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DoD Report Appears to Confirm Downing Street Memo

Did you say something?

Doesn't matter if it was .oooo1%. We helped them gas the Iranians and the Kurds after we knew they were making the gas. We even blocked a UN Resolution to condemn Iraq for making the gas after we showed them how.

Watcha got to say to that, bee-otch!

I have to say that we provided dual use chemicals with legitimate agriculutural applications all of which were legal under international law, it was the French and the Germans that provided Iraq with the technological expertise, as well as, the weapons plants which turned these benign and legal chemicals into lethal and illegal WMD we gave them no technological know how that is a blatant lie on your part.

In the early 1970s, Saddam Hussein ordered the creation of a clandestine nuclear weapons program.[4] Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs were assisted by a wide variety of firms and governments in the 1970s and 1980s. [5][6][7][8][9] As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kobe helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, tabun, sarin, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. Five other German firms supplied equipment to manfacture botulin toxin and mycotoxin for germ warfare. In 1988, German engineers presented centrifuge data that helped Iraq expand its nuclear weapons program. Laboratory equipment and other information was provided, involving many German engineers. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin. The State Establishment for Pesticide Production (SEPP) ordered culture media and incubators from Germany's Water Engineering Trading.[10]

Iraq's chemical weapons program was mainly assisted by German companies such as Karl Kobe, which built a chemical weapons facility disguised as a pesticide plant. Iraq’s foreign contractors, including Karl Kolb with Massar for reinforcement, built five large research laboratories, an administrative building, eight large underground bunkers for the storage of chemical munitions, and the first production buildings. 150 tons of mustard were produced in 1983. About 60 tons of Tabun were produced in 1984. Pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984.[17] Germany also supplied reactors, heat exchangers, condensors and vessels. France, Austria, Canada, and Spain provided similar equipment.[18]

France built Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in the late 1970s. Israel claimed that Iraq was getting close to building nuclear weapons, and so bombed it in 1981. Later, a French company built a turnkey factory which helped make nuclear fuel. France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. Strains of dual-use biological material also helped advance Iraq’s biological warfare program.

Italy gave Iraq plutonium extraction facilities that advanced Iraq’s nuclear weapon program. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. Between 1979 and 1982 Italy gave depleted, natural, and low-enriched uranium. Swiss companies aided in Iraq’s nuclear weapons development in the form of specialized presses, milling machines, grinding machines, electrical discharge machines, and equipment for processing uranium to nuclear weapon grade. Brazil secretly aided the Iraqi nuclear weapon program by supplying natural uranium dioxide between 1981 and 1982 without notifying the IAEA. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil.

Furthermore; we provided far less chemicals than most countries involved.

In December 2002, Iraq's 1,200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Eastern and Western corporations and countries, as well as individuals, that exported a total of 17,602 tons of chemical precursors to Iraq in the past two decades. By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and Federal Republic of Germany(1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, Sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.


According to Iraq's declarations, it had procured 340 pieces of equipment used for the production of chemical weapons. More than half came from Germany, the remainder mostly from France, Spain, and Austria. [6] In addition, Iraq declared that it imported more than 200,000 munitions made for delivering chemicals, 75,000 came fron Italy, 57,500 from Spain, 45,000 from China, and 28,500 from Egypt. [7]

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The U.S. doesn't even rate, so watcha got to say to that, bee-otch?!
 
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"The CIA described the coup plan as “quasi-legal,” referring to the fact that the shah legally dismissed Mossadeq but presumably acknowledging that he did not do so on his own initiative."
Electronic Briefing Book: The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup

"Perhaps the most general conclusion that can be drawn from these documents is that the CIA extensively stage-managed the entire coup, not only carrying it out but also preparing the groundwork for it by subordinating various important Iranian political actors and using propaganda and other instruments to influence public opinion against Mossadeq."
Electronic Briefing Book: The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup

Essentially, the West fomented the crisis that led to the dismissal of Mossadeq and turned a constitutional monarchy into an absolute monarchy.

Umm no, the Shah did not dissolve parliament or scrap the Iranian Constitution, he infact preserved the Constitutional Monarchy which Mossadegh was attempting to abolish, it was Mossadegh who dissolved parliament, said to hell with the Constitution, and granted himself dictatorial powers.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Umm no, the Shah did not dissolve parliament or scrap the Iranian Constitution, he infact preserved the Constitutional Monarchy which Mossadegh was attempting to abolish, it was Mossadegh who dissolved parliament, said to hell with the Constitution, and granted himself dictatorial powers.
How's that foot taste?

Sometimes you should do your homework before you post!
 
Originally posted by TOT:
The U.S. doesn't even rate, so watcha got to say to that, bee-otch?!
No one is disputing this!

You're running around like chicken with it's head cut off
trying to find an argument you can win!

This is too funny...
 
How's that foot taste?

Sometimes you should do your homework before you post!

Done my research everything I said was true. Mossadegh was the tyrant, the Shah was a staunch ally who modernized the Iranian economy and instituted equal suffrage for all Iranian citizens including women.
 
No one is disputing this!

You're running around like chicken with it's head cut off
trying to find an argument you can win!

This is too funny...

You disputed it:

Billo said:
That's some .5%!

Again we did not aid Saddam in producing WMD that was a blatant lie on your part, the only thing we provided was legal dual use chemicals which had legitimate agricultural applications, it was the French and Germans, who gave him the technological expertise to turn these benign and legal chemicals into lethal and illegal WMD.
 
Umm no, the Shah did not dissolve parliament or scrap the Iranian Constitution, he infact preserved the Constitutional Monarchy which Mossadegh was attempting to abolish, it was Mossadegh who dissolved parliament, said to hell with the Constitution, and granted himself dictatorial powers.

Dissolved Parliment eh? Granted himself dictatorial powers eh? Just how did he manage to achieve these things?
 
Dissolved Parliment eh? Granted himself dictatorial powers eh? Just how did he manage to achieve these things?

He was appointed Prime Minister by the Shah and used his position to do these things through popular referendum of the uninformed masses using fraudulent elections kind of like Hugo Chavez. Regardless it was the Shah's perogative to dismiss Mossadegh at his leisure.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Again we did not aid Saddam in producing WMD that was a blatant lie on your part, the only thing we provided was legal dual use chemicals which had legitimate agricultural applications, it was the French and Germans, who gave him the technological expertise to turn these benign and legal chemicals into lethal and illegal WMD.
You must really like the taste of your own feet.

Toe-ala-TOT!

It's all in my post above. It's a matter of public record.

Check it out after you de-orbit...
 
You must really like the taste of your own feet.

Toe-ala-TOT!

It's all in my post above. It's a matter of public record.

Check it out after you de-orbit...

Yes it is a matter of public record it's in my post that doesn't rely on a site entitled "IranChamber.com," the U.S. had 0 involvement in Iraq's WMD outside of providing legal and benign chemicals far less than most countries as a matter of fact, here it is again in case you missed it the first time:

In the early 1970s, Saddam Hussein ordered the creation of a clandestine nuclear weapons program. [4] Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs were assisted by a wide variety of firms and governments in the 1970s and 1980s. [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kobe helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, tabun, sarin, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. Five other German firms supplied equipment to manfacture botulin toxin and mycotoxin for germ warfare. In 1988, German engineers presented centrifuge data that helped Iraq expand its nuclear weapons program. Laboratory equipment and other information was provided, involving many German engineers. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin. The State Establishment for Pesticide Production (SEPP) ordered culture media and incubators from Germany's Water Engineering Trading. [10]

Iraq's chemical weapons program was mainly assisted by German companies such as Karl Kobe, which built a chemical weapons facility disguised as a pesticide plant. Iraq’s foreign contractors, including Karl Kolb with Massar for reinforcement, built five large research laboratories, an administrative building, eight large underground bunkers for the storage of chemical munitions, and the first production buildings. 150 tons of mustard were produced in 1983. About 60 tons of Tabun were produced in 1984. Pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984. [17] Germany also supplied reactors, heat exchangers, condensors and vessels. France, Austria, Canada, and Spain provided similar equipment. [18]

France built Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in the late 1970s. Israel claimed that Iraq was getting close to building nuclear weapons, and so bombed it in 1981. Later, a French company built a turnkey factory which helped make nuclear fuel. France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. Strains of dual-use biological material also helped advance Iraq’s biological warfare program.

Italy gave Iraq plutonium extraction facilities that advanced Iraq’s nuclear weapon program. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. Between 1979 and 1982 Italy gave depleted, natural, and low-enriched uranium. Swiss companies aided in Iraq’s nuclear weapons development in the form of specialized presses, milling machines, grinding machines, electrical discharge machines, and equipment for processing uranium to nuclear weapon grade. Brazil secretly aided the Iraqi nuclear weapon program by supplying natural uranium dioxide between 1981 and 1982 without notifying the IAEA. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil.

Furthermore; we provided far less chemicals than most countries involved.

In December 2002, Iraq's 1,200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Eastern and Western corporations and countries, as well as individuals, that exported a total of 17,602 tons of chemical precursors to Iraq in the past two decades. By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and Federal Republic of Germany(1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, Sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.


According to Iraq's declarations, it had procured 340 pieces of equipment used for the production of chemical weapons. More than half came from Germany, the remainder mostly from France, Spain, and Austria. [6] In addition, Ira1 declared that it imported more than 200,000 munitions made for delivering chemicals, 75,000 came fron Italy, 57,500 from Spain, 45,000 from China, and 28,500 from Egypt. [7]

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He was appointed Prime Minister by the Shah and used his position to do these things through popular referendum of the uninformed masses using fraudulent elections kind of like Hugo Chavez. Regardless it was the Shah's perogative to dismiss Mossadegh at his leisure.

Funny how you refuse so far to go into detail about how he achieved these things.
 
See <Iran-Contra>

For about 60 or 80 posts now I've been waiting for you or Stinger to bring this up claiming it was US support of Iran. Stinger did provide a link that went in that direction, but didn't say Iran-Contra outright.

The Iran Contra deal was our support to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war...?...?!?...

Wasn't that scam illegal? Didn't President Reagan claim complete ignorance of it? Because he sure wasn't ignorant of our Iraq support. That was his baby. Since you're quibbling over .5%, what percentage of Iran's arms did Iran-Contra contribute? And, wasn't that quid pro quo? Didn't we receive a consideration in exchange for what we gave Iran, and both parties thereby enjoyed a perfectly good illegal business deal, rather than the US /Iraq lie-down-with-dogs type military support? And didn't we illegally give that consideration to the Contras? So we were for Iraq, for Iran, and for the Contras? We were for everybody! No matter what happened, it was a win/win, win/win, win/win/win, win/win! As Louie Armstrong sang, "What a wooooonnnnderful world."

I tell you, Ollie North, that poor pawn of a clerk, will not appreciate that you think he aided Iran. He wore his uniform through the hearings, so you know he once was a soldier, yet you say he participated in an illegal deal! You know he was once a soldier! TOT, you don't support the troops!!!

Very sad.
 
Originally posted by Eagle1:
Funny how you refuse so far to go into detail about how he achieved these things.
That's the Legend of TOT!
 
Originally posted by tryreading
You know he was once a soldier! TOT, you don't support the troops!!!
TOT's just a arm-chair army guy!
 
For about 60 or 80 posts now I've been waiting for you or Stinger to bring this up claiming it was US support of Iran. Stinger did provide a link that went in that direction, but didn't say Iran-Contra outright.

The Iran Contra deal was our support to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war...?...?!?...

Wasn't that scam illegal? Didn't President Reagan claim complete ignorance of it? Because he sure wasn't ignorant of our Iraq support. That was his baby. Since you're quibbling over .5%, what percentage of Iran's arms did Iran-Contra contribute? And, wasn't that quid pro quo? Didn't we receive a consideration in exchange for what we gave Iran, and both parties thereby enjoyed a perfectly good illegal business deal, rather than the US /Iraq lie-down-with-dogs type military support? And didn't we illegally give that consideration to the Contras? So we were for Iraq, for Iran, and for the Contras? We were for everybody! No matter what happened, it was a win/win, win/win, win/win/win, win/win! As Louie Armstrong sang, "What a wooooonnnnderful world."

I tell you, Ollie North, that poor pawn of a clerk, will not appreciate that you think he aided Iran. He wore his uniform through the hearings, so you know he once was a soldier, yet you say he participated in an illegal deal! You know he was once a soldier! TOT, you don't support the troops!!!

How sad.

A) We profited from the sales to Iraq as well, for example the sale of the agricultural chemicals and the loan that was used to build the oil pipeline through Jordan which was built by a U.S. firm.

B) I have no problem what so ever about funding the Contras they were freedom fighters against the tyrannical and genocidal Sandinista regime.
 
Funny how you refuse so far to go into detail about how he achieved these things.

Told you already; through popular referendum and fraudulent elections, big wup it's like saying it would be alright for Bush to dissolve Congress and grant himself dictatorial powers if he could get enough of the people to vote for it. The Shah in effect preserved the Constitutional Monarch of Iran.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Told you already; through popular referendum and fraudulent elections, big wup it's like saying it would be alright for Bush to dissolve Congress and grant himself dictatorial powers if he could get enough of the people to vote for it. The Shah in effect preserved the Constitutional Monarch of Iran.
He already got that with the MCA!
 
Yes it is a matter of public record it's in my post that doesn't rely on a site entitled "IranChamber.com," the U.S. had 0 involvement in Iraq's WMD outside of providing legal and benign chemicals far less than most countries as a matter of fact, here it is again in case you missed it the first time:

In the early 1970s, Saddam Hussein ordered the creation of a clandestine nuclear weapons program. [4] Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs were assisted by a wide variety of firms and governments in the 1970s and 1980s. [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kobe helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, tabun, sarin, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. Five other German firms supplied equipment to manfacture botulin toxin and mycotoxin for germ warfare. In 1988, German engineers presented centrifuge data that helped Iraq expand its nuclear weapons program. Laboratory equipment and other information was provided, involving many German engineers. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin. The State Establishment for Pesticide Production (SEPP) ordered culture media and incubators from Germany's Water Engineering Trading. [10]

Iraq's chemical weapons program was mainly assisted by German companies such as Karl Kobe, which built a chemical weapons facility disguised as a pesticide plant. Iraq’s foreign contractors, including Karl Kolb with Massar for reinforcement, built five large research laboratories, an administrative building, eight large underground bunkers for the storage of chemical munitions, and the first production buildings. 150 tons of mustard were produced in 1983. About 60 tons of Tabun were produced in 1984. Pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984. [17] Germany also supplied reactors, heat exchangers, condensors and vessels. France, Austria, Canada, and Spain provided similar equipment. [18]

France built Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in the late 1970s. Israel claimed that Iraq was getting close to building nuclear weapons, and so bombed it in 1981. Later, a French company built a turnkey factory which helped make nuclear fuel. France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. Strains of dual-use biological material also helped advance Iraq’s biological warfare program.

Italy gave Iraq plutonium extraction facilities that advanced Iraq’s nuclear weapon program. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. Between 1979 and 1982 Italy gave depleted, natural, and low-enriched uranium. Swiss companies aided in Iraq’s nuclear weapons development in the form of specialized presses, milling machines, grinding machines, electrical discharge machines, and equipment for processing uranium to nuclear weapon grade. Brazil secretly aided the Iraqi nuclear weapon program by supplying natural uranium dioxide between 1981 and 1982 without notifying the IAEA. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil.

Furthermore; we provided far less chemicals than most countries involved.

In December 2002, Iraq's 1,200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Eastern and Western corporations and countries, as well as individuals, that exported a total of 17,602 tons of chemical precursors to Iraq in the past two decades. By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and Federal Republic of Germany(1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, Sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.


According to Iraq's declarations, it had procured 340 pieces of equipment used for the production of chemical weapons. More than half came from Germany, the remainder mostly from France, Spain, and Austria. [6] In addition, Iraq declared that it imported more than 200,000 munitions made for delivering chemicals, 75,000 came fron Italy, 57,500 from Spain, 45,000 from China, and 28,500 from Egypt. [7]

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We gave him billions of dollars by way of loan guarantees.
We equipped him with military equipment.
We provided him with state of the art satellite intelligence, and other intelligence.
We removed him from our list of terrorist nations so he could trade freely with us.
We sent Donald Rumsfeld for meetings with Saddam to express our support to him.
We made deals with third party countries so they could aid Saddam.
We fought a UN condemnation of his chemical weapon use on people.
And so on, and so on...


And we also provided him with some of the ingredients for chemical weapons. But even though we knew he was using chemical weapons on his own people and on the Iranians, well, surely he wouldn't use our chemicals for naughty purposes, he would only use chemicals from other countries for that. After all, Don Rumsfeld and George Shultz thought he was such a swell guy.
 
A) We profited from the sales to Iraq as well, for example the sale of the agricultural chemicals and the loan that was used to build the oil pipeline through Jordan which was built by a U.S. firm.

B) I have no problem what so ever about funding the Contras they were freedom fighters against the tyrannical and genocidal Sandinista regime.

A) But the loan guarantees-the American people paid billions of dollars to settle those debts.

B) No problem except that it was illegal, right?
 
We gave him billions of dollars by way of loan guarantees.

Ya and how much of that money was used to buy weapons?

We equipped him with military equipment.

.5% of all foreign weapons.

We provided him with state of the art satellite intelligence, and other intelligence.

On Iranian troop movements, now prove that we intended him to use that intel to engage in a WMD attack.

We removed him from our list of terrorist nations so he could trade freely with us.

Ya because we didn't want Iran to become the dominant force in the Middle East. It was a lesser of two evils policy, and we aided Saddam far lest than other countries; such as, France, Germany, and the Soviet Union.

We sent Donald Rumsfeld for meetings with Saddam to express our support to him.

Wuppedy sh!t.

We made deals with third party countries so they could aid Saddam.

Oh so now we're responsible for what other countries did too? That must be nice to be able to blame everything on the U.S..

We fought a UN condemnation of his chemical weapon use on people.
And so on, and so on...

Because at the time we thought it was the Iranians who had launched the attack on the Kurds.

And we also provided him with some of the ingredients for chemical weapons.

Far less than other countries, and if it wasn't for the French and the Germans technological expertise those would have remained legal and benign chemicals rather than illegal and lethal WMD.

But even though we knew he was using chemical weapons on his own people and on the Iranians, well, surely he wouldn't use our chemicals for naughty purposes, he would only use chemicals from other countries for that.

Prove that. It was not confirmed until 1985 I believe that he had used chemical weapons against the Iranians, prove that we sold chemicals to him after that time.

After all, Don Rumsfeld and George Shultz thought he was such a swell guy.

Pure sophistry.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Still spreading your lies and leftist propaganda I see Billo, how many times do I have to prove that you're full of sh!t before you stop posting this dribble?
Hey, I'm a pretty good dribbler.
I can also play D, fill it up from downtown,
and I got a mean sky-hook...

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Because at the time we thought it was the Iranians who had launched the attack on the Kurds.

Must be nice to be in your world. To be able to ignore all facts and evidence and blindly support a mistaken war.

I've proved everything I said with American documents from the Reagan administration itself.

Can you provide even a questionable link to back up the above statement?
 
Must be nice to be in your world. To be able to ignore all facts and evidence and blindly support a mistaken war.

I've proved everything I said with American documents from the Reagan administration itself.

Can you provide even a questionable link to back up the above statement?

Done and done:

The Halabja poison gas attack caused an international outcry against the Iraqis. Later that year the U.S. Senate unanimously passed the "Prevention of Genocide Act", cutting off all U.S. assistance to Iraq and stopping U.S. imports of Iraqi oil. The Reagan administration opposed the bill, calling it premature, and eventually prevented it from taking effect, partly due to a mistaken DIA assessment which blamed Iran for the attack.

Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again can you show that the U.S. provided chemicals post-1985 when it was comfirmed that they had attacked Iranians with WMD?
 
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