Navy Pride
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As Justice Harry Blackmum stated, "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. In fact this question is not difficult at all, as the many scientists quoted under argument I attest. But no matter what answer we come to, isn't the question of whether living children are being killed by abortion precisely the question we must resolve?"
"There are now 15 times more abortions annually in this country than were prior to Roe. Those laws that once restrained abortion now encourage it.a'
Bernard Nathanson, Aborting America (New Yorkoubleday, 1979, 40)
In a survey of woman who had abortions, 72% said they would definetly not had sought an abortion if doing so were illegal."
David C. REardon, Aborted Woman:Silence No More (Westchester, Ill.:Crossway Books, 1987),333.
Deegan said:I can't believe I am saying this, but NO, I don't think we should revisit this ruling. It is indeed decided law, right or wrong, it would be irresponsible to pull the rug out from millions of women after 30 years of doing it this way!
talloulou said:How long was slavery allowed, how long were women considered property with no voting rights? Just because a law has been around for awhile doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.
Deegan said:I can't believe I am saying this, but NO, I don't think we should revisit this ruling. It is indeed decided law, right or wrong, it would be irresponsible to pull the rug out from millions of women after 30 years of doing it this way! I support states rights, but womens rights trump that of the state, and this is why it was correct that the SCOTUS take this in to their competent hands, and end this debate once and for all. As I have said time and again, it's now time to decide when this is not a womens right, and I think after four months you have given up the right to decide, and the state should step in.
Deegan said:These strawmen have nothing to do with the obviously important decision women have made to control their bodies! Some choose to have their children, some choose to abort, this is an issue we have to accept, like it or not. I can only imagine what it must be like to make that choice, either way, but I can not in good conscience make that decision for them, nor has it worked in the past. These are logical decisions we have come to accept, we can't force women to do with their bodies, what they refuse to do, it is slavery, and yes, I thought we took care of that issue long ago!
zymurgy said:1) "State rights" are misleading. Only individuals have "rights". We say State Rights because when the federal goverment was formed we listed their powers and said everything not listed was reserved for the people or the state.
2) human rights trumps all. Women shouldn't have special rights because they are women.
3) Status quo is the worst reason I have ever witnessed.
Deegan said:Women should be afforded special rights, as they possess a special gift, life! So to suggest we can deal with their situation in the same way do a mans, is to not fully understand their special situation. Men have used this against women for centuries, here, I spat my seed, now I'll know where you are for at least 9 months, then after, you'll need me even more. This is just not going to work in our free society, nor should it, these rights should be protected, and I'll let God sort it out in the end.
zymurgy said:We can definitely deal with this in the same way as we do with men who end somebody elses life. All human life is sacred, including the unborn. You completely ignore the other life that also has rights.
Deegan said:I certainly do not, I leave that to the Lord, I don't pretend to be God, nor should I play him on the stage we call life. I respect the life I see before me, that is the woman who must decide what is best for her, I can not damn her, only to save this other life, I won't do that, and neither should our laws!
Deegan said:Women should be afforded special rights, as they possess a special gift, life! So to suggest we can deal with their situation in the same way do a mans, is to not fully understand their special situation. Men have used this against women for centuries, here, I spat my seed, now I'll know where you are for at least 9 months, then after, you'll need me even more. This is just not going to work in our free society, nor should it, these rights should be protected, and I'll let God sort it out in the end.
zymurgy said:This is completely illogical. Why have any laws at all?
Murder is fine. We'll just leave it with the lord.
Deegan said:Women should be afforded special rights, as they possess a special gift, life!
Navy Pride said:I hear Liberals and my conservative friend Deegan all speaking up for the mother but what about the innocent baby in the womb? Who speaks for him and her?
Deegan said:We sacrifice everyday, we send our boys to their deaths everyday in Iraq, we say, "you die for my freedoms, that's your mission"! I am willing to sacrifice that young life to save the woman, and sure not all are in this most serious of positions, but there are just too many millions to make this broad assumption that all are just irresponsible tramps that could not be bothered to take their medicine, or use a form of contraception. We have laws for murder that are reasonable, this one is obviously not reasonable, and neither is your argument comparing the two.
zymurgy said:Sorry but this is a horrible analogy. Even in times of conscription (and Iraq isn't one of them) the draftee could elect to not serve.
What choice does the dead fetus have?
Deegan said:We sacrifice everyday, we send our boys to their deaths everyday in Iraq, we say, "you die for my freedoms, that's your mission"! I am willing to sacrifice that young life to save the woman, and sure not all are in this most serious of positions, but there are just too many millions to make this broad assumption that all are just irresponsible tramps that could not be bothered to take their medicine, or use a form of contraception. We have laws for murder that are reasonable, this one is obviously not reasonable, and neither is your argument comparing the two.
Deegan said:Oh really, ever heard of Vietnam, you go fight, or you go to jail, not much of a choice for some. It's a fine analogy, you just like it because it reminds you of the lack of control that would certainly drive anyone insane, try being a pregnant woman!
zymurgy said:I agree that it isn't much of a choice, but it is still a choice.
you still haven't answered my question however. Why have any laws at all if god is going to be the final judge?
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