Montecresto
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does Iran have a right to nukes?
Would you give a known terrorist a batch of nerve gas?
Would you give skinheads an arsenal of high explosives?
Would you give a known threat a weapon capable of changing the power structure of the planet?
I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)
working on the poll
I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)
working on the poll
Does the U.S. have the right to have nuclear weapons while denying other sovereign nations to same right? And because the NPT says so is not a good enough answer - that justifies the double standard of the haves and the have nots but does not make it right
Does the U.S. have the right to have nuclear weapons while denying other sovereign nations to same right? And because the NPT says so is not a good enough answer - that justifies the double standard of the haves and the have nots but does not make it right
I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)
working on the poll
I think the answer really depends on your point of view.
Should they have them?
Absolutely ****ing not.
I think that we as a collection of nations (The West) in our best interests should not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon.
But lets not kid ourselves.
Their desire for a Nuclear Weapon isn't entirely to do with some apocalyptic desire to incinerate Israel and all non believers or whatever colorful language the regime decides to use for the day... it's about the survival of the regime.
For North Korea and Iran it's more about gaining the ultimate deterrence against what they perceive as an imminent invasion and destruction of their governments as well as gaining influence of course.
Ultimately both governments are extremely abhorrent to any civilized order or proliferation of basic human rights in the world and must one day, face the axe... especially in the case of the North Koreans.
But to do that... is no easy task.
Lots of blood, lots of treasure.
From a Realist perspective, they have the "right" to whatever they can get away with.
We, in turn, have the "right" to impede them in such pursuits if it goes against our own interests.
At the end of the day, it's really as simple as that. Iran has an agenda, and we have an agenda. Unfortunately, those agendas simply happen to be mutually incompatible.
May the best nation win. :shrug:
Iran has as much right to nukes as anyone else. Nations with nukes don't get invaded, so it is understandable that they want them. I know of no principal that denies their right to have them while others have them. In my opinion, no one has a right to have them or use them. Using them is genocide.
Heck, I probably trust our own government, with the yahoo Jesus squad anywhere near the big red button, less than I would trust Iran.
I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)
working on the poll
So you have No REAL answer to Iran having Signed AWAY that 'Right'. (Reaffirmed under the Revolutionary Govt)
Just your usual Empty Hostility/Deflection after getting Gutted again.
What's that now.. 0-fer-4612?
So if Iran abrogates the NPT then you wont have a problem with that?Iran signed the Non-Proliferation treaty. As such, even if a country could have such a "Right", Iran signed their Right to it away by agreeing to and signing the NPT. As such, all other signatories to the NPT have the Right to interfere with Iran getting nuclear weapons technology.
So if Iran abrogates the NPT then you wont have a problem with that?
Ok, but I don't get your point. A metaphoric book, written by a dude in a trance a couple thousand years ago has what bearing on Iran's nuclear power program today?
The US?
I really don't care if Iran has nukes or not. Certainly, they have entirely valid reasons for wanting them, after all, Israel and the west haven't treated them particularly well, they have every reason to distrust us and I don't blame them a bit. Heck, I probably trust our own government, with the yahoo Jesus squad anywhere near the big red button, less than I would trust Iran.
The issue has NOTHING to do with "fairness," and accordingly "double standard" is irrelevant.
In fact, it is absurd to claim that is the issue. Does every country have the "right" to have the means to totally destroy the USA in a nuclear attack or to irradiate the entire world in such an attack against another country? Do you think that such "rights" exist or ever have among and between nations?
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The NPT explicitly enshrined a double standard in the interest of reducing the potential for use of nuclear weapons.
No country has the "right" to nuclear weapons.
I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)
working on the poll
By the by, this is exactly why I like open polls. Not to see who voted for what, but to see if anyone is screwing around with the poll results. And this one has definitely been screwed with.
14 people voted yes...but it says 64 did.
North Korea did. They pulled out of the NPT a few years back. I said it then and I say it now....The NPT is one treaty that no one should be allowed to back out of unless they are let out by the majority of the other signatories. Simple majority is fine. Partly because by signing the treaty they signed whatever perceived or actual Right they had to make such weapons away. And when it comes to N. Korea and Iran....well...lets just say I wouldn't trust either of them as far as I could throw the sun towards the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. Admittedly I'd trust Iran sooner than N. Korea. But only because N. Korea is FREAKING CRAZY compared to Iran....and well...most other countries to.
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