Yes i know! i already admitmented to Blackdog that i was wrong about the majority thing. I am only stating now that Jefferson , Franklin, and Paine were not Christians.
And they are not considered Christians.
Both Franklin and Jefferson follow Christ's teachings. They might not have believed in his divinity (and, frankly, I don't know if I do either). There are segments of the Christian community that do not believe that Christ = God.
Thomas Jefferson ....
I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others. --66. Thomas Jefferson, Memoir, Correspondence, and Miscellanies from the Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, editor (Boston: Grey & Bowen, 1830), Vol. III, p. 506, to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803
I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. -- Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816
You don't think JWs are Christians?
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever: But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached to you."(1 Peter 1:23,25)
"So then faith [comes] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."(Romans 10:17)
"And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said to him [Jesus], Blessed [is] the womb that bare you, and the paps which you have sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it."(Luke 11:27,28)
"For this cause also we thank God without ceasing, because, when you received the word of God which you heard of us, you received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually works also in you that believe."(1 Thessalonians 2:13)
So those who would call themselves Christians should receive the words of the Bible to be "by inspiration of God," and not as words of man. Here is what the Bible says about itself:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"(2 Timothy 3:16)
He was not in any way a Christian according to the Bible and gospel he decided to rewrite.
They are not. Never have been and never will be.
Hm....curious. Simply because they do not believe in the Trinity?
That's fine if it's your opinion and he (and I, possibly) weren't/aren't Christians. Just wanted to prove that he actually DID call himself a Christian.
Wrong on so many counts. Oy!
No, it's absolutely accurate. Seriously, read some history.
Actually he was shown to be incorrect and admitted as much graciously. So this begs the question: Who needs to study some history?
I went back and read -- my bad. I missed the word "majority" -- but yes, many were indeed not Christians, especially some of the biggest names notably associated with the writing of the Declaration and the Constitution.
Sorry, I'm recovering from a kidney stone operation and have had too much percoset.
I went back and read -- my bad. I missed the word "majority" -- but yes, many were indeed not Christians, especially some of the biggest names notably associated with the writing of the Declaration and the Constitution.
Almost every single one was deeply religious (Paine was probably the least religious), a few weren't Christians...the majority were. As has been proven over and over and over again.
Thomas Jefferson ....
I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others. -- Thomas Jefferson, Memoir, Correspondence, and Miscellanies from the Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, editor (Boston: Grey & Bowen, 1830), Vol. III, p. 506, to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803
I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. -- Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816
These dont prove anything if you read between the lines you will see that he considers himself a true "christain" because he admires Jeseus's teachings and doesnt follow the added "junk" as he probably would have put it that is why he edited his bible to only show passages from Jesus....i mean lol you can even buy copies of his edited versoin on the internet.
Yes, I have his edited Bible. I was simply showing Blackdog that TJ, indeed, called himself a Chrisitian.
Yes, I know you're opinions on the matter Blackdog. We just keep repeating oursevles!
I hear all the time that "this is a Christian Nation". Do you think this is so.
I am going to go ahead and say anyone who truly thinks this country was meant to be a Christian nation is a complete moron. The founding fathers were secularist, there is some evidence indicating Thomas Jefferson was at least agnostic.
" The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." -Thomas Jefferson
While the nation was certainly founded on Christian principals and is a Christian nation, the current government was not founded on any religion.
No, it's absolutely accurate. Seriously, read some history.
For real! I already told em to read the Federalist Papers. Honestly some are blinded by dogma
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