Does the Constitution guarantee a right to privacy?

[alphamale]

Believe it or not, there's quite a few of us...it's not really a far-fetched idea.

There is no right at all to privacy per se. I think a very carefully construed right to privacy would be a good addition.

 

[tryreading]

So why do you call it a right to privacy when all it is is a right to an abortion?

I'm sure you know that many (maybe most) of the people on this thread who say there is no right to privacy only maintain that opinion because of their anti-abortion stance.

 

[Stinger]

You would then be creating an illegal black market for organs.

You just don't get it do you, THAT IS PRECIESLY THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!! It probably already exist because you DON"T have the right to sell you kidney because there is no right to privacy. The government can make such private matters illegal.

To which then you could have the liklyhood of individuals that are assaulted for organs. Thus again the invasion of privacy to another person's body.

All specious and dodging the question.

Obviously you can't reconcile it with your position that there is a right to privacy.

 

[Stinger]

Ah, like there is no "right to life"?

That is for another thread this one is about the claim there is a right to privacy and the only think you can show it pretains to is abortion, so why not call a duck a duck?

Ahem, I DID answer. The right to privacy means that you can't be forced to give your bodily resources against your will. You can't be forced to give blood, even if it would save a life.

And I have said nothing, NOTHING about forcing anyone to give up a kidney have I. YOU have created that smoke screen to dodge the question. I have clearly been talking all along about a voluntary transaction between you and someone else or even another doctor to freely sell your own kidney at your own choosing. You have purposely been dishonest in your misrepresentation here.

So try again, if you have right to privacy why do you not have a right to sell a kidney because you want some extra cash?

 

[steen]

And I have said nothing, NOTHING about forcing anyone to give up a kidney have I.

You have claimed that there is no such right to privacy as to refuse the use of your bodily resources. Your lame evasions will not change the FACT that you have the right to keep your bodily resources private from Government mandates.

I have clearly been talking all along about a voluntary transaction between you and someone else or even another doctor to freely sell your own kidney at your own choosing.

Which is a commerce issue, not a privacy issue. Keep on the cowardly evasions, why don't you?

Are you forced to give blood against your will, or do you have a right to privacy of your bodily resources?

You have purposely been dishonest in your misrepresentation here.

No, I merely keep challenging your evasions and running away from an issue that pro-lifers can't handle in their delusional and theocratic worldview.

So try again, if you have right to privacy why do you not have a right to sell a kidney because you want some extra cash?

Because you only have the right to your kidney, not to commerce in body parts.

 

[jfuh]

You just don't get it do you, THAT IS PRECIESLY THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!! It probably already exist because you DON"T have the right to sell you kidney because there is no right to privacy. The government can make such private matters illegal.



All specious and dodging the question.

Obviously you can't reconcile it with your position that there is a right to privacy.

Dogde and :spin: all you want Stinger. But with not one, not two, but 4 constitutional amendments that state:

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects...

Amendment V
...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment XIV
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.

I think it's pretty clear of the right to privacy.

 

[jfuh]

Because you only have the right to your kidney, not to commerce in body parts.

:doh Forgot about that argument.

 

[tryreading]

It probably already exist because you DON"T have the right to sell you kidney because there is no right to privacy. The government can make such private matters illegal.

You have the right to give your kidney away. Say your brother needs one, you can give him one of yours without government interference.

But when it comes to commerce, something the government regulates heavily, you're in a different category.

 

[jfuh]

Court sides with the forth today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/22/p...&en=5f2d232cfe8dccd4&ei=5094&partner=homepage

 

[Stinger]

Dogde and :spin: all you want Stinger. But with not one, not two, but 4 constitutional amendments that state:

YOU are the one who refuses to respond to a direct question. Try again.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects...

Against what, why do you leave out the remaining salient language? Quite dishonest on your part.

"against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So you are only protected against UNREASONABLE searches and seizures, nothing about your privacy.

Amendment V
...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

Nothing there about privacy.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Nothing there about privacy.

Amendment XIV
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.

Nothing there about privacy.

I think it's pretty clear of the right to privacy.

Nothing pretty clear at all about privacy, it's not even mentioned.

Again do you have the right to sell your kidney in a private transaction.

And of course we can talk about the income tax reporting system and how your entire private financial data is up for grabs. No privacy there.

So what exactly is this right to privacy? How is my private financial date protected? How is my wife'sprivate medical acitivity for the year protected this year when we have to claim it all on taxes? How about my private property holdings, protected from government? Remember the last census and the page after page of personal private data and the threat of jail if you did not fill it out, that's an example of our right to privacy? How about Clinton's know your customer legislation, another example of our right to privacy? When $10,000 at the casino and it's immediately reported to the government, privacy?

 

[Stinger]

Court sides with the forth today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/22/politics/22cnd-scotus.html?hp&ex=1143090000&en=5f2d232cfe8dccd4&ei=5094&partner=homepage

An all they need is reasonable suspician and they can come right in with the warrant can't they.

 

[Stinger]

You have the right to give............

And clearly I said nothing about giving it away did I.

But when it comes to commerce, something the government regulates heavily, you're in a different category.

So much for a right to privacy and private financial transactions then.

 

[tryreading]

"against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So you are only protected against UNREASONABLE searches and seizures, nothing about your privacy.

How about:

A reasonable search: An officer looks you over as you walk down the street.

An unreasonable search: Your person, effects, papers, house are physically searched.

 

[Donkey1499]

How about:

A reasonable search: An officer looks you over as you walk down the street.

An unreasonable search: Your person, effects, papers, house are physically searched.

Stealing blood from horse-shoe crabs is also unreasonable, but Col. Sanders hasn't stopped that yet!

 

[steen]

Stealing blood from horse-shoe crabs is also unreasonable, but Col. Sanders hasn't stopped that yet!

Stealing blood from you, forcing you to give up blood is also unreasonable.

 

[Donkey1499]

Stealing blood from you, forcing you to give up blood is also unreasonable.

Those nasty vampiric doctorses! They stoles it from us. They stoles the bloods from poor, poor Donkey. donkum donkum!

 

[jfuh]

YOU are the one who refuses to respond to a direct question. Try again.

That's a lie, I've responded to your question several times now.

Against what, why do you leave out the remaining salient language? Quite dishonest on your part.

No dishonesty at all. I've indicated clearly that there are remaing parts that I just didn't bother to type out. You think that anyone would be so stupid to use such an argument and not know what the remainder of the amendment was? The only dishonesty here is on your behalf.

"against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So you are only protected against UNREASONABLE searches and seizures, nothing about your privacy.

Unreasonable, which means that in order to search you need to have sufficient reason and obtaining a warrent. Which is why the wiretaps are illegal. Talk about arrogance.

Nothing there about privacy.
Nothing there about privacy.

Nothing there about privacy.

Nothing pretty clear at all about privacy, it's not even mentioned.

You can't read can you? Homeschooling?

Again do you have the right to sell your kidney in a private transaction.

I've answered this already. You have the right of privacy to your kidney, but you do not have the right to the commerce of it.

And of course we can talk about the income tax reporting system and how your entire private financial data is up for grabs. No privacy there.

Wow, more :spin:

So what exactly is this right to privacy? How is my private financial date protected? How is my wife'sprivate medical acitivity for the year protected this year when we have to claim it all on taxes? How about my private property holdings, protected from government? Remember the last census and the page after page of personal private data and the threat of jail if you did not fill it out, that's an example of our right to privacy? How about Clinton's know your customer legislation, another example of our right to privacy? When $10,000 at the casino and it's immediately reported to the government, privacy?

You have the right of privacy to your finances but not to the commerce of it. You're income is a transaction between you and your employer. That transaction is not private and is subject to governmental inspection.

 

[Donkey1499]

I heard somewhere that the average American is on camera at least 14 times a day. Where's the privacy? Someone knows where you are most of the time. And the "illegal" wire taps are on terrorists and those who support them. The terrorists aren't American citizens and the ones who are gave up their citizenship when they became an enemy of the US. There is nothing illegal about the wiretaps on the TERRORISTS!!!!

 

[tryreading]

I heard somewhere that the average American is on camera at least 14 times a day. Where's the privacy? Someone knows where you are most of the time.

Anyone can be filmed when in public. That's not an issue here. There are security cameras for example in most stores, parking lots, in all banks, and there are cameras at intersections in some areas to catch red light runners. The filming of your person in public is fine in these examples.

 

[Donkey1499]

I heard somewhere that the average American is on camera at least 14 times a day. Where's the privacy? Someone knows where you are most of the time.

Anyone can be filmed when in public. That's not an issue here. There are security cameras for example in most stores, parking lots, in all banks, and there are cameras at intersections in some areas to catch red light runners. The filming of your person in public is fine in these examples.

But alot of people don't like being on camera, especially privacy freaks. They are like hermits who sit at home most of the time with CNN on. And they sit and watch it hour upon hour, feeling the guilt and despair on thel ies and half truths of the leftist agenda. But besides all that, there are those who want traffic cams and store cams taken away because they feel it violates their right to privacy and it doesn't.

 

[Stinger]

Unreasonable, which means that in order to search you need to have sufficient reason and obtaining a warrent. Which is why the wiretaps are illegal. Talk about arrogance.

Yep no privacy, only right to unreasonable search and seizure. If a policman stops me and suspects I have drugs in my car I have no privacy right.

You can't read can you? Homeschooling?

Go back and point to where any of those amendments says you have a right to privacy.

I've answered this already. You have the right of privacy to your kidney, but you do not have the right to the commerce of it.

Why not if I have a right to privacy? It's a private transaction. Done in the privacy of a medial facility, with my private doctor.

You have the right of privacy to your finances

Then why am I require to report them to the government if I have a right to privacy?

but not to the commerce of it.

Why not if I have a right to privacy?

You're income is a transaction between you and your employer.

Who may just be a private citizen but my income is just a part of my financial information. Where I keep it, who I give it to, what charities I contribute to, what political causes I give to. Where is my right to privacy?

That transaction is not private and is subject to governmental inspection.

Quite a bit of it IS private and apparently I have no right to keep it that way.

So what exactly is PRIVATE, what does this right to privacy get me?

 

[Stinger]

How about:

A reasonable search: An officer looks you over as you walk down the street.

An unreasonable search: Your person, effects, papers, house are physically searched.

Or they fly a plane over my house to look over my PRIVACY fence. Or use infra-red to see if my attic has hot lights in it.

Where is my right to privacy?