Do you think it's ok for gays to adopt?

[Stace]

This is just the opposite of what Ann Coulter said last fall. She said all the liberal women were ugly, hairy, unbathed tree huggers.

Well, I'm pretty sure that you guys would agree I don't fit into her little stereotype!!!

 

[George_Washington]

Just because a woman has a job, that doesn't mean she's neglecting her children. But on the same token, just because you have children, that doesn't mean that your life is over, either. Many women choose to work after having children not because they need the money, but because they want to be someone other than just wifey and mommy 24/7. It's a way for them to keep their personal identity....not to mention sanity.

Well, if they really need that money, I can understand that. But a major problem in our society is bad parenting. It's happening even among the wealthy that don't really need the money. For example, wealthy wives will hire maids and such to take care of their children or else send their kids to day care. I don't see any reason why a wife should work full time if she has children, unless she really just needs the money. She should be there to pick her kid up from school and to spend time with him at night. If a woman is really that, "bored" with being a mother than obviously she doesn't love her kids, which is cruel.

 

[Navy Pride]

Just because a woman has a job, that doesn't mean she's neglecting her children. But on the same token, just because you have children, that doesn't mean that your life is over, either. Many women choose to work after having children not because they need the money, but because they want to be someone other than just wifey and mommy 24/7. It's a way for them to keep their personal identity....not to mention sanity.

If your thinking about what is best for the child then the ideal situation is for the mother to stay home and raise the child.........If your thinking only of yourself..........well..........

being a latch key kid is not good........

 

[George_Washington]

If your thinking about what is best for the child then the ideal situation is for the mother to stay home and raise the child.........If your thinking only of yourself..........well..........

Yes, thank you Navy Pride. Too many women nowdays are selfish.

 

[Navy Pride]

Yes, thank you Navy Pride. Too many women nowdays are selfish.

sometimes it might be necessary for a mother to work to make ends meet but that should be the only time...........The important thing here is the child......

Of course a lot of feminests and liberals don't believe that......

 

[mixedmedia]

That's not what Ann Coulter really means at all. She and other conservatives just think that women who choose to have children should spend time with them and stay home with them, if financially possible. What's so wrong with that? It's about taking personal responsiblity. If women want to work, fine, but don't go have children and neglect them. That's not only immature but it's cruel.

Look at what Pac said just above you. This is almost verbatim the words Ann Coulter used to describe the women at the Democratic Convention. Now forgive me while I return to my cruel liberal ways and finish making sure my kids have food to eat and clean clothes to wear and plenty of love and attention, okay GW?

 

[mixedmedia]

Yes, thank you Navy Pride. Too many women nowdays are selfish.

As opposed to men who have always been selfish?

 

[Stace]

Well, if they really need that money, I can understand that. But a major problem in our society is bad parenting. It's happening even among the wealthy that don't really need the money. For example, wealthy wives will hire maids and such to take care of their children or else send their kids to day care. I don't see any reason why a wife should work full time if she has children, unless she really just needs the money. She should be there to pick her kid up from school and to spend time with him at night. If a woman is really that, "bored" with being a mother than obviously she doesn't love her kids, which is cruel.

Well, if that's how YOU feel, then, you better make sure that you make enough money so that your wife doesn't have to work, but don't make so much that she can hire a maid to help her out. Who cares if she has no outside life, no identity other than to be your wife and the mother to your children? Oh, sure, YOU get to go out and shoot hoops with the guys, or have a few drinks after work, or what have you, but SHE'S stuck at home doing the laundry and dishes.

Sorry, buddy, that scenario doesn't fly for most women these days.Besides, women that have jobs ARE there are night for their kids, or at least one of the parents is, depending on their work schedules. It's not just the mother's job to take care of the kids, the dad needs to be involved, too.

And I didn't say ANYTHING about her being "bored" with her kids. But a woman needs to be more than just Joe's wife and Sue's mommy. But of course, you wouldn't understand that, because you're not a woman.

 

[mixedmedia]

sometimes it might be necessary for a mother to work to make ends meet but that should be the only time...........The important thing here is the child......

Of course a lot of feminests and liberals don't believe that......

Sometimes? Try most of the time, NP.

Funny how great my kids turned out - me being a liberal who doesn't love them and all.

Are you guys really serious?

 

[Stace]

sometimes it might be necessary for a mother to work to make ends meet but that should be the only time...........The important thing here is the child......

Of course a lot of feminests and liberals don't believe that......

And that's just not the way the world is these days. Children can thrive and be loved and not have a parent that sits at home 24/7.

And of course, you don't even stop to consider the fact that I WILL be staying at home once my baby is born. You just assume that because I think you guys are wrong, that I'm sticking up for my own beliefs. Not true. I'm sticking up for the beliefs of EVERYONE that doesn't agree with you and doesn't fit into YOUR mold of what YOU think the world should be like.

 

[George_Washington]

Well, if that's how YOU feel, then, you better make sure that you make enough money so that your wife doesn't have to work, but don't make so much that she can hire a maid to help her out. Who cares if she has no outside life, no identity other than to be your wife and the mother to your children? Oh, sure, YOU get to go out and shoot hoops with the guys, or have a few drinks after work, or what have you, but SHE'S stuck at home doing the laundry and dishes.

Sorry, buddy, that scenario doesn't fly for most women these days.Besides, women that have jobs ARE there are night for their kids, or at least one of the parents is, depending on their work schedules. It's not just the mother's job to take care of the kids, the dad needs to be involved, too.

And I didn't say ANYTHING about her being "bored" with her kids. But a woman needs to be more than just Joe's wife and Sue's mommy. But of course, you wouldn't understand that, because you're not a woman.

Look, you're misunderstanding me Stace. I think it's great for a woman to have a career, go to college, etc. I'm not saying she has to do dishes or laundry, lol. If a couple can afford to hire those things done, fine. If the man wants to do the laundry instead, I don't care. I'm talking about the actual, parenting duties. I think too many people nowdays simply do not provide a good home enviroment for their children. I'm talking about spending time with them, helping them with homework, etc.

 

[Stace]

If your thinking about what is best for the child then the ideal situation is for the mother to stay home and raise the child.........If your thinking only of yourself..........well..........

being a latch key kid is not good........

Really? What do you know about being a latch key kid? I was one, and I wasn't deprived of my mother's love or attention in any way. In fact, it worked out perfectly, because I had my homework done by the time she got home from work, so we had more time to spend that was just US time, not time spent doing chores and such.

 

[Stace]

Look, you're misunderstanding me Stace. I think it's great for a woman to have a career, go to college, etc. I'm not saying she has to do dishes or laundry, lol. If a couple can afford to hire those things done, fine. If the man wants to do the laundry instead, I don't care. I'm talking about the actual, parenting duties. I think too many people nowdays simply do not provide a good home enviroment for their children. I'm talking about spending time with them, helping them with homework, etc.

And they CAN DO THAT AND STILL HAVE A CAREER. Being a good parent does NOT require one to stay home 24/7. How is that so hard to understand?????

 

[George_Washington]

And they CAN DO THAT AND STILL HAVE A CAREER. Being a good parent does NOT require one to stay home 24/7. How is that so hard to understand?????

Jesus Christ, would you calm down? And you say ptsdkid is angry? LOL!

If both parents work full time, there is little time to parent. This is just the reality. Bad parenting is responsible for children commiting crimes, dropping out of school, and more. Bad parenting is what actually led to the Columbine incident, it had nothing to do with guns...unlike what you liberals like to pretend.

 

[mixedmedia]

Look, you're misunderstanding me Stace. I think it's great for a woman to have a career, go to college, etc. I'm not saying she has to do dishes or laundry, lol. If a couple can afford to hire those things done, fine. If the man wants to do the laundry instead, I don't care. I'm talking about the actual, parenting duties. I think too many people nowdays simply do not provide a good home enviroment for their children. I'm talking about spending time with them, helping them with homework, etc.

And somehow this is indicative of a political philosophy? You do realize that most of the people in this country don't give a damn about politics, right? Maybe in this DP bubble it's natural to start believing that everybody is sitting around talking about this stuff, but trust me, they're not.
Generally, I believe it is people who do care, whether right or left, who are more apt to be involved in the lives of their children and want them to grow into productive, involved citizens.

 

[jfuh]

All those inmates in prison changed their minds.

What happens after they get out of prison?
Not to mention, those who end up in prison, criminals, already have pshycological issues to begin with, great comparrison.

 

[jfuh]

This is just the opposite of what Ann Coulter said last fall. She said all the liberal women were ugly, hairy, unbathed tree huggers.

Lol, ann coulter, very funny woman.

 

[jfuh]

About the class at the University of Michigan.

The Class is titled.........in the English section

"How To Be Gay:Male Homosexuality and Inititation."

There you have it. A HOW TO COURSE.

How to be gay. We now learn in colleges and universities, how to be an engineer, a teacher, a nurse, a doctor, and how to be gay.

The course description says and I quote, "Just because you happen to be a gay man doesnt mean that you don't have to learn how to become one."
Students will examine a number of cultural artifacts and activities including "camp diva-worship, drag, muscle culture, taste, style and political activism." Classes will also spend time teaching students to be gay by an indepth study of interior design, cross-dressing, and Broadway musicals.

George ARchibald, "How to be Gay Course draws Fire at Michigan." Washington Times, 2003


Now here we go... a class subsidized by tax dollars and tuition money. Can you imagine if I was a teacher and wanted to start a class called, How To Become a Christian? Or what if I wanted to start a class titled, How to Be Pro-Life? Think this would be allowed, think it would fly? ha ha yea right.

Just because you are a woman doesn't mean you know how to be one. Same stupid argument. It is already established within the title itself that you already are gay or are a woman.
Your so fanatical to place homosexuality as choice that you're completely arrogant to the facts.

 

[Stace]

Jesus Christ, would you calm down? And you say ptsdkid is angry? LOL!

Hello, pregnancy hormones. You don't want to get me worked up about something? Don't say stuff that is crap. I'm not angry. I'm passionate about things like this. There IS a difference.

If both parents work full time, there is little time to parent.

Not necessarily. They work it so one parent goes to work a few hours earlier than the other, so that one is home to get the kids off to school, and the one that went to work first is home by the time they get out of school. Very balanced.

This is just the reality.

Perhaps in your world, but not in any world I've ever lived in.

Bad parenting is responsible for children commiting crimes, dropping out of school, and more. Bad parenting is what actually led to the Columbine incident, it had nothing to do with guns...unlike what you liberals like to pretend.

Oh, NOW someone wants to blame the parents. There's none of this "you liberals" crap. We're certainly not the ones blaming it on what kind of music the kid listened to.

But both parents having full time jobs? Does not equal bad parenting. Saying that is also equating single parents to being bad parents, because they have no choice but to work full time. Do you really want to cross that line?

 

[George_Washington]

Hello, pregnancy hormones. You don't want to get me worked up about something? Don't say stuff that is crap. I'm not angry. I'm passionate about things like this. There IS a difference.

Sigh. Look Stace, I understand you are passionate about this stuff. But please understand that I'm not trying to be like, bigoted towards women or anything. Ok?

Not necessarily. They work it so one parent goes to work a few hours earlier than the other, so that one is home to get the kids off to school, and the one that went to work first is home by the time they get out of school. Very balanced.

If this kind of, "parenting" works so well than why do we have such problems with juvenile crime and dropouts in this country?

Perhaps in your world, but not in any world I've ever lived in.

:::rolls eyes:::

Oh, NOW someone wants to blame the parents. There's none of this "you liberals" crap. We're certainly not the ones blaming it on what kind of music the kid listened to.

But both parents having full time jobs? Does not equal bad parenting. Saying that is also equating single parents to being bad parents, because they have no choice but to work full time. Do you really want to cross that line?

Well, if they both need to work to make ends meet, I can understand that. I think I've already said that. But STILL...people should think more before they have children and think to themselves, "Can I really afford more kids? Do I have the time to devote to them?"

I just think that families should strive to have at least one parent at home or only working part time.

I myself am an extremely hard worker and ambitious. So when I finally have children, I plan on making enough money so that my wife NEVER has to work. I will give her loads of money, lots of love and attention, and free time so that she can pursue her hobbies and also take care of the kids. And of course free time so she can lay out in the sun during the day and make herself look beautiful for me when I come home :mrgreen: lol

 

[Stace]

Sigh. Look Stace, I understand you are passionate about this stuff. But please understand that I'm not trying to be like, bigoted towards women or anything. Ok?




If this kind of, "parenting" works so well than why do we have such problems with juvenile crime and dropouts in this country?





:::rolls eyes:::





Well, if they both need to work to make ends meet, I can understand that. I think I've already said that. But STILL...people should think more before they have children and think to themselves, "Can I really afford more kids? Do I have the time to devote to them?"

I just think that families should strive to have at least one parent at home or only working part time.

I myself am an extremely hard worker and ambitious. So when I finally have children, I plan on making enough money so that my wife NEVER has to work. I will give her loads of money, lots of love and attention, and free time so that she can pursue her hobbies and also take care of the kids. And of course free time so she can lay out in the sun during the day and make herself look beautiful for me when I come home :mrgreen: lol

You are COMPLETELY missing my point, George. And I do not need to be getting myself this worked up, I'm not going to become unnecessarily stressed over a freakin' political forum. Maybe someone else would be so kind as to step in for me, but....I'm done for now.

 

[Kelzie]

Look, you're misunderstanding me Stace. I think it's great for a woman to have a career, go to college, etc. I'm not saying she has to do dishes or laundry, lol. If a couple can afford to hire those things done, fine. If the man wants to do the laundry instead, I don't care. I'm talking about the actual, parenting duties. I think too many people nowdays simply do not provide a good home enviroment for their children. I'm talking about spending time with them, helping them with homework, etc.

Dude, you didn't say parents. You said women are being selfish by not being slaves...oh I'm sorry, by not "staying home with the kids". I pity your future wife. I had hoped their was no sexism left in our generation.

 

[ludahai]

I believe the moderators of this site are remis for not insisting that "Hysterical" be included in the available settings for current mood.

It should be patently clear to all that this is an oversight needing immediate attention.

I second that.

 

[George_Washington]

Dude, you didn't say parents. You said women are being selfish by not being slaves...oh I'm sorry, by not "staying home with the kids". I pity your future wife. I had hoped their was no sexism left in our generation.

Dude, Kelzie, come on. You pity my future wife? No, don't give me that. You don't know anything about how I treat women or my personal life, so don't even go there. I can honestly say that I have always treated women well, not that it's any of your ******* business. Naturally, you are misunderstanding what I meant or just not caring much to try to understand. I should have known that trying to debate with you liberal women was pointless over this issue. I really thought you were above petty personal attacks, Kelzie, but I see I was wrong. Thanks.

 

[ptsdkid]

Of course, I voted yes. Gays are as well-equipped as any other adults to be good parents......or bad parents. They should be screened and approved or denied just as anyone else wanting to adopt.

***Wrong again, mixed-meds. While I have no doubt that a queer couple could rasie children together--the concern here should be in the child's ability to grow up 'normaly' as that of a 'heteresexual'. I've always believed that it is the 'environment' that determines the sexual preference of the child. So if two lesbos raise a boy by letting him play with dolls, letting him put makeup on, and by donning him with frilly teddies during adolescent--chances are he'll try to put the make on the boys that just got done kicking sand in his face.