Does AI Lead to Communism?

[Tensor101]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

 

[The Stars Tremble]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

Yes. Hopefully AI and robotics will lead to communism.

Gay space communism!

 

[soap box]

If AI leaves almost everyone unemployed, how should the economy work?

It is finally becoming conceivable that AI and robotics will soon be able to do almost anything that an average human can do. Perhaps there will be a few holdouts for some time simply because we don't trust AI to do certain jobs: politicians, police, doctors, etc... But the vast majority of...

debatepolitics.com

I appreciate the post, the other thread in the link is a lengthy discussion of a similar question.

I don't think AI will ever have judgement or evaluation as a skill. AI can't form an opinion. I don't think those capabilities can be programmed.

That leads me to think it has limitations, and it will always need humans to supervise whatever AI does.

 

[Ginger Ale]

We might need Universal Income but that will feed innovation. Believe it or not, humans work, aided or not. UBI should already be in place for the homeless if we were a decent community. IMO.

Communism nah, more of a social democracy.

 

[ASHES]

chatGPT:

No, AI itself does not lead to communism or any specific political ideology. AI is a tool developed by humans and its impact on society depends on how it is used and regulated. It can be employed in various economic systems, including capitalist, socialist, or mixed economies. The implications of AI for economic and social structures are complex and multifaceted, but it does not inherently prescribe or lead to any particular political ideology like communism.


Sounds like something a commie AI would say!

 

[eman623]

That's not Communism. In Communism there's no such thing as money. Or jobs.

 

[Jason Warfield]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

Well, no, not at the moment.

AI is not where you feel it is. In time, yes, and that is something to discuss.

But communism will not be result. Simply because AI’s are already trademarked and corporate owned, or the creator has an IP copyright at the very least.

That means profits will go to the company as usual as they own the AI outright. There is no need to share profit.

I should also note that communism is not what you are referring to; it’s socialism. When government directs what is earned out of a free market economy to various persons, that is socialism.

Communsism calls for the abolishment of all markets and currencies of any kind. Communism is about each to their own needs and ability…so the less work you do the less society should provide for you. It’s one of those weird, unintentional connections to modern conservatism.

 

[mrjurrs]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

These guys all had jobs.

 

[Fearandloathing]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

Jesus.

"communism"

The word isn't even used anymore in any country but the paranoid US.

There is no communism. OK

That bogey man died three decades ago when a guy with a port wine stain on his head shook hands with a former American actor at the White House.

Now its Russia. Russia is the threat but you can't say that because a certain fat moron with laughable hair likes Putin.

So you have to use Canada. Canada is the bad guy because no one will protest and Canadians will be joyous to be finally getting international attention.

 

[eman623]

These guys all had jobs.
View attachment 67516240

They are all AI robots.

The real Kirk, Spock, McCoy etc are on Risa drinking Klingon raktachinos and playing poker with Will Riker.

Little known fact that wasn't mentioned in the series.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

AI can't do every white-collar job, but it can help you write more coherent posts. For example:

AI technology is rapidly advancing and has the potential to perform various white-collar jobs. As automation progresses, manual labor may remain as the primary form of employment resistant to AI, but even these jobs could eventually be performed by robots. This could lead to significant unemployment, prompting governments to consider redistributing wealth generated by automated industries. This scenario envisions a future where humans enjoy leisure activities, supported by the economic changes brought about by AI and robotics. Does this reflect your view? Yes or No?

 

[Felis Leo]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do.

Not really. If one takes law as an example, some attorneys have been severely disciplined for using AI to do their legal research because the AI programs simply made up cases and legal precedent out of whole cloth to support their arguments. Much to the presiding judge's chagrin.

But, robots that can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%.

If that happened, who would these companies be producing and selling their goods and services to if everyone is out of a job? Perhaps someone has a more well-developed theory, but without further explanation at a certain point, the companies would be collectively putting themselves out of business because the robots do not earn wages to purchase goods and services for themselves. Rendering everyone jobless would quickly eliminate the revenue streams.

So, the government will have to tax these robot companies

Yes, but if literally everyone is out of a job and we reached 100% unemployment, what money would these companies be making to tax?

and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

I'm not sure. The idea of every form of human endeavor, not simply labor, being outdone by a machine seems rather depressing.

 

[Real blank]

Communism doesn’t even lead to communism

 

[Bodi]

AI can do any white collar job right now right out of the box. And it will start doing that
very soon. The only safe jobs are those that require manual labor to do. But, robots that
can do those too are not too far behind. That means nobody will be able to work and
unemployment will be 100%. So, the government will have to tax these robot companies
and then divde the proceeds among people. That's Communism. But, humans will have
a nice easy life playing tennis, poker, and drinking pina coladas by the pool. Life's good.
Y/N?

I initially thought that this thread was created by @Grandpappy...

Commie AI is the new threat now that we have dealt with the monkeys.

 

[Bodi]

These guys all had jobs.
View attachment 67516240

So did the humans in this picture....



Oh wait... the humans are all dead.

 

[Real blank]

Jesus.

"communism"

The word isn't even used anymore in any country but the paranoid US.

There is no communism. OK

That bogey man died three decades ago when a guy with a port wine stain on his head shook hands with a former American actor at the White House.

Now its Russia. Russia is the threat but you can't say that because a certain fat moron with laughable hair likes Putin.

So you have to use Canada. Canada is the bad guy because no one will protest and Canadians will be joyous to be finally getting international attention.

Are you seriously saying there is no communists or at least wannabes?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Are you seriously saying there is no communists or at least wannabes?

Yes.

At least not as a realistic force or threat to anyone but paranoid Tories

 

[Real blank]

Yes.

At least not as a realistic force or threat to anyone but paranoid Tories

Same with nazis

 

[Gatsby]

It won't be communism in the old-school sense...but the economic system in the wake of AI probably will look a lot like something we might call communism. Collective ownership of the means of production, and each citizen living off a UBI and universal health care. Ideally the government wouldn't be a price-setting, repressive leviathan...it would just have a bureaucratic office quietly distributing unconditional UBI checks in the amount we voted for, similar to the SSA.

I see the potential for it to be either utopian or dystopian. But I don't see any other plausible alternative right now. (Maybe there are some alternatives...but I can't imagine them.)

 

[OpportunityCost]

Yes.

At least not as a realistic force or threat to anyone but paranoid Tories

Or, you know, Taiwan.

 

[Gatsby]

Jesus.

"communism"

The word isn't even used anymore in any country but the paranoid US.

There is no communism. OK

That bogey man died three decades ago when a guy with a port wine stain on his head shook hands with a former American actor at the White House.

Uhh the second-largest economy in the world (largest economy by some measures) is led by the Communist Party. The word isn't used anywhere outside of the US? What are you talking about?

Now its Russia. Russia is the threat but you can't say that because a certain fat moron with laughable hair likes Putin.

Russia is a client state of China. An actual communist country.

So you have to use Canada. Canada is the bad guy because no one will protest and Canadians will be joyous to be finally getting international attention.

Who said anything about Canada?

OP's question is fair. If AI replaces jobs, producing an age of material abundance while the value of human labor falls to near-zero, then it's reasonable to speculate what kind of economy that might necessitate.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

If AI leaves almost everyone unemployed, how should the economy work?

It is finally becoming conceivable that AI and robotics will soon be able to do almost anything that an average human can do. Perhaps there will be a few holdouts for some time simply because we don't trust AI to do certain jobs: politicians, police, doctors, etc... But the vast majority of...

debatepolitics.com

I appreciate the post, the other thread in the link is a lengthy discussion of a similar question.

I don't think AI will ever have judgement or evaluation as a skill. AI can't form an opinion. I don't think those capabilities can be programmed.

That leads me to think it has limitations, and it will always need humans to supervise whatever AI does.

Hi SoapBox,

Sorry, but you are wrong. Technology is already being used to make decisions for people. Consequential decisions. The day AI will be able to make a better decision than the technologies currently in use, it will be replaced by AI.

I will give you an example I know of. The floodgate protection in the river to protect Rotterdam from flooding by the sea, is using technology to decide when to close the gates. There was a worry that economic interests may have delayed closing the gates and therefor increase danger to the population. Letting a computer make this decision avoids people making stupid decisions. AI is much better at that than conventional computers are. Can AI make mistakes? Yes! Will it make mistakes? Yes! But will it perform better than human beings overall? With out a shred of a doubt. So please set aside your fears of new technology and embrace the freight train that's call AI. Because it is coming and you are not stopping it. Better step on and enjoy the ride.

And do not worry about the present limitations that AI offers. Much will improve but at the same time it is certain that there will always be certain limitations. Just for the fun of it try to look back in history a little bit and see how people in the past reacted to major changes in society. Big trouble in the UK when the first factories used machine for mass production. People worried they would loose their job. People walking in front of a car because a car was dangerous so had to be marked for safety by a person walking in front of it. Hard to imagine today. And even recently when CERN first started up their new particle accelerator people were worried that it would create a black hole and would swallow the whole planet into it. Yet we are still here...

Joey

 

[soap box]

Hi SoapBox,

Sorry, but you are wrong. Technology is already being used to make decisions for people. Consequential decisions. The day AI will be able to make a better decision than the technologies currently in use, it will be replaced by AI.

I will give you an example I know of. The floodgate protection in the river to protect Rotterdam from flooding by the sea, is using technology to decide when to close the gates. There was a worry that economic interests may have delayed closing the gates and therefor increase danger to the population. Letting a computer make this decision avoids people making stupid decisions. AI is much better at that than conventional computers are. Can AI make mistakes? Yes! Will it make mistakes? Yes! But will it perform better than human beings overall? With out a shred of a doubt.

I don't think that's what I was saying.

The post was the DP welcome wagon and I just wanted the newbie to know it's ok to be green.

Just because I sent him the link doesn't mean I endorse everything everybody else said.

So please set aside your fears of new technology and embrace the freight train that's call AI.

I can express cerebral concerns without an emotional fear.

Please , go on,

Because it is coming and you are not stopping it. Better step on and enjoy the ride.

And do not worry about the present limitations that AI offers. Much will improve but at the same time it is certain that there will always be certain limitations. Just for the fun of it try to look back in history a little bit and see how people in the past reacted to major changes in society. Big trouble in the UK when the first factories used machine for mass production. People worried they would loose their job. People walking in front of a car because a car was dangerous so had to be marked for safety by a person walking in front of it. Hard to imagine today. And even recently when CERN first started up their new particle accelerator people were worried that it would create a black hole and would swallow the whole planet into it. Yet we are still here...

Joey

I can say this concisely. You provided a good example of what AI is capable of doing. I agree with you on your example.

Ask an AI model if Beethoven was better than than Mozart.

Ask an AI model - if you're a AI model, and if AI models could vote, who would you vote for?

Ask an AI model if you should tell your wife you think she's having an affair.

When my daughter's cat dies, do I hope AI can find the right thing to say?

If you want to break up with your girlfriend, ask AI what to say and how to tell her.

My point in this is that many people have simple human needs and part of that includes talking to other people. I don't think AI can be that other person. I don't think we should blindly trust the capabilities of AI.

I don't think evaluation, judgement, or opinions can be programmed. aI can simulate human emotions, without knowing what emotions are. AI can dissect a poem in grammar and form, without an evaluation of the emotional appeal. What's a poem for anyway.

It's not that I expect them to be creative and artistic. I don't think it's possible.

In your excellent example of the operation of the floodgates, I would recommend someone should preview the decisions as they are produced to verify that the model is making a good choice. Other than that, I doubt AI will ever completely replace us.

 

[exoplanet]

AI can't do every white-collar job, but it can help you write more coherent posts. For example:

AI technology is rapidly advancing and has the potential to perform various white-collar jobs. As automation progresses, manual labor may remain as the primary form of employment resistant to AI, but even these jobs could eventually be performed by robots. This could lead to significant unemployment, prompting governments to consider redistributing wealth generated by automated industries. This scenario envisions a future where humans enjoy leisure activities, supported by the economic changes brought about by AI and robotics. Does this reflect your view? Yes or No?

At the moment, it still can't. But most white collar jobs have been made more efficient overnight. If your job involves reading/writing a lot of emails/reports/documents/etc..., I think you can expect to be doing a co-worker's job as well fairly soon (or get laid off). If the main requirement for your job is command of documented (or documentable) knowledge, your job just got a lot easier and your value just went way down. For some jobs like programming, it's like having an incredibly fast junior staff member. They still require micromanagement, but if you aren't getting a 20% speed boost out of it, you're probably doing it wrong. It's possible that cultural workplace resistance ( e.g. what's chatGPT?) or cautious corporate policies will slow it down enough for the economy to adjust, but I think it has the potential to cause widespread unemployment that will happen fast enough to cause a depression-level shock to the economy. That's assuming that there is no further progress in AI, which is probably a poor assumption to make at this point.

 

[LouC]

Does AI Lead to Communism?​

Yes!

I used some AI poop to fertilize my garden and the next day I went out to water it and there were little Mao's popping up all over the place!!!