Do You Support the 2nd Amendment or Not?

[rahl]

And yet we have infringed on the right to bear arms, and will continue to do so.

And nice been shown the constitutional limits on what those infringements can be.

But let the carnage continue.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

 

[Nickyjo]

Why would you need to take firearms away from people not involved in the Carnage to do anything about the Carnage why are those two things related to you?

When you completely ignore all the people doing it to focus on something not related at all you're not going to solve anything.

My beliefs are fairly simple and straightforward: 1- we have too many guns in circulation; 2- we have too many gun deaths; 3- numbers one and two are connected; 4- single issue pro-gun voters trump what the majority of US voters support; 4- other nations control guns and remain free.

I was almost shot by mistake, and a friend has spent decades as a paraplegic after being shot. Nothing will be done about it. See you at the next mass shouting. Don’t forget thoughts and prayers.

 

[CLAX1911]

My beliefs are fairly simple and straightforward:

I'll listen to your rationalizations but your comments are stupid.

1- we have too many guns in circulation; 2- we have too many gun deaths; 3- numbers one and two are connected; 4- single issue pro-gun voters trump what the majority of US voters support; 4- other nations control guns and remain free.

See what I mean about your comments being stupid.

People aren't dying just because there are guns. Most of them are dying from the suicide not because of a gun because of a mental state.

Your rationalization that someone feeling that there's no hope and the only way out is death is because of guns is profoundly ignorant you should be ashamed to admit that publicly.

I was almost shot by mistake,

So that means you've never been shot just like most people so what's the problem?

and a friend has spent decades as a paraplegic after being shot.

And you think an object did that and not a person you're rationalization is faulty.

Nothing will be done about it.

Because you think doing something about it is taking away everyone's rights because you want to blame an object instead of a person.

See you at the next mass shouting.

That only happen because you have no capacity to think. That's why you're rationalization is so faulty. That's why you constantly say the most stupid things on the planet.

Like I almost got shot that's like saying I almost got struck by lightning everyone everywhere almost got struck by lightning

Don’t forget thoughts and prayers.

Thoughts and prayers are infinitely more valuable than campaigning to take away all human rights because of crippling stupidity.

 

[Nickyjo]

I'll listen to your rationalizations but your comments are stupid.

See what I mean about your comments being stupid.

People aren't dying just because there are guns. Most of them are dying from the suicide not because of a gun because of a mental state.

Your rationalization that someone feeling that there's no hope and the only way out is death is because of guns is profoundly ignorant you should be ashamed to admit that publicly.



So that means you've never been shot just like most people so what's the problem?

And you think an object did that and not a person you're rationalization is faulty.

Because you think doing something about it is taking away everyone's rights because you want to blame an object instead of a person.

That only happen because you have no capacity to think. That's why you're rationalization is so faulty. That's why you constantly say the most stupid things on the planet.

Like I almost got shot that's like saying I almost got struck by lightning everyone everywhere almost got struck by lightning

Thoughts and prayers are infinitely more valuable than campaigning to take away all human rights because of crippling stupidity.

Creating the kind of gun controls that other free countries have, that the NRA used to support before they became an arm of the gun industry (are they all stupid?) does not takeaway all human rights.

 

[What if...?]

I support the 2nd Amendment, but the text needs to be updated.

After the clause
"the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

should be two more words in caps: NO ECXEPTIONS.

These two words would reinforce the words "shall not be infringed", and explicitly prohibit lawmakers from passing "gun control" regulations and restrictions which in reality ARE infringements.

It would empower SCOTUS to summarily strike down any new laws which infringe on our right to keep and bear arms. . . . ALL of them.

So as a federal felon I would get my rights back?

 

[What if...?]

This has never been true, and you’ve been corrected on this every single time you’ve tried to argue it. The amendment explicitly and specifically states it’s an individual right. Every single time this has been in front of the court, starting in 1858, they have told you

Its not a right, its a privilege.

As a federal felon I had my right to bear revoked.

Permanently.

So it isn’t a right. A right cannot be taken away.

 

[What if...?]

A new amendment would be needed, because as you were shown in previous discussions, subsequent amendment allow for certain infringements via due process. Such as felons not being able to own firearms etc.

So it’s a privilege not a right.

 

[CLAX1911]

Creating the kind of gun controls that other free countries have,

There's no such thing.

that the NRA used to support before they became an arm of the gun industry

So there's a conspiracy?

(are they all stupid?) does not takeaway all human rights.

So when you're saying that I can't legally own a gun but criminals can how do I have rights?

Can you say I have the right to live unharmed by criminal acts if I can't make sure that doesn't happen?

 

[CLAX1911]

Its not a right, its a privilege.

If you think adjudication limiting your rights as a penalty means that you have no rights then fine you have no rights don't ever bring up rights. You clearly don't believe in them.

As a federal felon I had my right to bear revoked.

You forfeited it by committing a felony

Permanently.

You probably forfeited other rights too freedom of movement for the time you were incarcerated freedom of association even after incarceration all made other things that's what adjudication is.

So it isn’t a right. A right cannot be taken away.

It wasn't you forfeited it.

 

[What if...?]

If you think adjudication limiting your rights as a penalty means that you have no rights then fine you have no rights don't ever bring up rights. You clearly don't believe in them.

You forfeited it by committing a felony

You probably forfeited other rights too freedom of movement for the time you were incarcerated freedom of association even after incarceration all made other things that's what adjudication is.

It wasn't you forfeited it.

A right cannot be forfeited.

If it can be taken away it isn’t a right by definition.

It is a privilege.

We can do the “what words mean” thing if you want.

 

[CLAX1911]

A right cannot be forfeited.

Again I already said you don't believe in rights I understand that.

If it can be taken away it isn’t a right by definition.

It wasn't taken away it was forfeited.

It is a privilege.

I understand you don't believe in rights.

We can do the “what words mean” thing if you want.

Always the dishonesty argument. I merely use words to describe a concept and if you want to argue against the words I use because the concept is bewildering to you that's your problem.

 

[braindrain]

Then what were you referring to in your 'rights of the people' comment?

You claimed there is no constitutional need for individual ownership. The words of the actual amendment sore you are wrong.

 

[braindrain]

?

Arguing that you think the founders thought one thing when the thoughts written down by them on paper say the opposite makes your argument look rather dishonest.

 

[mrjurrs]

You claimed there is no constitutional need for individual ownership. The words of the actual amendment sore you are wrong.

And how did you come to that conclusion?

 

[mrjurrs]

Arguing that you think the founders thought one thing when the thoughts written down by them on paper say the opposite makes your argument look rather dishonest.

And if you don't understand the difference between the Federalist Papers and the Constitution that makes you look rather uninformed.
One of the Federalist Paper writers had nothing to do with the Constitution and 4 of the primary authors of the Constitution had nothing to do with the Federalist Papers.

 

[CLAX1911]

And if you don't understand the difference between the Federalist Papers and the Constitution that makes you look rather uninformed.
One of the Federalist Paper writers had nothing to do with the Constitution and 4 of the primary authors of the Constitution had nothing to do with the Federalist Papers.

You're not making an argument. The Federalist papers were at precursor using the same philosophy that eventually resulted in meeting Constitution being written.

 

[rahl]

It’s not a right, it’s a privilege.

The amendment explicitly tells you it’s a right

As a federal felon I had my right to bear revoked.

Yes. That is how due process works.

Permanently.

So it isn’t a right. A right cannot be taken away.

Of course rights can be taken away. The constitution specifically tells you how. Due process.

 

[rahl]

So it’s a privilege not a right.

No, as you’ve already been schooled on.

 

[rahl]

Creating the kind of gun controls that other free countries have, that the NRA used to support before they became an arm of the gun industry (are they all stupid?) does not takeaway all human rights.

The kinds of gun control you are asking for are explicitly precluded by the constitution. You will need an amendment in order to do so. You do not have anywhere even remotely close to the support you need in order to pass such an amendment.

 

[What if...?]

If you think adjudication limiting your rights as a penalty means that you have no rights then fine you have no rights don't ever bring up rights. You clearly don't believe in them.

You forfeited it by committing a felony

You probably forfeited other rights too freedom of movement for the time you were incarcerated freedom of association even after incarceration all made other things that's what adjudication is.

It wasn't you forfeited it.

A right can’t be taken away.

It’s not a right if it can be taken away.

But great news. Supreme Court just changed things recently where as I’m not a danger to society I’ll likely be able to get it back as when the amendment was written only special cases could have a permanent loss.

 

[What if...?]

No, as you’ve already been schooled on.

The supremes recently changed that. Looks like I’ll be able to get it back!

 

[What if...?]

No, as you’ve already been schooled on.

Are there other Constitutional rights that can been taken away?

 

[rahl]

The supremes recently changed that.

No they didn’t.

Looks like I’ll be able to get it back!

No, you won’t be getting back. You committed a felony and you have forfeited numerous rights as a result.

 

[rahl]

Are there other Constitutional rights that can been taken away?

Yes, via due process. You found that out when you lost your freedom for a time being a felon, your ability to own firearms, and vote

 

[CLAX1911]

A right can’t be taken away.

If you committed a felony you forfeited it. It wasn't taken away

It’s not a right if it can be taken away.

It wasn't the feeling rejected it

But great news. Supreme Court just changed things recently where as I’m not a danger to society I’ll likely be able to get it back as when the amendment was written only special cases could have a permanent loss.

Noon violent felons that have paid their debt to society can have their rights restored. That's good. I support that.