Does Anyone On The Left Actually Understand Trump Won Because of Them?

[Peacenik]

Trump won because foolish resentful people bought into right wing propaganda which is bitterly dividing our nation. Without 'bad people' to resent and hate, Trump would have lost badly.

This bitter hatred is fomented on purpose by big money funded right wing 'think tanks' which work at coming up with a constant stream of 'supposed indignities' for conservatives to 'be angry about.' These are dumped into the right wing rumor mill echo chamber where they are immediately picked up by the thoughtless followers in the maga cult of deplorables.

Naturally, the entire effort is geared toward putting Republicans in power where they will reward their big money backers by giving them tax breaks and slashing any socially beneficial regulation which might impact big corporate profits.

America is almost hopelessly corrupt. Big money has bought our government.

If we had an actively engaged well informed populace this would not be possible. That is why Republicans attack education and even disparage college. Republicans want a stupid nation they can more easily take advantage of by adeptly brain-washing them to hate the perceived 'enemies' so they will be motivated to place in power the very people who will reduce their own standards of living, all so they will take action against the boogie-man objects of this manufactured hatred.

This is not a logical path towards creating a good government and making America great.

It is using emotions to enact greed at the detriment of the United States of America.

It can't go on forever. It's going to end one way or another. If we don't step up our efforts to turn it around through peaceful and Constitutional means, the predictable end will be very unpleasant on a wide scale.

We must end this legalized corruption. Most people understand there is too much big money influence in government. They also falsely think nothing can be done about it. It can. There are links in my signature for the plan to make government functional again. MGFA recognizes there is a political left and a political right, and utilizes the best of both sides. It is not partisan. It is American in virtue. It is a badly needed continuation of the work of the founders of this nation. Sometimes you have to actually do something for your nation. This is one of those times.

 

[Tangmo]

Nope they don't have a clue. If they had left him alone after Biden became president he would have more than likely faded away. Just another former president.

As it worked out he had 4 years to prepare for his
current term. And everyday the democrats are crying about it.

Trump is a huge ego who compulsively is in your face. Your post has no clue or common sense about it.

Trump is not Gen. MacArthur who addressing Congress after Truman fired him, and after 50 years in the Army, cited the fact only "Old Soldiers fade away" which is what the master of war and victory did do.

Trump is not an old Soldier. He is a raging authoritarian egomaniac whose insanity manifested after his loss in 2020. It is impossible for Trump to "just fade away." It is inconceivable in fact so this thread itself has no clue of what happens, why or how. The thread and topic are the result of idle hands, naive wonder and baseless MAGA speculation.

This thread is MAGA nonsense.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I often wonder how many on the left have some level of understanding that Trump would have never been president, ever, if it hadn't been for all they and their bought and paid for media did against Trump.

The endless victim card dealing is hilarious. Yes, Trump won because The Left™ controls the media and it was against Trump.


Does the MAGAverse give itself credit for anything, or is everything the fault of someone else?

Anyone on the left here actually realize it was the left who elected Trump?

It wasn't. The people who voted for Trump were the ones who elected Trump.

Did you just go too far, with everything?

I don't control the media, so I can't take credit or blame.

Or, is it just an Ostrich with their heads in the sand thing?

I think the idea that it's some monolithic group behind why a leader was elected that's more fitting to this description. You could have a more specific OP about why you think Trump won and the role the opposition played in that, but this isn't it.

 

[Peacenik]

If Republicans do anything for education they say it has to be private schools which are mostly religious indoctrination centers geared towards creating a new crop of Republican voters. They are not teaching the young how to think for themselves. They are telling the young what to think and how to vote. And of course, Republicans want young people to vote for Republicans.

Democrats want fair non partisan schools where the young are taught how to think and then allowed to make up their own minds. Some might vote for Democrats, others might vote for Republicans. That is how it should be. Because the schools Democrats favor can turn out voters who go either way, but the ones Republicans favor are geared towards churning out new Republican voters, that has led to more Republican power. Not because it is fair, but because Republicans are greedy about power, caring more for themselves and their own personal concerns than they care about America.

Republicans do not want a free fair and balanced nation. They want a right wing nation. That is more important to them than the nation itself. If Republicans can't have what they want they would stupidly rather see America destroyed than to let the political pendulum swing back to the left.

 

[Tangmo]

And I also blame everyone eligible who didn't vote for Harris. There were realistically two choices in this election. The outcome was too important to stay home or protest vote because you didn't like the choices.

Amen.

As I pointed out throughout last year the choice was Liberal Democracy vs Fascist Dictatorship. And only.

Too many Independent voters and every third party voter who failed to vote for Harris win or lose are now perfectly comfortable with the Generalissimo Trump and His OberKommando Miller that voters knew would turn the USA inside out and upside down and into a total ruin.

They are fine with it is what it is. If this now had scared 'em then they would have come around. It did not and they did not however.

 

[Simpletruther]

Trump won because the establishment Democrats thought they could win by appealing to the right.

In no world does Kamala Harris appeal to the right

 

[Brack]

A lot of folks voted for Trump mainly due to inflation. But these folks didn't know who was going to be paying for Trump's tariffs. And inflation is now s bit higher than it was a year.

 

[Juggernaut74]

Trump won (both times) for one reason and one reason only.

America is filled with a crap ton of really, really, really stupid people who vote.

 

[Gozaburo]

Trump won because foolish resentful people bought into right wing propaganda which is bitterly dividing our nation. Without 'bad people' to resent and hate, Trump would have lost badly.

This bitter hatred is fomented on purpose by big money funded right wing 'think tanks' which work at coming up with a constant stream of 'supposed indignities' for conservatives to 'be angry about.' These are dumped into the right wing rumor mill echo chamber where they are immediately picked up by the thoughtless followers in the maga cult of deplorables.

Naturally, the entire effort is geared toward putting Republicans in power where they will reward their big money backers by giving them tax breaks and slashing any socially beneficial regulation which might impact big corporate profits.

America is almost hopelessly corrupt. Big money has bought our government.

If we had an actively engaged well informed populace this would not be possible. That is why Republicans attack education and even disparage college. Republicans want a stupid nation they can more easily take advantage of by adeptly brain-washing them to hate the perceived 'enemies' so they will be motivated to place in power the very people who will reduce their own standards of living, all so they will take action against the boogie-man objects of this manufactured hatred.

This is not a logical path towards creating a good government and making America great.

It is using emotions to enact greed at the detriment of the United States of America.

It can't go on forever. It's going to end one way or another. If we don't step up our efforts to turn it around through peaceful and Constitutional means, the predictable end will be very unpleasant on a wide scale.

We must end this legalized corruption. Most people understand there is too much big money influence in government. They also falsely think nothing can be done about it. It can. There are links in my signature for the plan to make government functional again. MGFA recognizes there is a political left and a political right, and utilizes the best of both sides. It is not partisan. It is American in virtue. It is a badly needed continuation of the work of the founders of this nation. Sometimes you have to actually do something for your nation. This is one of those times.

While I don't disagree in principle with everything you're saying, I think the OP is pointing out that general tendency of leftists to speak in banal platitudes and whiny moralization is why they've lost a tremendous amount of ground.

Progressivism has become regressive because it can only manage to critique, never produce. At best, you'll hear guys like Mamdani advocate for bourgeoise creature comforts - "healthcare for all!" - but this isn't a platform which ever comes across as being particularly coherent or convincing.

In fairness, things tend to by cyclical. MAGA has lost almost all of its dynamism from 2016 and now seems to engage in pointless dopamine sadism for upvotes on social media. No coherent governing policy or strategy, just an appeal to the voters, which seems to be the primary characteristic of populism, right or left.

 

[Maccabee]

In no world does Kamala Harris appeal to the right

By ditching trans people and hem-hawing around Gaza, they were trying to appeal to center and center right people.

 

[Along Came Jones]

Why do you call Trump 'the people's choice'? More people voted against him than for him.

Trump won the 2024 popular vote (which does not elect the president)
Harris: 75,019,230
Trump: 77,303,568
The remaining 2,918,155 votes cast were divvied up among 18 other candidates.

Trump won the 2024 electoral vote (which does elect the president)
Trump 312
Harris 226
Others 0

Source: Ballotpedia Presidential Election, 2024
Non voters preferences determine nothing with respect to election outcomes.

Any national contest of any kind which results in one winner is characterized as the people's choice. In this case, I'd be okay with calling it the people's mistake. The result is the same.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

I often wonder how many on the left have some level of understanding that Trump would have never been president, ever, if it hadn't been for all they and their bought and paid for media did against Trump. Anyone on the left here actually realize it was the left who elected Trump? Did you just go too far, with everything? Or, is it just an Ostrich with their heads in the sand thing?

The part of this that amuses me the most is that this is essentially a cop-out - you guys know exactly how embarrassing Donald Trump is, you know that history won't be kind to you guys for electing him, and you're already trying to seed the idea that "the left" made you guys turn into fascists.

It's even funnier considering how much you guys like to pretend to be all about "personal responsibility."

No one forced you to vote for Trump, and in 50 years, all the descendents of MAGAs will look back on you guys in shame and disgust for the damage you caused this country.

 

[Along Came Jones]

You forgot about conservatives ranting during the election about Eggs! Word salad! DEI! Open border! Trans!

Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. What I did do was accurately report exit polling. Independents and persuadable leaners win elections.

 

[ataraxia]

I'm so glad they didn't have a clue or we'd have cackling Kamala running things. Trump was the lesser of two evils.

Trump is a 34-count convicted felon and rapist, completely ignorant of basic science and economics, who is moving towards an imperial presidency and sending federal troops to cities and states that haven't asked for it.

And Trump is the lesser of two evils because.... Kamala cackles?

 

[Along Came Jones]

Democrats passed legislation that addressed the economy and foreign policy.

Yes, they did. And too many voters disapproved of how they addressed it.

 

[NuffSaid]

I often wonder how many on the left have some level of understanding that Trump would have never been president, ever, if it hadn't been for all they and their bought and paid for media did against Trump. Anyone on the left here actually realize it was the left who elected Trump? Did you just go too far, with everything? Or, is it just an Ostrich with their heads in the sand thing?

Nice pathetic way of blaming the left for all the shit Trump is doing
Just own up, MAGA worships Trump.
Pedophilia is cool
Bailing out foreign countries is cool
Protecting terrorist countries is cool
Adding trillions to debt is cool
Bailing out farmers is cool

 

[Grand Mal]

Trump won the 2024 popular vote (which does not elect the president)
Harris: 75,019,230
Trump: 77,303,568
The remaining 2,918,155 votes cast were divvied up among 18 other candidates.

More people voted against him than voted for him.
He won the election but he wasn't 'the people's choice'. Most of the people chose someone not named Trump.

Trump won the 2024 electoral vote (which does elect the president)
Trump 312
Harris 226
Others 0

Which makes Trump 'the States Choice'.

Source: Ballotpedia Presidential Election, 2024
Non voters preferences determine nothing with respect to election outcomes.

Any national contest of any kind which results in one winner is characterized as the people's choice. In this case, I'd be okay with calling it the people's mistake. The result is the same.

Way it was explained to me, Congress is elected by the people and the President is elected by the States. That's why it's up to individual States how they allocate their Electoral College votes. They don't all assign all their EC votes to just one candidate.

 

[j brown's body]

Yes, they did. And too many voters disapproved of how they addressed it.

And yet,

 

[BirdinHand]

No one forced you to vote for Trump, and in 50 years, all the descendents of MAGAs will look back on you guys in shame and disgust for the damage you caused this country

Their legacy will be that they screwed their kids and grandkids in their allegiance to a B rate reality tv star con artist.

 

[Tangmo]

If Republicans do anything for education they say it has to be private schools which are mostly religious indoctrination centers geared towards creating a new crop of Republican voters. They are not teaching the young how to think for themselves. They are telling the young what to think and how to vote. And of course, Republicans want young people to vote for Republicans.

Democrats want fair non partisan schools where the young are taught how to think and then allowed to make up their own minds. Some might vote for Democrats, others might vote for Republicans. That is how it should be. Because the schools Democrats favor can turn out voters who go either way, but the ones Republicans favor are geared towards churning out new Republican voters, that has led to more Republican power. Not because it is fair, but because Republicans are greedy about power, caring more for themselves and their own personal concerns than they care about America.

Republicans do not want a free fair and balanced nation. They want a right wing nation. That is more important to them than the nation itself. If Republicans can't have what they want they would stupidly rather see America destroyed than to let the political pendulum swing back to the left.

Yes, with Trump-MAGAs it's all or nothing.

21st century American fascists cannot exist alongside liberals in their democracy and its inclusive democratic society. For the MAGAs it's always been to defeat and replace liberals and their democracy or short of that destroy the whole of it -- to create instead modern ancient ruins for the rest of time. Which accounts for the tenacity and fanaticism of MAGAs to destroy liberal society and democracy for their uniquely American fascism in the homeland. It's existential for 'em.

MAGAs waiting patiently for the next election is kaput. This remains as the liberals fatal flaw, waiting for the next election that Trump-MAGAs will control and direct so that they continue their absolute rule in Washington.

 

[lynnwinslow]

Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't.

????

What I did do was accurately report exit polling. Independents and persuadable leaners win elections.

Did the exit polls you are referencing poll about DEI, trans dominating women's sports, eggs prices, criminal illegals, etc. ?

 

[Kyrion]

Yes, they did. And too many voters disapproved of how they addressed it.

Which means too many voters weren't paying attention to what Democrats were actually doing.

 

[NuffSaid]

And the first time was because of Obama. He fundamentally screwed up America.

Yep, Trump won the first time because the racists in this country were pissed a black man became President and the misogynists didn't want a woman President.

 

[Kyrion]

Yep, Trump won the first time because the racists in this country were pissed a black man became President and the misogynists didn't want a woman President.

That and conservatives have memory holed the entire Bush regime and thus blame President Obama for the Great Recession. Which started in the winter of 2007 and how Obama was sworn in as president on January 2009.

 

[Tangmo]

In no world does Kamala Harris appeal to the right

Indeed, "the right" is cheerful about what we have since Nov. 5th last year and in perpetuity. The present is the wet dream of "the right" since Reagan failed 'em.