

Attacking a source is one thing, but how is that article wrong? Can you answer those above question or you will dodge and come up with an excuse not to?

 

[Yes_Minister]

much dishonesty in the OP-its another attempt to bash the NRA. The people most hurt by Democrat party gun laws are poor honest blacks. WHY

1) Poor blacks are the most likely victims of violent crime

2) poor Blacks live-in higher proportions than most others-in areas that are infected with anti gun laws passed by Democrats

3) Poor blacks-due to finances and racism-are less likely to be able to get carry permits in areas where Democrats have made such licenses harder to get

IIRC the Plaintiffs in some of the major pro gun decisions were blacks. I believe Mr McDonald (v chicago) was.

SO when the NRA pushes for SHALL ISSUE laws, those laws tend to help blacks rather strongly

Then answer these questions:

Did the NRA support Reagan's gun control plans in the 60s to disarm the Black Panthers, yes or no?

Has the NRA been silent in the police shootings of black gun owners like Philando Castile and Jemel Roberson?

How is not hypocritical to say everyone who wants a gun should have one and then say police can shoot people because ''they might have a gun''. It seems like the second amendment gives cops an excuse to shoot African Americans. I bet Castile would be alive if he did not have a gun. How often has the NRA been willing to take on police departments on this issue? I bet is not very often, I will bet its hardly ever.

 

[TurtleDude]

Then answer these questions:

Did the NRA support Reagan's gun control plans in the 60s to disarm the Black Panthers, yes or no?

Has the NRA been silent in the police shootings of black gun owners like Philando Castile or Jemel Roberson?

1) doesn't matter-what matters now is that the Democrat party is hostile to honest gun ownership and the NRA-for the most part-tries to protect such ownership.

2) Why should the NRA take sides-I though the Castile shooting was the sign of a poorly trained cop. But there is also evidence the victim had been smoking dope and might not have complied with the cop's instructions. What was the democrat party's take on that shooting-are they going to go against police unions or black constituencies or just not take sides? I remember when some factions in the NRA damned the government's heavy handed and probably illegal raids on the Davidian compound and shooting Sammy Weaver in the back and an unarmed Vicky Weaver who was holding her baby in her arms-all sorts of liberals were mute when it came to damning that sort of disgusting government action because the victims were either whacko gun hoarding nuts or worse-white separatists. Yet, when cops shot -in most cases-armed black thugs-the same lefties go bonkers and scream for the heads of the cops.

 

[Fledermaus]

Then answer these questions:

Did the NRA support Reagan's gun control plans in the 60s to disarm the Black Panthers, yes or no?

Has the NRA been silent in the police shootings of black gun owners like Philando Castile and Jemel Roberson?

How is not hypocritical to say everyone who wants a gun should have one and then say police can shoot people because ''they might have a gun''. It seems like the second amendment gives cops an excuse to shoot African Americans. I bet Castile would be alive if he did not have a gun. How often has the NRA been willing to take on police departments on this issue? I doubt often, if ever.

The 1960s are half a century ago.

Why are you asking of the present stance of the NRA while focusing on things half a century ago?

 

[TurtleDude]

The 1960s are half a century ago.

Why are you asking of the present stance of the NRA while focusing on things half a century ago?

There were Klan leaders in the Senate-Democrat Senators-50 years ago.

 

[trouble13]

Then why do they do nothing for people for Philando Castile or Jemel Roberson? Why does the NRA seem indifferent to the threat the militarized police pose to African American gun owners? The NRA is a powerful part of the right-wing coalition, they could speak out against the police militarization and the way some cops use gun ownership to gun down African Americans, but they don't, because there is no money in it and they do not want to tick other powerful right-wing forces, like the police militarization movement.

Heck if the NRA is so supportive of African American gun rights, why did they support Reagan passing gun control in California in the 60s to disarm the Black Panthers?

You cannot say that everyone who wants a gun should have one and then say its justified for the cops to shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun'' without being a hypocrite.

You're really reaching with this one.

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[Yes_Minister]

The 1960s are half a century ago.

Why are you asking of the present stance of the NRA while focusing on things half a century ago?

Because I see nothing that supports the NRA changing its position regarding gun rights and black people, if they had changed their tune they would have done something after Castile was shot by the cops for having a gun, instead of doing nothing. The past informs the present, they have not changed.

 

[Yes_Minister]

1) doesn't matter-what matters now is that the Democrat party is hostile to honest gun ownership and the NRA-for the most part-tries to protect such ownership.

2) Why should the NRA take sides-I though the Castile shooting was the sign of a poorly trained cop. But there is also evidence the victim had been smoking dope and might not have complied with the cop's instructions. What was the democrat party's take on that shooting-are they going to go against police unions or black constituencies or just not take sides? I remember when some factions in the NRA damned the government's heavy handed and probably illegal raids on the Davidian compound and shooting Sammy Weaver in the back and an unarmed Vicky Weaver who was holding her baby in her arms-all sorts of liberals were mute when it came to damning that sort of disgusting government action because the victims were either whacko gun hoarding nuts or worse-white separatists. Yet, when cops shot -in most cases-armed black thugs-the same lefties go bonkers and scream for the heads of the cops.

So did Castile commit a crime worthy of death, he might have smoked pot is an valid reason to shoot him dead?

What about Jemel Robertson, what horrible crime did he commit to get shot by the cops and why did NRA say nothing of his death?

Is the word "thug" a code word that instantly makes shootings okay now?

NRA will not take sides on stuff like Castile because African Americans not having the same gun rights is a feature, not a bug and you talking about Waco is you trying to change the topic, rather sticking to the topic. No one is going to fight for African American gun rights because this double standard is baked into the right, the NRA and the gun rights movement will never take on this double standard.

 

[dogboy49]

Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

I am a Life Member of the NRA. From my perspective, the NRA defends gun rights. To me, gun rights benefit all races. And all religions, all ethnicities, and all genders, and any other subset of humanity you might wish to mention.

Why is the NRA silent in cases like Philando Castile?

Or what about this case?

Don't know. My perception is that the NRA is silent in the vast majority of questionable police shootings, no matter who the victims are. It seems to me that the NRA focuses mostly on gun rights, and just about never on police misconduct.

How can gun rights apply to African Americans if right wingers will support militarized police when they shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun''?

So, you have discontinued the discussion about NRA, and are now talking about "right wingers"? Or are you talking about the members of the NRA who are "right wingers"?

Does the ''good guy with a gun'' get applied to African Americans by the NRA or Fox News or any right-wing outlet?

So, talking about Fox News/right-wing outlets now as well? I don't know the answer to that one. As for the NRA, have you heard them say that the "good guy with a gun" should not be applied to African Americans? I don't recall them saying that....

I repeat. Gun rights benefit everyone. I think that minority groups (like, say, African Americans) are more likely to suffer from unwarranted agression than WASPs. If there were anyone that would benefit from robust gun rights, it is minorities who wish to defend themselves from agression.

I believe you have a point that police are sometimes guilty of abusing their authority, and sometimes of killing innocents. There are plenty of organizations and news outlets that decry this heinous practice. I guess if you think the NRA should focus more of their efforts on police conduct, you can vote your conscience during the next NRA election. You are a member, right?

 

[Yes_Minister]

I am a Life Member of the NRA. From my perspective, the NRA defends gun rights. To me, gun rights benefit all races. And all religions, all ethnicities, and all genders, and any other subset of humanity you might wish to mention.





Don't know. My perception is that the NRA is silent in the vast majority of questionable police shootings, no matter who the victims are. It seems to me that the NRA focuses mostly on gun rights, and just about never on police misconduct.



So, you have discontinued the discussion about NRA, and are now talking about "right wingers"? Or are you talking about the members of the NRA who are "right wingers"?



So, talking about Fox News/right-wing outlets now as well? I don't know the answer to that one. As for the NRA, have you heard them say that the "good guy with a gun" should not be applied to African Americans? I don't recall them saying that....

I repeat. Gun rights benefit everyone. I think that minority groups (like, say, African Americans) are more likely to suffer from unwarranted agression than WASPs. If there were anyone that would benefit from robust gun rights, it is minorities who wish to defend themselves from agression.

I believe you have a point that police are sometimes guilty of abusing their authority, and sometimes of killing innocents. There are plenty of organizations and news outlets that decry this heinous practice. I guess if you think the NRA should focus more of their efforts on police conduct, you can vote your conscience during the next NRA election. You are a member, right?

You have to be a member of an organizaton criticize it now? Since when?

Also police "misconduct" is a threat to black gun owners, if the police shoot black people because they might have guns. How does gun rights apply to black people if the cops can shoot them for having guns?

I think its more then fair to discuss the NRA in the context of the larger right wing movement, because the NRA carries water for other members of the right coalition ( its one of the articles) and the NRA will not fight for gun rights of people who are disliked by Fox News or the police unions. They will never go against their allies to fight for the rights of everyone, there is no money to be made with that.

Why is Jemel Roberson not a good guy with a gun? Who was defending his rights? No one.

 

[Rucker61]

You have to be a member of an organizaton criticize it now? Since when?

Also police "misconduct" is a threat to black gun owners, if the police shoot black people because they might have guns. How does gun rights apply to black people if the cops can shoot them for having guns?

The police shoot unarmed blacks, too. It's not a black man with a gun issue; it's a cops shooting black men issue.

I think its more then fair to discuss the NRA in the context of the larger right wing movement, because the NRA carries water for other members of the right coalition ( its one of the articles) and the NRA will not fight for gun rights of people who are disliked by Fox News or the police unions. They will never go against their allies to fight for the rights of everyone, there is no money to be made with that.

Why is Jemel Roberson not a good guy with a gun? Who was defending his rights? No one.

His rights were as defended as anyone elses - no one knew that a cop would shoot him until it happened. Prior to McDonald, could he have been armed at all?

 

[OpportunityCost]

You have to be a member of an organizaton criticize it now? Since when?

Also police "misconduct" is a threat to black gun owners, if the police shoot black people because they might have guns. How does gun rights apply to black people if the cops can shoot them for having guns?

I think its more then fair to discuss the NRA in the context of the larger right wing movement, because the NRA carries water for other members of the right coalition ( its one of the articles) and the NRA will not fight for gun rights of people who are disliked by Fox News or the police unions. They will never go against their allies to fight for the rights of everyone, there is no money to be made with that.

Why is Jemel Roberson not a good guy with a gun? Who was defending his rights? No one.

The NRA doesn't involve itself in police shootings much from what I have seen. Their principle area of involvement is when the RTKBA is violated by legislation or judicial decisions.

Perhaps you could make the case for them intervening for other gun owners in similar situations, but I bet you won't try.

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[TurtleDude]

I am a Life Member of the NRA. From my perspective, the NRA defends gun rights. To me, gun rights benefit all races. And all religions, all ethnicities, and all genders, and any other subset of humanity you might wish to mention.





Don't know. My perception is that the NRA is silent in the vast majority of questionable police shootings, no matter who the victims are. It seems to me that the NRA focuses mostly on gun rights, and just about never on police misconduct.



So, you have discontinued the discussion about NRA, and are now talking about "right wingers"? Or are you talking about the members of the NRA who are "right wingers"?



So, talking about Fox News/right-wing outlets now as well? I don't know the answer to that one. As for the NRA, have you heard them say that the "good guy with a gun" should not be applied to African Americans? I don't recall them saying that....

I repeat. Gun rights benefit everyone. I think that minority groups (like, say, African Americans) are more likely to suffer from unwarranted agression than WASPs. If there were anyone that would benefit from robust gun rights, it is minorities who wish to defend themselves from agression.

I believe you have a point that police are sometimes guilty of abusing their authority, and sometimes of killing innocents. There are plenty of organizations and news outlets that decry this heinous practice. I guess if you think the NRA should focus more of their efforts on police conduct, you can vote your conscience during the next NRA election. You are a member, right?

I reviewed the prior posts of the OP-he's hard core anti NRA, anti gun rights poster. This thread was nothing more than yet another bit of evidence that the anti gun movement is political, anti conservative, not anti criminal.

 

[dogboy49]

You have to be a member of an organizaton criticize it now?

Nope. Criticize away if it makes you feel better!

However, if you actually want to change an organization that democratically elects its officers though, being a member it is probably the best way.

Also police "misconduct" is a threat to black gun owners, if the police shoot black people because they might have guns. How does gun rights apply to black people if the cops can shoot them for having guns?

Your theory, and your subsequent conclusion noted. I am not a expert, but I believe that bad cops who inappropriately shoot innocent people probably are motivated by a variety of reasons. At least some bad cops are racially motivated. And, yes, there are probably some bad cops who use inappropriate force just because they dislike the idea of citizens having guns. I think it is a bit naive to uncritically accept all the excuses that are commonly quoted, such as "...I believed my life was in danger". While true for most shootings, there are surely a few problematic shoots where the cop actually had more nefarious reasons.

Why is Jemel Roberson not a good guy with a gun?

IMO he was.

Who was defending his rights? No one.

I believe the ACLU at least has paid lip service to Jemel Roberson's case, whose Fifth Amendment rights were the ones that were abrogated. Personally, I don't see this as 2A issue. It remains to be seen how actively the ACLU moves to correct police abuses.

 

[dogboy49]

I reviewed the prior posts of the OP-he's hard core anti NRA, anti gun rights poster. This thread was nothing more than yet another bit of evidence that the anti gun movement is political, anti conservative, not anti criminal.

You may be right. I tend not to pay much attention to authors of posts, just to the ideas presented. I was feeling energized this morning so I thought I would provide rationality, and see what happens. There is always a chance that rational discussion ensues.

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