Does anyone on here favor mask mandates, vaccine mandates and . . .

[Ethel2]

Sorry, posted that in the wrong thead. Another poster on another thread promised donuts if I could show Fauci ever advising against mask wear.

Fauci admitted later he was lying in that clip to keep us from buying up masks his health care colleagues wanted.

We have been through this many times here. Dr Fauci was correct in wanting to preserve high quality N95 masks for front line workers AND it wasn’t known until after his statement about the general public not needing masks that the virus could be transmitted by people with no symptoms.
He didn’t lie then. He lied only once that I can see.
If he admitted he was lying then produce a direct quote from him and a link to a reputable source from which the quote emanates-or admit you made that up.

 

[bearpoker]

Sorry, posted that in the wrong thead. Another poster on another thread promised donuts if I could show Fauci ever advising against mask wear.

Fauci admitted later he was lying in that clip to keep us from buying up masks his health care colleagues wanted.

No, he did not admit he was lying. Stop with the RW smears. He said at the time that his advice would change if there was community spread.

 

[seymourflops]

No, he did not admit he was lying. Stop with the RW smears. He said at the time that his advice would change if there was community spread.

Are you wiiling to bet dollars to donuts like that other poster?

 

[seymourflops]

We have been through this many times here. Dr Fauci was correct in wanting to preserve high quality N95 masks for front line workers AND it wasn’t known until after his statement about the general public not needing masks that the virus could be transmitted by people with no symptoms.
He didn’t lie then. He lied only once that I can see.
If he admitted he was lying then produce a direct quote from him and a link to a reputable source from which the quote emanates-or admit you made that up.

Which lie can you see?

 

[Ethel2]

Which lie can you see?

He admitted he lied about the percentage of the population that needed to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity because he thought “we weren’t ready” to hear what he really thought. When he thought we were ready to hear what he believed to be the truth he adjusted his estimate upwards. I got on his case on DP because I think he should be completely honest with the American people.
Now-provide a direct quote from him where he admitted to lying about masks along with a link to a reputable source or admit you made it up.

 

[seymourflops]

He admitted he lied about the percentage of the population that needed to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity because he thought “we weren’t ready” to hear what he really thought. When he thought we were ready to hear what he believed to be the truth he adjusted his estimate upwards. I got on his case on DP because I think he should be completely honest with the American people.
Now-provide a direct quote from him where he admitted to lying about masks along with a link to a reputable source or admit you made it up.

Only for donuts.

Fauci didn't lie all that many times. But when he did his lies were tantamount to mass manslaughter because people took him so seriously.

I'll start a thread about that later. I'll give you those links also.

 

[KingLeo]

That'[s true if you do not count the people walking across out southern border as persons trying to immigrate into the US. Those people are offered a voluntary test and a voluntary vaccination and sent into the US whether they take either.

No, if people are picked up and detained trying to illegal cross the border they ARE NOT merely offered a test or vaccine and then allowed to enter the US.
It does not work that way.

 

[seymourflops]

No, if people are picked up and detained trying to illegal cross the border they ARE NOT merely offered a test or vaccine and then allowed to enter the US.
It does not work that way.

The New York Times disagrees:

Covid on the Border: Migrants Aren’t Tested on Arrival in U.S. (Published 2021)

The Border Patrol says it has insufficient time and space to conduct coronavirus testing at crowded processing stations. Officials in border cities fear further spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Visbek]

Link please, thanks

COVID-19: Data on Vaccines - NYC Health

 

[Hamish Howl]

 

[Ethel2]

No, if people are picked up and detained trying to illegal cross the border they ARE NOT merely offered a test or vaccine and then allowed to enter the US.
It does not work that way.

Why are the even detained?
Put them on a bus and return them to Mexico.
The SCOTUS just ruled that the “wait in Mexico “ is legal. There’s no reason not to put them on a bus within an hour and return them to where they came from.

 

[Visbek]

I only keep asking because your trying to get around the fact that they New York are not requesting the Vax card by itself.

sigh... Yes, they are. You don't have to show any ID, just prove that you got vaccinated.

COVID-19: Vaccine Key to NYC - NYC Health

I know the Vax card is not an ID.

And yet, you keep treating it as though it's an ID.

how are people with no ID supposed to live as free people?

Ok again? All you need is your vaccination card. You don't need an ID.

why is this directly different than voting ID?

I've already answered that question.

I've got a better question for you: How is a bar requiring proof of vaccination any different than a bar requiring proof that you're over 21?

I am also not sure your numbers on Vax people in New York are accurate. I will have to research those and compare.

I'm sure they are.

COVID-19: Data on Vaccines - NYC Health

So, unless you believe that 0% of Blacks in New York City are vaccinated, then your claims that this will be used as an excuse for racial discrimination are yet another epic fail.

 

[Ethel2]

Delta airlines is onto something. If you make the foolish mistake not to get vaccinated you can expect to pay higher monthly medical insurance premiums and accept less sick time than vaccinated employees:


"New York (CNN Business)Delta Air Lines is raising health care costs for employees who insist on staying unvaccinated.
The airline said that as of November 1, unvaccinated staff will pay up to $200 a month more for their company health insurance, depending on the coverage. It will also limit the number of sick days unvaccinated employees are allowed to take if they contract Covid-19.”

 

[ClaraD]

Stopping the flow of CIVID positive immigrants being transported to inland cities?

If you advocate mandatory masks and vaccines for healthy Americans, what do you advocate for non Americans who have COVID or decline to be tested?

I advocate for giving a vaccine to every person that comes through the border, legal, illegal or citizen...or you do not get in...I am also in favor of mask mandates for everyone and before you can go into enclosed space or go back to work...you need a vaccine or proof that you cannot get it because you are allergic...this pansy crap about religion is just that...fake nonsense....

 

[noonereal]

COVID-19: Data on Vaccines - NYC Health

The map on the link is fascinating... knowing the city as I do, I can see the direct correlation between money/education and the vaccination rate.

 

[seymourflops]

I advocate for giving a vaccine to every person that comes through the border, legal, illegal or citizen...or you do not get in...I

Have you complained to Biden about not doing that?

 

[Intermind]

sigh... Yes, they are. You don't have to show any ID, just prove that you got vaccinated.

COVID-19: Vaccine Key to NYC - NYC Health

And yet, you keep treating it as though it's an ID.




Ok again? All you need is your vaccination card. You don't need an ID.


I've already answered that question.

I've got a better question for you: How is a bar requiring proof of vaccination any different than a bar requiring proof that you're over 21?


I'm sure they are.

COVID-19: Data on Vaccines - NYC Health

So, unless you believe that 0% of Blacks in New York City are vaccinated, then your claims that this will be used as an excuse for racial discrimination are yet another epic fail.

Wow you really jumped in here and picked what you wanted to comment on. Thank you.

So yes vaccine card is not ID. I never said it was but the city of New York did say your vaccination card will not be accepted unless you can show valid ID along with it. So I never said it was a ID. Obviously if your read what was written not what you think was written so you have something to comment on. With that information I asked someone on here how do you think that will affect minorities that have no ID and don't plan on getting one. Does this information have any correlation to minorities and voting. Because whoever said Republicans want voter ID so minorities can't vote. So I again asked wouldn't New Yorks mandate that a valid ID must be shown with. Hello with your vaccination card to be accepted. Again yes New York said you must have valid ID along with vaccination card to be accepted. I have no idea why I had to write that all again. It was in the areas you cherry picked from. I believe this touched on all your concerns. Also again I didn't say anything about racial issues I answered some who also cherry picked saying Republicans don't want minorities voting and trying to use voter ID to do so. I asked doesn't democrats requiring ID with vaccination card do the same thing in comparison to minorities just trying to enjoying normal life activities?

 

[seymourflops]

Wow you really jumped in here and picked what you wanted to comment on. Thank you.

So yes vaccine card is not ID. I never said it was but the city of New York did say your vaccination card will not be accepted unless you can show valid ID along with it. So I never said it was a ID. Obviously if your read what was written not what you think was written so you have something to comment on. With that information I asked someone on here how do you think that will affect minorities that have no ID and don't plan on getting one. Does this information have any correlation to minorities and voting. Because whoever said Republicans want voter ID so minorities can't vote. So I again asked wouldn't New Yorks mandate that a valid ID must be shown with. Hello with your vaccination card to be accepted. Again yes New York said you must have valid ID along with vaccination card to be accepted. I have no idea why I had to write that all again. It was in the areas you cherry picked from. I believe this touched on all your concerns. Also again I didn't say anything about racial issues I answered some who also cherry picked saying Republicans don't want minorities voting and trying to use voter ID to do so. I asked doesn't democrats requiring ID with vaccination card do the same thing in comparison to minorities just trying to enjoying normal life activities?

This is how Democrats argue. After a few rounds of this, he'll say, "we've already answered that. It's old news."

 

[W_Heisenberg]

This is how Democrats argue. After a few rounds of this, he'll say, "we've already answered that. It's old news."

All you guys have to do is get vaccinated, wear your masks, and stop spreading lies about vaccines and masks. It's not too much to ask.

 

[ClaraD]

Have you complained to Biden about not doing that?

I have not complained...as it is something I think we should do....I would believe that would be Congress that would have to do that though...not the president.

 

[ClaraD]

Wow you really jumped in here and picked what you wanted to comment on. Thank you.

So yes vaccine card is not ID. I never said it was but the city of New York did say your vaccination card will not be accepted unless you can show valid ID along with it. So I never said it was a ID. Obviously if your read what was written not what you think was written so you have something to comment on. With that information I asked someone on here how do you think that will affect minorities that have no ID and don't plan on getting one. Does this information have any correlation to minorities and voting. Because whoever said Republicans want voter ID so minorities can't vote. So I again asked wouldn't New Yorks mandate that a valid ID must be shown with. Hello with your vaccination card to be accepted. Again yes New York said you must have valid ID along with vaccination card to be accepted. I have no idea why I had to write that all again. It was in the areas you cherry picked from. I believe this touched on all your concerns. Also again I didn't say anything about racial issues I answered some who also cherry picked saying Republicans don't want minorities voting and trying to use voter ID to do so. I asked doesn't democrats requiring ID with vaccination card do the same thing in comparison to minorities just trying to enjoying normal life activities?

Going in a restaurant or bar is not a Constitutional right....voting is....but I bet you are good with requiring a photo ID to vote along with the voter registration card...

 

[ClaraD]

Why are the even detained?
Put them on a bus and return them to Mexico.
The SCOTUS just ruled that the “wait in Mexico “ is legal. There’s no reason not to put them on a bus within an hour and return them to where they came from.

not everyone is from Mexico...and if the person is actually already in the US and not from Mexico....they have a valid claim to asylum....wait in Mexico is for those who have not set foot in the US.

 

[ClaraD]

The New York Times disagrees:

Covid on the Border: Migrants Aren’t Tested on Arrival in U.S. (Published 2021)

The Border Patrol says it has insufficient time and space to conduct coronavirus testing at crowded processing stations. Officials in border cities fear further spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

they aren't tested on arrival, but they are before they are released. They are also offered the vaccine. 70% take the vaccine....the issue isn't people coming into the US...it is the morons that think that the vaccine isn't a vaccine and that they have some right to spread their cooties to everyone.

 

[ClaraD]

No, if people are picked up and detained trying to illegal cross the border they ARE NOT merely offered a test or vaccine and then allowed to enter the US.
It does not work that way.

I think he is talking about US citizens and legal immigrants that come and go daily....and it is not likely that they are tested. I hold Sentri pass(fast track border card) but I haven't been down there since 2019. I usually just showed my card and in I went and I would leave the US without any fanfare at all.. There are hundreds of thousands of people that come and go across that border daily....350 million yearly crossings(many are the same folks crossing back and forth)

 

[seymourflops]

they aren't tested on arrival, but they are before they are released. They are also offered the vaccine. 70% take the vaccine....the issue isn't people coming into the US...it is the morons that think that the vaccine isn't a vaccine and that they have some right to spread their cooties to everyone.

Maybe you can explain why a person coming into the US and refusing to take the vaccine is less of an issue than a person born in the US refusing to take the vaccine?