Harry Guerrilla
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Does hard work always lead to a higher income?
The reason I ask this is that I see a lot of people assuming that people with a low income are lazy.
What is so messed up? The hardest jobs seem to pay the less
Not all hard work leads to economic success. There are many factors that also contribute to it, such as intelligence, discernment, opportunity, economics, social skills, timing, luck, fate, education, family ties, accidents of birth, etc etc
All of that falls under the category of, luck.
All of that falls under the category of, luck.
So then why do cons automatically go straight to "lazy" when talking about poor people? Doesn't the fact that you have to answer "no" to the poll prove that the bull**** about working hard and getting ahead is just that? There is also luck which seems to be a bigger factor than working hard.
Intelligence comes about by luck?
Education comes about by luck?
Odd.
Always? No. Has someone said it does?Does hard work always lead to a higher income?
So then why do cons automatically go straight to "lazy" when talking about poor people? Doesn't the fact that you have to answer "no" to the poll prove that the bull**** about working hard and getting ahead is just that? There is also luck which seems to be a bigger factor than working hard.
Very much so. You don't have any choice in your natural mental abilities or capacities. Sure you can become smarter but intelligence is an attribute just like athleticism. Luck.Intelligence comes about by luck?
Education comes about by luck?
Odd.
Very much so. You don't have any choice in your natural mental abilities or capacities. Sure you can become smarter but intelligence is an attribute just like athleticism. Luck.
If you are born in... Detroit, Mi, for example, your education is certainly less effective than the education you'd receive in... Novato, CA.
You don't get to decide where you go to school. Luck.
This is one more reason why we should have a living wage. You clean crap daily? You should make a lot of money doing it. What is wrong with this picture when pencil pushers make more than someone breaking their backs doing maunal labor? I say it is not fair.
This is one more reason why we should have a living wage. You clean crap daily? You should make a lot of money doing it. What is wrong with this picture when pencil pushers make more than someone breaking their backs doing maunal labor? I say it is not fair.
I would probably react that way too, but I am a fairly ambitious person.
However, at the textile mill I work at, I know plenty of people who work hard for the sake of working hard and never aspire to even being a supervisor. Many only make 10 or 11 an hour, but they tend to be happy people.
Ummm, yes, for the most part. Your potential level of intelligence is established long before YOU can make a conscious choice about changing it. I know you THINK you've chosen to be a genius, but you are sadly mistaken.Intelligence comes about by luck?
Actually, not odd at all. There are millions of people born into families and neighborhoods that don't care about education. Some groups even ridicule anyone who tries to rise above their birth. Once these individuals are able to establish their own fate, they are often too ignorant to even know where to begin to pull themselves out of their situation, and/or they make choices that lock them into it.Education comes about by luck?
Odd.
Yes, business likes to treat people like objects to be bought and sold for the lowest bid.Pay is determined by supply and demand. Of course once you have the job you need to do the work, which may or may not be "hard", but hard work in and of itself doesn't lead to high or low pay. It doesn't really matter at all.
Does hard work always lead to a higher income?
The reason I ask this is that I see a lot of people assuming that people with a low income are lazy.
So are you attempting to deny that there is a difference between natural abilities? You really want to argue that the only difference between Magic Johnson and YOU is that he worked harder at basketball than you?Superior athletes are typically found when native talent meets hard work, sweat and discipline.
Oh ok, so you're NOT going to deny the luck of having natural talent or not?You can have tons of natural talent, but if you don't work to develop it to the max, you will not reach the top of your field or even go very far in it.
So you're going to deny differences in natural abilities?Intelligence is similar. You're born with a certain upper limit, but reaching whatever your maximum potential may be, is up to you.
"Not so much..."? So, you think a 6 year old has a say in what school he/she goes to or, to the 6 year old, is it luck based on their parents choices?Um...huh?
I know lots of parents, including working-poor parents, who make an effort to find out the quality of the local school district before buying or renting a house, and it factors into their decision.
Many parents, if they can afford it, send their kids to private schools. (Vouchers anyone?)
Not so much luck, as a continuation of whatever the family's habits/traditions on education of their children might be.
So you do admit there is luck involved...Then there's the matter of how much you get out of school, being related to how much you put in. Yeah, "luck" (or factors beyond your control, to be more precise) is a factor, but a good bit of it IS up to you.
Then there is college, which is really where you make or break your educational level... and people do choose where they go to college to a large degree.
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