Boo Radley
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These are simply talking points. If it was not effective it would not be used. Can a detainee give false information? Certainly but they can by other means as well.
I'm sorry, but it isn't effective.
They did not get critical information from the torture, and what little they got, they got the same information and more without it.
When you consider how clearly we can document not only misinformation, but misinformation that we USED, to our detriment, to argue it is effective is what is really foolish
No one argues everyone doesn't break, even the innocnet confess, and even those who know knowing give something. This is the problem with it.
in fact it is.
given that we did not torture, I would say we probably gained very little indeed.
if, however, you mean enhanced interrogation, then that program was responsible for large portions if not most of what we know about the workings and plans of central al-qaeda leadership, which is how we were able to effectively target them.
disinformation from interrogation is successful when the detainee has the mental faculty to maintain a complex figment; which is incredibly difficult to do when tired and under stress.
"Curveball"? The Source that convinced us Saddam had an active CW program? He was interrogated in the nice-guy-way. And he lied convincingly and we never caught on. Someone undergoing enhanced interrogation is going to find that exceedingly difficult to do.
I love how you say things like this, because it really drives home that you don't really have any idea what goes on in an interrogation.
Well judging by the results of this poll DP members still lean to the far left........To think water boarding is torture when we do it to our own troops is ridiculous. When I was in the Navy in order to go to Vietnam you had to go to survival school and spend time in a POW camp in Warner Springs Ca. One of the things they did to us was put us in these amall boxes and you had no idea how long you would be there.........What happens after time is your legs and feet fall asleep and when they finally let you out (I was in the box for 45 minutes) you can't stand......Now that was torture
There are some pretty far right wing people who voted Yes NP. Much further to the right than you in fact. Just because some one disagrees with you on an issue does not make them left wing.Well judging by the results of this poll DP members still lean to the far left........To think water boarding is torture when we do it to our own troops is ridiculous. When I was in the Navy in order to go to Vietnam you had to go to survival school and spend time in a POW camp in Warner Springs Ca. One of the things they did to us was put us in these amall boxes and you had no idea how long you would be there.........What happens after time is your legs and feet fall asleep and when they finally let you out (I was in the box for 45 minutes) you can't stand......Now that was torture
I didn't know having a moral compass was a left thing. Learn something new every day.
Well judging by the results of this poll DP members still lean to the far left........To think water boarding is torture when we do it to our own troops is ridiculous. When I was in the Navy in order to go to Vietnam you had to go to survival school and spend time in a POW camp in Warner Springs Ca. One of the things they did to us was put us in these amall boxes and you had no idea how long you would be there.........What happens after time is your legs and feet fall asleep and when they finally let you out (I was in the box for 45 minutes) you can't stand......Now that was torture
There are some pretty far right wing people who voted Yes NP. Much further to the right than you in fact. Just because some one disagrees with you on an issue does not make them left wing.
Like I told Boo, check it out you might be surprised.......
I did not think you disagreed with Obama on anything.
I did, and if you had you might be surprised. I see morethan one far right winger who voted that waterboarding is torture.
You would think wrong then.
NP uses the word "left" like it's an insult to not be a homophobic backwoods racist who runs to a forum and posts every Rush Limbaugh talking point one hears. ****, if thinking waterboarding is "torture" means you're part of the left, I'll welcome any Conservative who doesn't support it with open arms.
Look at how the vote went left vs right and with few exceptions you will find that the left thinks it torture and the right does not.
Just check the people who voted......
We agree then, it is ineffective.
This is where you try to play word games, hoping to hide the immorality of actually torturing people
I suggest any person who can pretend this wasn't torture lacks a moral core.
Apparently not as difficult as you think, as people have given misinformaiton often.
This is also where you try to misrepresnt what was said. Many find doing this dishonest. I said, and I've been specific, we used al Libi's information that we got under torture as part of our reasoning for going to war. "Curveball wasn't really interrogated. And the german's told us he was unreliable. But, when you want to go war, we're willing to use both. Same as using the heros in error of Chalibi's. But the FACT remains, we tortured, got wrong information, and used it.
I love how you try to be dismissive without actually providing anything of substance.
I think it is obviously, undebatably torture. I think the question should be whether certain forms of torture are acceptable to get important information. I think in certain circumstances, that answer is absolutely yes.We have probably had a poll on this subject before but we have a lot of new member so what do you think?
I think it is obviously, undebatably torture. I think the question should be whether certain forms of torture are acceptable to get important information. I think in certain circumstances, that answer is absolutely yes.
I don't know exactly. There'd have to be a lot of proof that the person actually had information, and that there was an impending disaster highly likely to cause significant loss of human life.Are you proposing to have US and International law changes that would approve torture in certain circumstances as a legal means of intelligence gathering?
And what would be those certain circumstances that you would want torture used by other governments around the world?
I don't know exactly. There'd have to be a lot of proof that the person actually had information, and that there was an impending disaster highly likely to cause significant loss of human life.
We don't live in the same type of world as when those rules were first put into play.
Do you even realize that you are making a case against the Right?There are exceptions, I am talking about the huge majority....There are actually libs who are pro life but the huge majority are not........
What issue do you disagree with him on?
I don't see that it matters... Do you think Al Qaeda, Taliban, Fedayeen were like "maybe we shouldn't torture them...it just seems wrong"You would be for other countries legally being allowed to torture our soldiers or citizens under certain circumstances?
I don't see that it matters... Do you think Al Qaeda, Taliban, Fedayeen were like "maybe we shouldn't torture them...it just seems wrong"
I certainly don't think torture is something that should be common practice but I also think it is naive to say we should never use it under any circumstances. This is why countries have "Black Ops" they get to operate in that grey area and do things that might not sit well with Joe the Monday Morning Quarterback.
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