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Does Objective Morality Exist? && The Moral Argument[W:222:829]

gfm7175 said:
It's not based on how anyone feels... it's based on God's perfect nature.
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the only bit of nature that affects morality is feeling it doesn't mean anything otherwise there is no should or shouldn't otherwise
 
gfm7175 said:
It's not based on how anyone feels... it's based on God's perfect nature.
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you mean how YOU or others FEEL about YOUR gods nature :shrug:
once again further proving morals are subjective
 
gfm7175 said:
People would act the same way whether morals were subjective or objective... what changes is the truth value of (and accountability for) moral actions and duties.
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Under subjective morality, moral codes can change. Not so if morality is objective. It has nothing to do with how people act; it has to do with their moral codes. The only truth value is what people subjectively hold true at the time. Accountability is also subjective according to currently held moral codes.
 
devildavid said:
Under subjective morality, moral codes can change.
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They sure can, and they do.

devildavid said:
Not so if morality is objective.
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False. Moral codes can still change all the same, but what doesn't change is what the one true code is. People can still move towards and away from that one true code. The debate is between whether it exists or not.
 
gfm7175 said:
They sure can, and they do.


False. Moral codes can still change all the same, but what doesn't change is what the one true code is. People can still move towards and away from that one true code. The debate is between whether it exists or not.
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Objective things do not change. If the objective moral code is real, as you claim, it is not flexible and cannot change. It doesn't matter if people don't follow a code. That does not change the nature of the code.
 
devildavid said:
Objective things do not change.
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Absolute things (truths) do not change depending on circumstances, but objective things (truths) can change depending on circumstances.

devildavid said:
If the objective moral code is real, as you claim, it is not flexible and cannot change. It doesn't matter if people don't follow a code. That does not change the nature of the code.
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Likewise, I think you're confusing absolute with objective.
 
gfm7175 said:
They sure can, and they do.


False. Moral codes can still change all the same, but what doesn't change is what the one true code is. People can still move towards and away from that one true code. The debate is between whether it exists or not.
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Now, you can make claims it is exists.. but unless you show a method and a model that can be tested to show it exists that excludes what people thing or feel about it, then you have not shown anyting more than 'because I said so.'
 
gfm7175 said:
Absolute things (truths) do not change depending on circumstances, but objective things (truths) can change depending on circumstances.


Likewise, I think you're confusing absolute with objective.
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Can you show that there are such things as 'absolute morals' or ethics?
 
gfm7175 said:
Absolute things (truths) do not change depending on circumstances, but objective things (truths) can change depending on circumstances.


Likewise, I think you're confusing absolute with objective.
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A truth does not change or else it is not a truth to begin with.
 
RAMOSS said:
Can you show that there are such things as 'absolute morals' or ethics?
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of course that can not be shown because they dont exist. Multiple posters have asked for factual proof of the failed and proven wrong stance in the op and it has never been provided.
 
gfm7175 said:
Sometimes things are true in certain situations but not true in other situations...
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which is why morals are subjective, good job!
1300+ posts and the fact remains morals are subjective by definition anybody who disagrees is free to post one objective oral and prove its objective. thanks
 
AGENT J said:
which is why morals are subjective, good job!
1300+ posts and the fact remains morals are subjective by definition anybody who disagrees is free to post one objective oral and prove its objective. thanks
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:bs...

You're conflating subjectivity with relativity... Those are two very different things...

:Oopsie
 
gfm7175 said:
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You're conflating subjectivity with relativity... Those are two very different things...

:Oopsie
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sweet irony LMAO
ooops and BS in deed "I" did nothing of the sort. Once again your made up claims completely fail.

Fact remains morals are subjective by definition if you disagree simply factually prove otherwise, thanks!
 
Re: Does Objective Morality Exist? && The Moral Argument

This was posted in another thread, but brought into here because my response deals with the subject of this thread... Bold and underline was added by me...

zyzygy said:
My creations would have a whale of a time but I'm a nice god and not warped like this Christian god.
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I am assuming that by "warped", you are implying "evil".

Do you not realize that when you assert that the Christian God is objectively evil, or complain about all the "evil" things that he has done, that you are simultaneously confirming the existence of objective morality?
 
Re: Does Objective Morality Exist? && The Moral Argument

gfm7175 said:
This was posted in another thread, but brought into here because my response deals with the subject of this thread... Bold and underline was added by me...



I am assuming that by "warped", you are implying "evil".

Do you not realize that when you assert that the Christian God is objectively evil, or complain about all the "evil" things that he has done, that you are simultaneously confirming the existence of objective morality?
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Do you have another qoute to present because no where in that qoute was it asserted that the Christian God is objectively evil

it does shed light on the confusion in this thread though, it seems to imply that you think just cause a person says it, believes it or feels it that makes it objective . . it factually does not.

Please let us know when you can present the qoute that supports your currently false claim, thanks!
 
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