Do You Support Senator Manchin's Voting Rights Compromise?

[bomberfox]

Like where do we even move to once the shit hits the fan?

 

[Cardinal]

Manchin is either playing a long game or he's the dumbest human on earth. There is literally zero incentive for a single Republican to come on board with any kind of voting rights bill, however stripped down.

Wake me when something different happens. This is not different.

 

[lurchadams]

Jim Crow as all Democrats.

Yep. 100 year ago. Today's Jim Crow lawmakers are all you guys.

You guys always attempt to gaslight.

 

[lurchadams]

Not necessarily. He could be a lefty hater who isn't actually Republican. That's kind of the way I am. I used to be an independent who voted both sides but Democrats and liberals have become disgusting to me but I am not a Trump supporter nor a real Republican. Guess you guys don't understand that. If we are against the left then we are automatically referred to as Republicans.

No.

 

[OpportunityCost]

purging voter rolls will still allow gop to game the system. They will just purge black voters a few weeks before the election and not give them enough time to cure.

That's easy to avoid, and if I remember right is already law---I cant remember the time frame whether its 90 days or something else.

Found it --- https://www.sos.ms.gov/links/elections/home/tab5/NVRAPurging.pdf

(2) (A) A State shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for Federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.

3 months seems like a decent mount of time but I don't see a problem with moving it to 120.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yeah? So what? Legislative authority should have full control over legislative districts. If you don’t like how estate you don’t live in draws their districts, then buzz off. If you don’t like how estate you do live in draws their districts, vote for a different legislator.

hey, North Carolina got to use their racist gerrymandered districts for 6 years. i'm sure it was worth it to them...

North Carolina's Racial Gerrymandering Was Unconstitutional

The Supreme Court ends a six-year fight over 2011 congressional maps that diluted black voting strength in the state.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[j brown's body]

Do you consider the idea that a man can become a woman to be extreme?

Working up a strawman argument?

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Don’t overthink it. Outlawing partisan gerrymandering is the game. THAT is where all the marbles are. Everything else is marginal.

 

[JANFU]

I do not agree with eliminating gerrymandering.

And of course every vote counts, unless you are of the opposing party
7 States have moved away from that and have Commissions to allocate
Most developed democracies have them
Do you consider the US to be a developed democracy?
Heck Canada has them.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

And of course every vote counts, unless you are of the opposing party
7 States have moved away from that and have Commissions to allocate
Most developed democracies have them
Do you consider the US to be a developed democracy?
Heck Canada has them.

Chief Justice Roberts was very angry in his dissent when Arizona’s non-partisan commission was upheld in the Supreme Court.

 

[phoenix2020]

Stacey Abrams says she supports Manchin's voting rights compromise

The leading voting rights activist said Thursday that she supported the West Virginia senator’s compromise.

www.yahoo.com

Key provisions in Manchin’s proposal include mandating an early voting period and eliminating partisan gerrymandering in an attempt to get fair legislative maps, in addition to making Election Day a federal holiday and increasing access to absentee balloting. However, Manchin’s proposal also backed a couple of provisions typically opposed by Democrats, including increased voter ID requirements and allowing local election officials to purge voting rolls.

I thought it was a pretty good balance and do support it. I'd like to see some guaranteed funding to facilitate access to Voter ID for impoverished communities and didn't see that front-and-center in his proposal but perhaps it's in there somewhere and I haven't read it. Otherwise it seems like a very reasonable compromise -- the kind I'd like to see more of from Congress.

I'm disgusted with Mitch McConnell immediately jumping to the "I can't support Stacey Abrahms endorsed bills" partisan hackery that is his bread and butter. What a terrible human being. I'm not optimistic about any compromise bill of any kind getting past Mitch.

 

[JANFU]

Plus legalizing millions of foreign aliens who came to the US illegally

This is about voting rights

 

[JANFU]

Chief Justice Roberts was very angry in his dissent when Arizona’s non-partisan commission was upheld in the Supreme Court.

Link and quotes pls. I have no context, knowledge or any information on this.

 

[JANFU]

Well, the left are all for eliminating the filibuster, adding blue states, and adding seats to the Supreme Court. Isn't that "a system that benefits you"?

Voting rights is the OP
Derailing your own thread?
Things not going your way?

 

[phoenix2020]

Well, the left are all for eliminating the filibuster, adding blue states, and adding seats to the Supreme Court. Isn't that "a system that benefits you"?

I think it's really up to Mitch McConnell. We're not going anywhere as a nation when there is one guy whose only litmus test for a bill whether it fits his neat equation for zero-sum politicking. With so many global competitive threats to America these days and no convenient world wars or cultural revolutions to keep them at bay, we can't afford six years of paralysis by Mitch because the only thing he's interested in is a bill that gives him everything he wants and everyone else nothing. The guy has proven again and again that he's going to be the wrench in the gears and while I think losing the filibuster would be devastating, I'm very nearly at the point of supporting this because McConnell through his actions is not giving anyone a single good reason to keep it around.

If you really think it's worth keeping, you need to direct your ire away from Democrats/left and toward Mitch McConnell being unwilling to ever follow norms, compromise or put the interests of the nation ahead of the interests of his caucus. Come back to the rest of us when you've solved the Mitch problem. Otherwise don't be surprised when the majority of the nation is fed up with him and decides to act accordingly to take him out of the loop.

 

[Moderate Right]

I thought it was a pretty good balance and do support it. I'd like to see some guaranteed funding to facilitate access to Voter ID for impoverished communities and didn't see that front-and-center in his proposal but perhaps it's in there somewhere and I haven't read it. Otherwise it seems like a very reasonable compromise -- the kind I'd like to see more of from Congress.

I'm disgusted with Mitch McConnell immediately jumping to the "I can't support Stacey Abrahms endorsed bills" partisan hackery that is his bread and butter. What a terrible human being. I'm not optimistic about any compromise bill of any kind getting past Mitch.

No matter how poor you are you can get an ID for cheap and they indeed do. They need an ID for all kinds of things like government benefits, to buy cigarettes, alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, etc. And illegals can even get driver's licenses in some states. If an illegal can get an ID there's no reason why everyone else can't. It's a myth of the left that poor people don't have ID's and those big bad Republicans won't let them get ID's. Give me a break.

 

[Moderate Right]

Voting rights is the OP
Derailing your own thread?
Things not going your way?

You could have just said you wanted to change the subject because you know I'm right. I was responding to a post.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Link and quotes pls. I have no context, knowledge or any information on this.

ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE, APPELLANT v.ARIZONA INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION et al.

Chief Justice Roberts, with whom Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas, and Justice Alito join, dissenting.

Just over a century ago, Arizona became the second State in the Union to ratify the Seventeenth Amendment. That Amendment transferred power to choose United States Senators from “the Legislature” of each State, Art. I, §3, to “the people thereof.” The Amendment re-sulted from an arduous, decades-long campaign in which reformers across the country worked hard to garner approval from Congress and three-quarters of the States.

What chumps! Didn’t they realize that all they had to do was interpret the constitutional term “the Legislature” to mean “the people”? The Court today performs just such a magic trick with the Elections Clause. Art. I, §4. That Clause vests congressional redistricting authority in “the Legislature” of each State. An Arizona ballot initiative transferred that authority from “the Legislature” to an “Independent Redistricting Commission.” The majority approves this deliberate constitutional evasion by doing what the proponents of the Seventeenth Amendment dared not: revising “the Legislature” to mean “the people.”

 

[EMNofSeattle]

And of course every vote counts, unless you are of the opposing party
7 States have moved away from that and have Commissions to allocate
Most developed democracies have them
Do you consider the US to be a developed democracy?
Heck Canada has them.

Well of course, those other countries have been thoroughly hijacked by the left. The left has created this myth that there can be such a thing as a non-partisan commission. But normally this commissions are staffed with dedicated leftists.

 

[Moderate Right]

I think it's really up to Mitch McConnell. We're not going anywhere as a nation when there is one guy whose only litmus test for a bill whether it fits his neat equation for zero-sum politicking. With so many global competitive threats to America these days and no convenient world wars or cultural revolutions to keep them at bay, we can't afford six years of paralysis by Mitch because the only thing he's interested in is a bill that gives him everything he wants and everyone else nothing. The guy has proven again and again that he's going to be the wrench in the gears and while I think losing the filibuster would be devastating, I'm very nearly at the point of supporting this because McConnell through his actions is not giving anyone a single good reason to keep it around.

If you really think it's worth keeping, you need to direct your ire away from Democrats/left and toward Mitch McConnell being unwilling to ever follow norms, compromise or put the interests of the nation ahead of the interests of his caucus. Come back to the rest of us when you've solved the Mitch problem. Otherwise don't be surprised when the majority of the nation is fed up with him and decides to act accordingly to take him out of the loop.

LOL. As Democrats want to push only their agenda by eliminating the filibuster, adding blue states, and adding seats to the Supreme Court. Isn't that all about the left wanting to further their agenda, and yet you criticize McConnell for wanting to follow his agenda? You, sir, are the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[JANFU]

Well of course, those other countries have been thoroughly hijacked by the left. The left has created this myth that there can be such a thing as a non-partisan commission. But normally this commissions are staffed with dedicated leftists.

Is the US a developed democracy?
Hard one for some, but I am sure you can pull out and opinion

 

[Moderate Right]

Well of course, those other countries have been thoroughly hijacked by the left. The left has created this myth that there can be such a thing as a non-partisan commission. But normally this commissions are staffed with dedicated leftists.

Exactly. To the left bipartisan means having a commission of like 11 Democrats and one Republican so they can claim it is bipartisan or non-partisan.

 

[iguanaman]

What is "the least of the problems in the Red States now"?

At any rate, the thread asked whether or not we approve of Manchin's 'compromise', and I noted that my biggest concern about that compromise is that it gives the GOP something that is sure to accomplish the disenfranchisement they want, and will probably do a better job of it than the other things they are doing in red states combined.

Put in voter ID and beef up voter roll purging without meaningfully dealing with the poor especially rural poor - things in the 'compromise' - and you render a lot of the other parts superfluous. If you can't get an ID because your work hours/location/etc simply do not permit it, and it doesn't matter whether you can have a federal holiday to vote, doesn't matter whether you have more or less days to vote, doesn't matter whether you can request mail-in ballots, etc.



If requiring voter ID federally is part of this, it is absolutely essential to make sure that everyone who wants/needs a voter ID really can get it easily and fairly. All the other protections are largely meaningless if red states get to play with how hard it is to get an ID and where. Recall WI, when it passed voter ID but then quickly moved to close and/or reduce hours of places you could get IDs in Dem-heavy areas, while beefing up hours in R-heavy ones?

That's the kind of games they'll play, and so inclusion of a voter ID is my main concern about his compromise.

Manchin is either playing a long game or he's the dumbest human on earth. There is literally zero incentive for a single Republican to come on board with any kind of voting rights bill, however stripped down.

Wake me when something different happens. This is not different.

He was shamed into saying what he wanted but when he sees there are still no Reps. onboard it will be time for him to vote to end the filibuster. Enough is enough. He has a chance to be the hero in W. Virginia and they will get a windfall in the infrastructure bill if he just wakes up. He will surely lose his seat if he doesn't.

 

[iguanaman]

Well of course, those other countries have been thoroughly hijacked by the left. The left has created this myth that there can be such a thing as a non-partisan commission. But normally this commissions are staffed with dedicated leftists.

LOL There is no such thing as bipartisan anything on the right. Either you lie about the election or you are not welcome anymore. They have become totally corrupt.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

hey, North Carolina got to use their racist gerrymandered districts for 6 years. i'm sure it was worth it to them...

North Carolina's Racial Gerrymandering Was Unconstitutional

The Supreme Court ends a six-year fight over 2011 congressional maps that diluted black voting strength in the state.

www.theatlantic.com

In a world where race is considered the predominant part of your identity, there is no way to draw legislative districts that is not partially racial at least. So therefore it doesn’t matter. I think North Carolina should draw other districts back the way they were, and refused to abide by the Supreme Court. The constitution explicitly states that legislatures have the sole authority for drying their districts.