Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

[Moderate Right]

Simply rhetoric. Nothing else. Her husband was the last president to reduce deficit spending into the green. Republican performance on reducing the deficit has been dismal.

They Talk the Walk, and Walk the Rhetoric.

Interesting how you swept right past Obama and started talking about how great Democrats do with the national debt by bringing up one president from 25 years ago. Is that the best you can do?

 

[Media_Truth]

Interesting how you swept right past Obama and started talking about how great Democrats do with the national debt by bringing up one president from 25 years ago. Is that the best you can do?

:lamo But you have nothing to draw on :lamo

 

[Media_Truth]

All you have is this could happen, that could happen. It's always the left's rallying cry, Republicans are fighting a war on women, a war on the poor, a war on seniors, a war on everything. Voters aren't buying your crap anymore.

A whopping 23% of Americans approve of the Republican Tax Plan. Even less on this forum. I'd say the voters are having a harder time buying your crap:2wave:

 

[Moderate Right]

:lamo But you have nothing to draw on :lamo

I already provided evidence that the Reagan tax cuts grew the economy after his recession faster than what Obama did after his recession.

 

[Moderate Right]

A whopping 23% of Americans approve of the Republican Tax Plan. Even less on this forum. I'd say the voters are having a harder time buying your crap:2wave:

Republican voters are upset that the tax plan adds to the debt. We could have done a similar plan that does not add to the debt. Ironically, Democrats could care less about adding to the debt and they would still be against the plan even if it were revenue neutral.

 

[Nuber]

Interesting how you swept right past Obama and started talking about how great Democrats do with the national debt by bringing up one president from 25 years ago. Is that the best you can do?

Don't forget that the president he is claiming Democrat pride for accomplished this feat with a Republican congress (6 out of 8 years, anyway). In Clinton's case, the financial boon was created by the tech sector surge, not by any democrat policy. An entire industry was engaging in its maiden public sector voyage creating a tremendous economic boom, and making tons of cash for the feds along the way. To claim this is an exclusive feather in the cap of Democrats is not seeing the entire picture. Presidents get more credit and more blame than they deserve.

 

[Russell797]

Lower corporate tax rates will cause business relocations from overseas back to the US, bringing jobs to America.

BS....When corporations can exploit the American worker for slave labor cost, they will return to this country.

My wife, eight years ago now, lost her corporate accounting job to TWO overseas employees whom she was forced to train....you read that right...it was cheaper for HP to employ two people to do my wife's same exact job.

 

[Russell797]

All you have is this could happen, that could happen. It's always the left's rallying cry, Republicans are fighting a war on women, a war on the poor, a war on seniors, a war on everything. Voters aren't buying your crap anymore.

There are more Democrats than there are Republicans..More people voted for Clinton than Trump. In this country it doesn't matter though. You don't get to use the gerrymandered election scheme which decides elections to claim numbers of support which are in reality not there.

 

[Lerxst]

I voted no, simply because the people pushing it up to the President don't fully know what it means for the American people. There are already numerous mistakes that are being found (now that economic experts are actually combing through it). It's clear there are huge benefits for the wealthy and corporations, little to no temporary benefits for the middle class, and nothing either way for the poor. What they don't seem to know is what the actual impact, good or bad, will be for the country. Redefining how COLA raises for social security recipients will be calculated is an obvious negative affect for millions of citizens who desperately need that benefit to pay their bills.

So...NO.

 

[RAMOSS]

It goes in the wrong direction. The state/local tax removal is a double tax for many people, and the estate tax should be increased, not decreased.

Also, capital gains should be taxed as the same rate as all other income.

 

[Moderate Right]

BS....When corporations can exploit the American worker for slave labor cost, they will return to this country.

My wife, eight years ago now, lost her corporate accounting job to TWO overseas employees whom she was forced to train....you read that right...it was cheaper for HP to employ two people to do my wife's same exact job.

Thanks for illustrating my point. Americans price themselves right out of the labor market by being too demanding. Lowering corporate taxes will help bring those jobs back.

 

[Moderate Right]

There are more Democrats than there are Republicans..More people voted for Clinton than Trump. In this country it doesn't matter though. You don't get to use the gerrymandered election scheme which decides elections to claim numbers of support which are in reality not there.

Over the last several years Democrats have lost over 1000 seats. Republicans own the presidency, the Senate, and 2/3'ds of governorships and state legislatures. Please explain to me how these were gerrymandered.

 

[Media_Truth]

Republican voters are upset that the tax plan adds to the debt. We could have done a similar plan that does not add to the debt. Ironically, Democrats could care less about adding to the debt and they would still be against the plan even if it were revenue neutral.

Coulda- woulda - shoulda... So you are saying that the Republicans are screwing up royally. This is not a minor disagreement - adding to the debt, while building the bank accounts of multimillionaires and billionaires. You flippantly act like it is no big deal.

 

[digsbe]

I support it. We need to lower taxes more though and drastically reduce spending.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Lower corporate tax rates will cause business relocations from overseas back to the US, bringing jobs to America.

I completely support lowering the corporate rate to something reasonable. No loopholes, exceptions, exclusions, favored "classes" or any other nonsense. The rate could probably be between 15-20%. Problem is, the companies that can afford to play that game are paying less than that now, and labor is cheaper overseas.

Why does the GOP need to sunset all of the cuts for the non-.1% to get the cost of this package down to a staggering (whatever the fudge number is now)? Study: GOP tax plan would cost $2.4 trillion | TheHill

 

[Russell797]

Over the last several years Democrats have lost over 1000 seats. Republicans own the presidency, the Senate, and 2/3'ds of governorships and state legislatures. Please explain to me how these were gerrymandered.

Easy...the number of red states outnumber the blue states by a considerable margin...That's indisputable...so there you have a built in advantage going to Republicans by default. Every state gets two Senators regardless of population..it's a wonder Democrats ever have a majority in any branch..Governorships are one per state. There are far more Republican districts in all the states, than there are Democrat dominated ones.

Despite all that geographical Republican advantage, Democrat have greater numbers everywhere combined, but they are more isolated into high population density regions. Therefore their numerical advantage can be defeated by the election system and the way representatives are proportioned.

 

[Moderate Right]

Coulda- woulda - shoulda... So you are saying that the Republicans are screwing up royally. This is not a minor disagreement - adding to the debt, while building the bank accounts of multimillionaires and billionaires. You flippantly act like it is no big deal.

Actually, since you guys are perfectly fine with adding to the debt as long as it is done your way, you can't complain about Republicans adding to the debt their way. But, that is the reason why Republicans being polled aren't crazy about the tax plan. You, however, can't use that as an excuse because you don't care about adding to the debt.

 

[Moderate Right]

I completely support lowering the corporate rate to something reasonable. No loopholes, exceptions, exclusions, favored "classes" or any other nonsense. The rate could probably be between 15-20%. Problem is, the companies that can afford to play that game are paying less than that now, and labor is cheaper overseas.

Why does the GOP need to sunset all of the cuts for the non-.1% to get the cost of this package down to a staggering (whatever the fudge number is now)? Study: GOP tax plan would cost $2.4 trillion | TheHill

We could make individual's tax cuts permanent if Democrats would join in to get the 60 votes needed but they won't do that.

 

[Moderate Right]

Easy...the number of red states outnumber the blue states by a considerable margin...That's indisputable...so there you have a built in advantage going to Republicans by default. Every state gets two Senators regardless of population..it's a wonder Democrats ever have a majority in any branch..Governorships are one per state. There are far more Republican districts in all the states, than there are Democrat dominated ones.

Despite all that geographical Republican advantage, Democrat have greater numbers everywhere combined, but they are more isolated into high population density regions. Therefore their numerical advantage can be defeated by the election system and the way representatives are proportioned.

But you blamed gerrymandering. Please explain how the presidency, the Senate, the governorships, and the state legislatures are gerrymandered.

 

[Russell797]

Thanks for illustrating my point. Americans price themselves right out of the labor market by being too demanding. Lowering corporate taxes will help bring those jobs back.

However, our high standard of living demands those high salaries and high tax rates. We get what we pay for.

Exploiting the southeast Asian work force, keeps expenses low and profits high...That's why the corporations go outside the U.S. . Maybe some will come back, I doubt they will abandon their more profitable operations overseas to do so however. They already saturate the market with their products, no need to make more here for less return.

 

[Russell797]

But you blamed gerrymandering. Please explain how the presidency, the Senate, the governorships, and the state legislatures are gerrymandered.

Redistricting further isolates the Democrats into large pools where their total numbers are rendered ineffective by the way representatives are proportioned.

Gerrymander:

1. . U.S. Politics. the dividing of a state, county, etc., into election districts so as to give one political party a majority in many districts while concentrating the voting strength of the other party into as few districts as possible.

 

[Moderate Right]

However, our high standard of living demands those high salaries and high tax rates. We get what we pay for.

Exploiting the southeast Asian work force, keeps expenses low and profits high...That's why the corporations go outside the U.S. . Maybe some will come back, I doubt they will abandon their more profitable operations overseas to do so however. They already saturate the market with their products, no need to make more here for less return.

Foreign labor is getting more expensive. By lowering corporate tax rates it will be a lot harder for corporations to want to move in the first place and some will have incentive to come back. The liberal strategy of letting them move and then demanding Walmart pay $15 per hour is a stupid plan and the only one Democrats have. That's why Trump won. Americans realized that the liberal plan is stupid.

 

[Moderate Right]

Redistricting further isolates the Democrats into large pools where their total numbers are rendered ineffective by the way representatives are proportioned.

Gerrymander:

1. . U.S. Politics. the dividing of a state, county, etc., into election districts so as to give one political party a majority in many districts while concentrating the voting strength of the other party into as few districts as possible.

When are you going to answer my question? Here it is again: Please explain how the presidency, the Senate, the governorships, and the state legislatures are gerrymandered.

 

[Media_Truth]

Actually, since you guys are perfectly fine with adding to the debt as long as it is done your way, you can't complain about Republicans adding to the debt their way. But, that is the reason why Republicans being polled aren't crazy about the tax plan. You, however, can't use that as an excuse because you don't care about adding to the debt.

You enjoy putting words into the mouths of others? Even when somebody says something that totally contradicts your assertions.:roll:

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I like the state tax deduction elimination.... That wins it for me. It's a completely unfair deduction.

How so? Most states with high state income and property taxes are donor states in that they already pay far more in federal income taxes than they get in spending.