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Give us your just of heart and moral by nature, who are healthy of mind and body and of sufficient intelligence to learn and to cope in the 21st century, who will teach their children to be good people and patriotic Americans, who will love and honor and be responsible for their family's welfare, who will obey our laws and defend our constitution and way of life against all enemies, who will never endeavor to destroy what millions have sweated and bled and died to create but will honor their sacrifice by preserving their creation with their own sweat and blood and life if neccessary, who wish to be an American because they believe it is the greatest nation on earth and will show allegence to no other flag, and above all will recognize that to become an American Citizen is the greatest honor on earth and bestowed only on the deserving.
Drones with Hellfire missiles at the border, is the only thing the Mexican government understands. You'll have a kneejerk reaction, but frankly I'm tired of our people getting shot at. As far as I'm concern, the Mexican government doesn't feel enough fear of the US. It'll be about right, whenever they think of us they quiver a little.
New Zealand has a pretty good immigration policy to build on.
Some thoughts for a new policy,
- must show proof of self reliance, (i.e, employment, savings, etc).
- higher eduction in needed fields
- improve migrant farm worker program
- harsher penalties for illegal entry or overstaying visa
- harsher penalties for companies that hire illegal immigration
Today, immigration into the US needs to be based on what our economy needs/support, what skills we need for our future (doctors, engineers, high tech, etc.), and what our natural resources can sustain.
Current situation is a joke.
Don't be silly. Use of force at the border isn't fascism. It's called reaching an understanding and the correct level of respect.So you're basically going flat out pro-fascism?
I more or less agree. Although I think the current situation isn't that different than what you describe. The main difference is that we don't have an effective guest worker program. We most definitely do require proof of self reliance, give massive priority to education, and are cracking down far more aggressively on employers than ever before. The number of undocumented immigrants in the US has been falling for 3 years in a row and we've been deporting more people per year under Obama than under any previous president. So, I think you've got the right idea, but I think we're closer to success than you might think.
Come live in AZ for awhile. You would realize we are not.
I hope you are not trying to tell me of the illegal aliens in the US are highly educated. There is a big difference in legal immigrants and illegal immigrants.
Also, explain why Obama won't work more closely with States that have issues with immigration, rather than taking them to court? With States passing their own illegal immigration laws, the feds admitting they don't have enough resources, you would think they would welcome State resources in assisting. Yes, I know of ICE and agreememts the Feds can enter into with the States if they choose.
Don't be silly. Use of force at the border isn't fascism. It's called reaching an understanding and the correct level of respect.
I live in California man. One of two states that can totally tell AZ what's what about illegal immigration.TX is the other one.
CA has around 2.5 million undocumented immigrants, AZ has 375 thousand. That is 5.8% of AZ's population, and 6.9% of CA's.
Illegal Immigration in the U.S.: State-by-State Totals - Graphic - Pew Hispanic Center
Well a policy requiring education levels for immigrants would only pertain to legal immigrants, so I'm assuming that is what you were talking about with that part, right?
Yeah, that's right about ICE. They are actually working extensively with the states. AZ is actually the only state that they have ever refused to work with. They did empower Sheriff Arpaio to enforce immigration law under ICE authority for a while, but he badly abused the power with over the top racial profiling, and they had to strip him of that power. They had no choice. The constitution doesn't permit that kind of thing.
As for why they are taking states to court for trying to pass their own immigration laws, that is pretty straight forward. Immigration policy is federal. That principle is enshrined in the constitution. States can't just take over whatever areas of the law they want from the federal government just because they disagree with the policy or whatever. The president swears an oath to protect the constitution, and in my opinion anyways, if he just let immigration policy collapse into a mess of 50 different state policies, that would be a total failure to uphold that oath.
Yet the State passed laws mirror federal law, and does nothing to set new policy in regards to immigration.
and why does CA have so many illegal aliens, too many sanctuary cities maybe?
No, that's not true. In fact, that's exactly the analysis the court went through- going provision by provision and determining whether it differed from the federal policy. Most of it does. For example, it makes it illegal to apply for a job without having legal permission to work, where federal law only makes it illegal to hire somebody who doesn't have legal permission to work. It lowered the bar for when local cops can arrest someone for suspicion that they are not here legally. Etc.
Because it's a huge state with a large hispanic population immediately adjacent to some of the most populated parts of Mexico.
AZ actually has four sanctuary cities- Chandler, Mesa, Phoenix and Tucson.
Immigration in the 21st century:
I know this will shock and offend many of you but I'm asking if you will take the time to contemplate what I am saying with an open mind and weigh it against the consequencies of the present course of our nation and where it is taking us.
Immigration in the 21st century has become more complex than anytime during the 19th or 20th centuries, including during the two world wars. Besides being outdated, these old policies are a threat to freedom, the economy, public safety, US sovereignty, the American way of life and western civilization in general.
Besides the obvious dangers of WMDs and the negative light the US is now viewed in by many around the world, there are some other very real social factors we should take into consideration.
When The Declaration of Independence was ratified there was less than a billion people in the world. As of 10/30/2011 the world population hit the 7 billion mark and is snowballing.
To secure our way of life for the sake of our future generations, each of us must determine whether our priorities are owed to ourselves and our families or to international humanitarian and egalitarian duties.
The majority of new immigrants are fleeing poverty and considered a minority once in America. Their first election will expose them to a political party that makes promises to provide free services in exchange for their vote.
As the government provides more and more services it becomes neccessary to confiscate more and more of the peoples earnings and assets. This is called socialism. This is the future of our present immigration policy.
Taking into consideration the dangers ahead, which we are beginning to see the first signs of in the european nations, should the United States continue with it's outdated immigration standards and policies and non-existant border security?
Is it time we show the world that the US will no longer tolerate those who violate our laws by crossing our borders illegally or overstaying a temporary visa and then expecting and even demanding to be granted amnesty and citizinship?
Is it time that we begin scrutinizing more closely those who apply for citizenship by new updated standards to ensure we only get the best and the brightest and the healthiest, who will be an asset rather than a burden on our resources?
When determining who should be eligible for US citizenship should we consider factoring in such things such as; nation of origin/birth? race? religion? age? disabilities/physical and mental?
Should a new immigration slogan be adopted that reads:
Yes and the courts stuck down the provision in Alabama which requires legal immigrants to carry their greencard. Guess what , federal law requires that. I now have an opinion that some courts rulings are political.
Yes I know that AZ has some sanctuary cities. Doesn't help with illegal immigration does it?
Sure...and we need to stop paying unemployment and social services for those Americans that refuse to do those jobs.Yes, we indeed do need a new 21st century immigration policy.
We need one that makes it easier for immigrant migrant workers to come over and do the jobs that natives refuse to do.
Sure...and we need to stop paying unemployment and social services for those Americans that refuse to do those jobs.
Oh... but you are fine with bringing in slave labor??? Geezus, man...the duplicity some folks display on the whole immigration/social services thing...anything and everything to shoehorn things into your ideology.Sure...and we need to ensure that they get jobs that pay to a level of their education and gives them a livable wage so they don't have to get everything via debt.
Yes and the courts stuck down the provision in Alabama which requires legal immigrants to carry their greencard. Guess what , federal law requires that.
I now have an opinion that some courts rulings are political.
Oh... but you are fine with bringing in slave labor??? Geezus, man...the duplicity some folks display on the whole immigration/social services thing...anything and everything to shoehorn things into your ideology.
Hey brown people...you get to clean our **** for **** wages...howz that make you feel?
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