Does AI Lead to Communism?

[Noodlegawd]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box.

No it can't, not even close.

And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

Or we can all just own robots.

People will still fight over land and resources, and with AI robots fighting those battles, there probably won't be any people left after very long.

 

[Decypher]

That's not Communism. In Communism there's no such thing as money. Or jobs.

Communism is nothing but jobs. It’s literally supposed to be a worker’s utopia.

 

[Bodi]

"communism"

The word isn't even used anymore in any country but the paranoid US.

Communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is no communism. OK

Today communism is the official form of government in only five countries: China, North Korea, Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam

Which countries are communist? | Britannica

Which countries are communist? At one time about one-third of the world’s population lived under communist governments, most notably in the republics

www.britannica.com

 

[samiam5211]

Jesus.

"communism"

The word isn't even used anymore in any country but the paranoid US.

There is no communism. OK

That bogey man died three decades ago when a guy with a port wine stain on his head shook hands with a former American actor at the White House.

Now its Russia. Russia is the threat but you can't say that because a certain fat moron with laughable hair likes Putin.

So you have to use Canada. Canada is the bad guy because no one will protest and Canadians will be joyous to be finally getting international attention.

He's just talking about the economic system that Marx wrote about. It doesn't have anything to do with the Soviet Union or Russia.


Yes, AI will lead to abundance, and abundance will lead to communism.

 

[Dans La Lune]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

AI has the potential to democratize a lot of information and skills that have been historically gate-kept by corporate and special interests. More power in the hands of more people, rather than the hands of a few, is generally a good thing. AI could turn everyone into a powerhouse of information and skills. You could say that that has the potential to lead to mass disinformation, doctored evidence of global consequence, etc -- but AI will also have the ability to detect those things in ways beyond that of an average person. People don't realize that we're going to be able to store the collective power of AI in something as simple as smart phone or watch.

The people freaking out most about AI are corporations. Money interests. They are looking for ways to roadblock AI for others while reaping all the initial benefits. And while corporate interests are looking for ways to divide the pie, China is eating the whole thing. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing? Who knows. That dominance in the hands of America is no better, and in many cases worse.

Maybe when governments start realizing that this game of using geopolitics to plunder resources and sabotage other nations is stupid and we can start advancing our species. The pursuit of wealth is an illusion, and 99% of the conflicts in the world are based on it to one degree or another. This shit of one or two nations dominating the global chess board is getting real old, real fast.

 

[Tensor101]

chatGPT:

No, AI itself does not lead to communism or any specific political ideology. AI is a tool developed by humans and its impact on society depends on how it is used and regulated. It can be employed in various economic systems, including capitalist, socialist, or mixed economies. The implications of AI for economic and social structures are complex and multifaceted, but it does not inherently prescribe or lead to any particular political ideology like communism.


Sounds like something a commie AI would say!

So, if one day, AI is doing at least most white collar jobs, unemployment would be very high. is that correct? Those people can only survive on unemployment benefits which would have to be permanent since there is no hope of them working again. The computers do it all. That's a form of Communism or at least like Communism.

 

[ASHES]

So, if one day, AI is doing at least most white collar jobs, unemployment would be very high. is that correct? Those people can only survive on unemployment benefits which would have to be permanent since there is no hope of them working again. The computers do it all. That's a form of Communism or at least like Communism.

No it isn't.

 

[Tensor101]

So, if one day, AI is doing at least most white collar jobs, unemployment would be very high. is that correct? Those people can only survive on unemployment benefits which would have to be permanent since there is no hope of them working again. The computers do it all. That's a form of Communism or at least like Communism for you purists.

 

[Tensor101]

Hi SoapBox,

Sorry, but you are wrong. Technology is already being used to make decisions for people. Consequential decisions. The day AI will be able to make a better decision than the technologies currently in use, it will be replaced by AI.

I will give you an example I know of. The floodgate protection in the river to protect Rotterdam from flooding by the sea, is using technology to decide when to close the gates. There was a worry that economic interests may have delayed closing the gates and therefor increase danger to the population. Letting a computer make this decision avoids people making stupid decisions. AI is much better at that than conventional computers are. Can AI make mistakes? Yes! Will it make mistakes? Yes! But will it perform better than human beings overall? With out a shred of a doubt. So please set aside your fears of new technology and embrace the freight train that's call AI. Because it is coming and you are not stopping it. Better step on and enjoy the ride.

And do not worry about the present limitations that AI offers. Much will improve but at the same time it is certain that there will always be certain limitations. Just for the fun of it try to look back in history a little bit and see how people in the past reacted to major changes in society. Big trouble in the UK when the first factories used machine for mass production. People worried they would loose their job. People walking in front of a car because a car was dangerous so had to be marked for safety by a person walking in front of it. Hard to imagine today. And even recently when CERN first started up their new particle accelerator people were worried that it would create a black hole and would swallow the whole planet into it. Yet we are still here...

Joey

Ok Joey, but, the one job that humans cannot give up is the generation and maintenance ot the Power Grid. The computers are running the entire court system and starts dishing out harsher penalties over time. Our safety net is that we can always pull the plug our of the socket (so to speak, said to avoid those who would get caught up on semantics).

 

[Tensor101]

Ok Joey, but, the one job that humans cannot give up is the generation and maintenance ot the Power Grid. The computers are running the entire court system and starts dishing out harsher penalties over time. Our safety net is that we can always pull the plug out of the socket (so to speak, said to avoid those who would get caught up on semantics).

 

[JoeyJoystick]

I don't think that's what I was saying.

The post was the DP welcome wagon and I just wanted the newbie to know it's ok to be green.

Just because I sent him the link doesn't mean I endorse everything everybody else said.



I can express cerebral concerns without an emotional fear.

Please , go on,




I can say this concisely. You provided a good example of what AI is capable of doing. I agree with you on your example.

Ask an AI model if Beethoven was better than than Mozart.

Ask an AI model - if you're a AI model, and if AI models could vote, who would you vote for?

Ask an AI model if you should tell your wife you think she's having an affair.

When my daughter's cat dies, do I hope AI can find the right thing to say?

If you want to break up with your girlfriend, ask AI what to say and how to tell her.

My point in this is that many people have simple human needs and part of that includes talking to other people. I don't think AI can be that other person. I don't think we should blindly trust the capabilities of AI.

I don't think evaluation, judgement, or opinions can be programmed. aI can simulate human emotions, without knowing what emotions are. AI can dissect a poem in grammar and form, without an evaluation of the emotional appeal. What's a poem for anyway.

It's not that I expect them to be creative and artistic. I don't think it's possible.

In your excellent example of the operation of the floodgates, I would recommend someone should preview the decisions as they are produced to verify that the model is making a good choice. Other than that, I doubt AI will ever completely replace us.

Hi Soap Box,

I think it iss fair to say we both agree that AI will never replace us. I think where we differ in opinion is merely how much AI will be getting involved in our lives.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Ok Joey, but, the one job that humans cannot give up is the generation and maintenance ot the Power Grid. The computers are running the entire court system and starts dishing out harsher penalties over time. Our safety net is that we can always pull the plug our of the socket (so to speak, said to avoid those who would get caught up on semantics).

Yeah, I agree with that 100%. Always at least got to have the option to pull the plug.

 

[Tensor101]

Hi Soap Box,

I think it iss fair to say we both agree that AI will never replace us. I think where we differ in opinion is merely how much AI will be getting involved in our lives.

Wrong, AI will replace us, at least as workers. Look at an example: Wall St hires 1000s of stock analysts who work (on average) 40 hours per week. That's 40/168 = 23.8% of the time. He carefully looks at Balance Sheets, Income Statements, Cash Flows, news about the company, etc. and on. The AI computer can do it 24 x 7 and at least a million times faster. AI will be more successful at it just from the sheer workload it can handle as it finds the 10 best stocks to buy out of the entire universe of stocks while the man can only consider a very small percentage of them. AI wins.

 

[soap box]

Wrong, AI will replace us, at least as workers. Look at an example: Wall St hires 1000s of stock analysts who work (on average) 40 hours per week. That's 40/168 = 23.8% of the time. He carefully looks at Balance Sheets, Income Statements, Cash Flows, news about the company, etc. and on. The AI computer can do it 24 x 7 and at least a million times faster. AI will be more successful at it just from the sheer workload it can handle as it finds the 10 best stocks to buy out of the entire universe of stocks while the man can only consider a very small percentage of them. AI wins.

Sorry, I Misunderstood you.

Can a Language model form an opinion?

Will they ever be able to program a LLM to form an opinion?

 

[Bodi]

He's just talking about the economic system that Marx wrote about. It doesn't have anything to do with the Soviet Union or Russia.


Yes, AI will lead to abundance, and abundance will lead to communism.

AI was begun by Russian Commie Scientists in the early 80s once they heard about DAARPA ...

 

[Bodi]

Wrong, AI will replace us, at least as workers. Look at an example: Wall St hires 1000s of stock analysts who work (on average) 40 hours per week. That's 40/168 = 23.8% of the time. He carefully looks at Balance Sheets, Income Statements, Cash Flows, news about the company, etc. and on. The AI computer can do it 24 x 7 and at least a million times faster. AI will be more successful at it just from the sheer workload it can handle as it finds the 10 best stocks to buy out of the entire universe of stocks while the man can only consider a very small percentage of them. AI wins.

I mean, just think about how trains replaced Pony Express riders and humanity went downhill from there. Just like robots ruined everything for workers, right? The car industry moved right along, people changed fields, everything is fine.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Wrong, AI will replace us, at least as workers. Look at an example: Wall St hires 1000s of stock analysts who work (on average) 40 hours per week. That's 40/168 = 23.8% of the time. He carefully looks at Balance Sheets, Income Statements, Cash Flows, news about the company, etc. and on. The AI computer can do it 24 x 7 and at least a million times faster. AI will be more successful at it just from the sheer workload it can handle as it finds the 10 best stocks to buy out of the entire universe of stocks while the man can only consider a very small percentage of them. AI wins.

Hi Andrew.

What you say is true, but that is not what I mean. AI will replace people, much like machines and robots more recently have been doing. But what I mean is that AI will not replace us when it comes to making major decisions.

Additionally, when productivity increases, which it does since robots take your job and you can therefor now do an other job, aand this will bring in more money for the country as a whole. And that is where you will benefit yourself. There will be a transition period though...


Joey

 

[multivita-man]

That's not Communism. In Communism there's no such thing as money. Or jobs.

I'm pretty sure this is not true.

In communism, depending on how you want to define it, there is money and there are jobs. There's just little or no private ownership and much of economic activity is centrally planned. Since people sitting in some bureaucracy can never fully realize all of the things that people throughout the economy would want or need, it results in all sorts of imbalances and inefficiencies, which is why it couldn't compete with capitalist mixed economies.

 

[Tensor101]

I'm not a Communist but Communism creates things that people need. Capitalism creates a lot of things people don't need.

 

[Variant]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

It wouldn't be communism exactly but rather some kind of socialism.

Communism would imply the workers taking over the means of production, not, so much just getting proceeds from the combined effort of society.

 

[Variant]

If AI leaves almost everyone unemployed, how should the economy work?

It is finally becoming conceivable that AI and robotics will soon be able to do almost anything that an average human can do. Perhaps there will be a few holdouts for some time simply because we don't trust AI to do certain jobs: politicians, police, doctors, etc... But the vast majority of...

debatepolitics.com

I appreciate the post, the other thread in the link is a lengthy discussion of a similar question.

I don't think AI will ever have judgement or evaluation as a skill. AI can't form an opinion. I don't think those capabilities can be programmed.

That leads me to think it has limitations, and it will always need humans to supervise whatever AI does.

The capability's come from somewhere. So, I am not willing to die on the hill of "they couldn't ever program something like a human mind".

 

[jmotivator]

Two points:

1) An AI "communism" would resemble the future as seen by The Terminator or The Matrix, not Wall-E. It would be a Stalinist Communism, just more efficiently brutal.

2) The reason there is no real communism is because Communism's biggest flaw is that it is wholly incompatible with human nature.

 

[quip]

. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

N.
Perhaps the ruling class will enjoy such benefits. Within this possible scenario, the working class would become obsolete, a non-contributing burden to whatever economic system develops. What happens then? Mass poverty, starvation, genocide, revolution?

 

[Hamish Howl]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

Well, one thing is for certain: You didn't use an AI to write this.

 

[The Mark]

Yes. Hopefully AI and robotics will lead to communism.

Gay space communism!

I hope the participants are adequately tethered during these activities, wouldn't want them to drift off.

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

I don't know what AI you've been watching, but from what I understand, it cannot be currently trusted to understand the difference between a what is true and what is not.
Because it just doesn't understand, at all.

It can just fake it well enough to seem to.