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I'm kind of interested why you think your opinion matters on what people consider to be crap or not. It also amazes me that people that are regularly arguing against private monopolies are the same people always arguing for government monopolies.
How exactly does single payer scare you? Are you terrified of communally paid-for roads? Public parks? Are things only okay if there's a higher class profiting from it at the expense of a lower class?
Exactly my point. Playing profits with human lives! What a great that is made up of the organization of people, institutions, and resources to deliver health care services to meet the health needs of target populations! Looks like if you aint got that dough then its off to the grave for you...Besides the fact you are being extremely dishonest, no, their job is to make money. The service they provide is to fill the healthcare needs of their customers. Business is not a charity, and no one is going to do something for a living and make nothing doing it. With that mind, can you tell me how government lowers the cost of the services it provides?
Actually im more in favor of a system where the gov does own some key things, but then worker co-ops, and worker self managed industries rule the rest.Really, you're a socialist, so the last time you didn't want the government to run an industry was never.
I believe in market socialism..I know full well you don't like people profiting from the exchanges they have with you, but the fact will forever remain that people don't much care for transactions they get nothing from.
:lamoWhen dealing with the question of government it really doesn't matter. If it's true or not has nothing at all to do with government. :shrug:
I'm kind of interested as to why you feel it's important that insurance companies should be allowed to sell people crap policies. There are standards ...it's not opinion.
Now, there's a decent argument that the failure of Obamacare could usher in something worse (or better, depending on your point of view - honestly, single payer scares the **** out of me). To be truthful, though, I'm not rooting for Obamacare. I didn't want it and the fact that "you could keep your insurance" had to be such a big part of getting support indicates to me, that a good many of us didn't want it and Obama knew that. Now, I don't know if it can ever fully go away, but presuming it could do you want Obamacare to fail?
Give me a minute to attach the poll.
Now, there's a decent argument that the failure of Obamacare could usher in something worse (or better, depending on your point of view - honestly, single payer scares the **** out of me). To be truthful, though, I'm not rooting for Obamacare. I didn't want it and the fact that "you could keep your insurance" had to be such a big part of getting support indicates to me, that a good many of us didn't want it and Obama knew that. Now, I don't know if it can ever fully go away, but presuming it could do you want Obamacare to fail?
Give me a minute to attach the poll.
Well, I'm guessing that the million or so people who lost their coverage thanks to Obamacare wish they could go back. If Obamacare was such an improvement, why the need to repeatedly (and falsely) promise that nothing has to change for you if you don't want it to?
Well you and I came to the conclusion a long time ago that you are an immoral, lawless, anarchist , so...Because it's their product and they have the right to decide what it includes and doesn't include. Any more questions?
Exactly my point. Playing profits with human lives! What a great that is made up of the organization of people, institutions, and resources to deliver health care services to meet the health needs of target populations! Looks like if you aint got that dough then its off to the grave for you...
Actually im more in favor of a system where the gov does own some key things, but then worker co-ops, and worker self managed industries rule the rest.
I believe in market socialism..
:lamo
Except this is essentially what we are arguing over.. If the gov should run healthcare...
Well you and I came to the conclusion a long time ago that you are an immoral, lawless, anarchist , so...
No, I guess I really don't have any questions for an established anarchist.
Your answers would teach me nothing. You are 100% predictable and without merit..
You do not care when people are ripped off and taken advantage of and it can ruin their lives.How is my position immoral?
Woah woah woah! No way in hell is any of that true. This statement you just made is factually incorrect. What about public goods? You cannot be saying that public goods go against human interaction.... Are you saying this?Yes, people provide other people services that are both needed and entirely optional. When people exchange their labor and service to someone they expect something in return to make their efforts worth their time. People have been doing such activities since pretty much forever. If you have a problem with someone benefiting from an exchange that they are involved in than you pretty much have a problem with human interaction itself.
I never stated all "important things"...Ok? So are these co-ops trustworthy to run the unimportant things, but only the government is wise enough to run the important things?
Not at all.Which is basically a contradiction of terms.
Well this is what we are debating. So therefore the role of the gov has and will continue to be in this debate.Yes, and there is no reason they should be.
You do not care when people are ripped off and taken advantage of and it can ruin their lives.
In fact, I believe you largely enjoy it.
There are two places in the world for people who have nearly zero concern for the well-being of others:
Psychiatric wards and prisons.
Yea i mean these people "benefited" really well from this for profit system: New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage | Harvard Gazette
Woah woah woah! No way in hell is any of that true. This statement you just made is factually incorrect. What about public goods? You cannot be saying that public goods go against human interaction.... Are you saying this?
I never stated all "important things"...
Not at all.
“Market socialism” means a proletarian democratic regime in which the mass of the population implements socialist measures within an economy based on commodity production. The market will decide what worker co-ops, or worker owned production facilities fail or proceed.
Well this is what we are debating. So therefore the role of the gov has and will continue to be in this debate.
Woah woah woah! No way in hell is any of that true. This statement you just made is factually incorrect. What about public goods? You cannot be saying that public goods go against human interaction.... Are you saying this?
Not at all.
“Market socialism” means a proletarian democratic regime in which the mass of the population implements socialist measures within an economy based on commodity production. The market will decide what worker co-ops, or worker owned production facilities fail or proceed.
There are two places in the world for people who have nearly zero concern for the well-being of others: Psychiatric wards and prisons.
I don't know why they didn't just fold everyone into Medicare.
How were people getting ripped off?
I vehemently appose single payer, and I'm scared as hell that that's where this is headed. I also feel that single payer was and is the end goal of the PPACA and its shortfalls. I feel that many of the shortfalls were intentional to help force the single payer issue to the forefront.
Beaudreaux said:As a small business owner, I've had to make painful choices due to the PPACA.
Beaudreaux said:As a private citizen, the PPACA has cost me a tremendous amount of money; more than I paid for the same health care before the PPACA.
You know Henrin too?
If you are committed against your will a psychiatric ward is essentially a prison. I can't even think of a difference really.
Someone with a net worth of $1,000 was paying $400 a month to protect that $1,000. However, they chose to pay $4,800 a year to insurance $1,000 so I guess it can be argued either way.
Insurance is a product for the rich. Poor people and most middle class people have no business purchasing health insurance.
If you choose to get ripped off, are you really getting ripped off? It's a mystery but no clear answer exist.
Just my opinion of course, but I don't think I made any mistakes my assessment.
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