Do You Support Free Speech? Really? Would you defend it if attacked?

[upsideguy]

Recently we have had two Democrats running for President seeking to shut down the speech:

1. Joe Biden writing all major news outlets (print and TV) in an attempt to stop Rudy Giuliani, the personal lawyer of the president Trump from disseminating his views.

2. Kamala Harris has pushed to get Trump banned from Twitter.

How does killing free speech in these cases serve the Republic? The public. The electorate?

In days not so long ago, Democrats stated they would aggressively defend the right of their opponent to say what they wanted, even if they disagreed with it profusely.

Would you come to the defense of a political opponent who has had his speech curtailed? Would you defend that individual to speak their mind? Would you even encourage it?

A couple (like in two) Leftists have smacked Kamala in this forum for her stupidity, but I sure haven’t seen Leftists as a whole defend free speech when attacked by Biden and Kamala.

Options:

Do you support Free Speech? Would you defend it if attacked?

1. I support free speech and would defend anyone against theirs being attacked.

2. I support free speech but wouldn’t say anything if an opponent were being attacked

3. If an opponent has his free speech right attacked, I’ll stay quiet and watch

4. If an opponent has his free speech right attacked, I’ll jump in and join the attacker(s)

5. I don’t support my opponents right to free speech. **** ‘em.

Biden speaking out against Guiliani IS free speech. The petitioned news organizations are free to respond any way they chose. That is free speech also. What you are seemingly complaining about here is free speech at work.

Trump's use of Twitter is a different matter. First off, the 1st Amendment is not about protecting the rights of the rulers to say as they chose, its about protecting the rights of the citizens. Trump has no real "free speech right" in his role as President.

That said, what Harris was suggesting was the danger Trump poses in his free spirited, impulsive tweets. If Twitter chose to shut Trump down they would be fully within their rights as he has been in violation of its ToS on numerous occasions.

Trump breaks Twitter’s rules, so why not ban him? | Hannah Jane Parkinson | Opinion | The Guardian

It Twitter shut him down for ToS violations it would be their sole prerogative. He would have no foundation to sue them for violating his 1st amendment rights.

Why Twitter has not banned him, is a mystery. I can only conclude he is good for business. Look how much Trump has built the Twitter brand.

Your broader indictment that this is somehow Democrats not supporting free speech is a giant fail.

 

[Helix]

Speaking of imagining thinks, you imagine that you made a coherent statement (you did not) and then think that you can dictate the actions of others. Talk about totalitarian desires.

You of course and say whatever you want. The reader does not have to believe your statements and has an equal right to call BS. As in this case, BS.

Bye the way, it was you who brought in the constitution. Re-read your post and it becomes evident that it is you who is doing the imagining.

I'm afraid that the state of confusion is intentional and permanent. Have a great day, though.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Do you support Free Speech?

Does the Pope **** in the woods?

:alert Warning! Daily Zimmer Troll Thread Alert :alert

 

[Drawdown]

You’re right, that last sentence was a cluster****... See below.

I guess you wouldn’t come to the defense of a political opponent who is having his speech curtailed?

I will almost always oppose content-based restriction by the government on speech. I generally oppose people trying to shout down or shut down opposition regardless of what they are advocating but that is not quite the same as first amendment stuff. As long as people are being reasonably civil, I have no personal problem with them being allowed the right advocate for whatever it is they want to go on about.

 

[Arjay81]

I'm afraid that the state of confusion is intentional and permanent. Have a great day, though.

That would explain you and your desire to run away when unable to defend your heinous statements. Something that I have come to expect from such as you.

 

[Helix]

That would explain you and your desire to run away when unable to defend your heinous statements. Something that I have come to expect from such as you.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

 

[zimmer]

I will almost always oppose content-based restriction by the government on speech. I generally oppose people trying to shout down or shut down opposition regardless of what they are advocating but that is not quite the same as first amendment stuff. As long as people are being reasonably civil, I have no personal problem with them being allowed the right advocate for whatever it is they want to go on about.

So, according to the boded above, you oppose Kamala and Biden attempting to shut down Trump? One across all major media, and the other on his wildly popular twitter feed?

 

[zimmer]

Does the Pope **** in the woods?

:alert Warning! I’m incapable of Debate :alert

You would defend the right of an opponent to say his piece unhindered?

So you condemn what Kamala and Biden have attempted? Trying to shut down Trump’s lawyer from appearing on any major media platform, and Kamala writing twitter to have him banned? Is that what you’re saying? Knowing your history, I seriously doubt it.

 

[SMTA]

Recently we have had two Democrats running for President seeking to shut down the speech:

1. Joe Biden writing all major news outlets (print and TV) in an attempt to stop Rudy Giuliani, the personal lawyer of the president Trump from disseminating his views.

2. Kamala Harris has pushed to get Trump banned from Twitter.

How does killing free speech in these cases serve the Republic? The public. The electorate?

In days not so long ago, Democrats stated they would aggressively defend the right of their opponent to say what they wanted, even if they disagreed with it profusely.

Would you come to the defense of a political opponent who has had his speech curtailed? Would you defend that individual to speak their mind? Would you even encourage it?

A couple (like in two) Leftists have smacked Kamala in this forum for her stupidity, but I sure haven’t seen Leftists as a whole defend free speech when attacked by Biden and Kamala.

Options:

Do you support Free Speech? Would you defend it if attacked?

1. I support free speech and would defend anyone against theirs being attacked.

2. I support free speech but wouldn’t say anything if an opponent were being attacked

3. If an opponent has his free speech right attacked, I’ll stay quiet and watch

4. If an opponent has his free speech right attacked, I’ll jump in and join the attacker(s)

5. I don’t support my opponents right to free speech. **** ‘em.

I support free speech, even when ****face Von Clownstick lies directly to Americans, lies and bullies people on his twitter account, and the WH constantly lies to all citizens.
I even support your right to spew your vile, warped opinions, hatred, and outright lies here on DP.

 

[Drawdown]

So, according to the boded above, you oppose Kamala and Biden attempting to shut down Trump? One across all major media, and the other on his wildly popular twitter feed?

I defend their right to say it. I disagree with what they chose to say.

 

[zimmer]

Biden speaking out against Guiliani IS free speech. The petitioned news organizations are free to respond any way they chose. That is free speech also. What you are seemingly complaining about here is free speech at work.

Trump's use of Twitter is a different matter. First off, the 1st Amendment is not about protecting the rights of the rulers to say as they chose, its about protecting the rights of the citizens. Trump has no real "free speech right" in his role as President.

That said, what Harris was suggesting was the danger Trump poses in his free spirited, impulsive tweets. If Twitter chose to shut Trump down they would be fully within their rights as he has been in violation of its ToS on numerous occasions.

Trump breaks Twitter’s rules, so why not ban him? | Hannah Jane Parkinson | Opinion | The Guardian

It Twitter shut him down for ToS violations it would be their sole prerogative. He would have no foundation to sue them for violating his 1st amendment rights.

Why Twitter has not banned him, is a mystery. I can only conclude he is good for business. Look how much Trump has built the Twitter brand.

Your broader indictment that this is somehow Democrats not supporting free speech is a giant fail.

You just illustrated you do not support free speech.

Of course Biden speaking out as he did in an attempt to deny another’s free speech... is free speech. It’s also idiotic.

Trump has no real "free speech right" in his role as President.

That’s stupid. Trump has all the rights of an American citizen.

That said, what Harris was suggesting was the danger Trump poses in his free spirited, impulsive tweets.

What Harris said in her attempt to shut down the twitter account of Trump is moronic, but it gives us insight to who this person really is. That’s the beauty of free speech. She and Biden were given sufficient rope, and they hung themselves with it.

This discussion reveals Leftists do not support free speech. There is no disgust at what Biden and Harris have attempted in trying to shut down the speech of their political opponent. But a defense of it.

Oi vey.

 

[Arjay81]

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

I am surprised that you don't attempt to infract it as it is critical of you and all you claim.

 

[mike2810]

With all the coverage on Trump, the impeachment and the 2020 election, makes me wonder if the "equal time rule" and "fairness doctrine" are being applied by the networks.

Equal Time Rule | The First Amendment Encyclopedia

 

[zimmer]

I support free speech, even when ****face Von Clownstick lies directly to Americans, lies and bullies people on his twitter account, and the WH constantly lies to all citizens.
I even support your right to spew your vile, warped opinions, hatred, and outright lies here on DP.

Well, that’s not true.

I know you. You don’t support free speech.

My bet is when hidden from the greater public, you would rejoice and partake gleefully in a mob denying someone their speech... wouldn’t you? You really seem like a bitter... follow the mob type vandal.

 

[joko104]

The orange moron violated Twitter's TOS by threatening entire countries, so his account should be closed. As Twitter is a private company, he has no more legal right to post his drooling idiocy there than someone has to post here. Of course, Twitter wants the traffic, so they let him break the rules.

The president can't threaten other countries? :roll:

 

[Helix]

I am surprised that you don't attempt to infract it as it is critical of you and all you claim.

Have a great life. Peace!

 

[Helix]

The president can't threaten other countries? :lamo

Threats violate the TOS, unless you are orange, brainless, and powerful with a lot of followers.

 

[SMTA]

Well, that’s not true.

I know you. You don’t support free speech.

My bet is when hidden from the greater public, you would rejoice and partake gleefully in a mob denying someone their speech... wouldn’t you? You really seem like a bitter... follow the mob type vandal.

You hurry along now - is time for your KKK meeting.

 

[zimmer]

Threats violate the TOS, unless you are orange, brainless, and powerful with a lot of followers.

You’re reaching, but I’m not surprised by your not defending free speech aggressively.

You’re a Leftist. It’s consistent with the modus operandi of Leftists.

 

[Mach]

I support limits.
That includes on free speech, just like *everything else*.

 

[zimmer]

I support limits.
That includes on free speech, just like *everything else*.

You support what Biden and Harris have done in attempting to shut down the speech of Trump’s lawyer all through the major media and on Twitter?

 

[zimmer]

You hurry along now - is time for your KKK meeting.

Look at what happens to you when you’re frustrated?

Given the opportunity to do the right thing when nobody is looking, you wouldn’t... would you? Instead you seem like the kind of fella that would rejoice and partake in mob behavior denying someone their free speech... wouldn’t you? It’d be fun for you, trying to exact revenge... would it not?

I on the other hand am for the maximum of free speech. I encourage it. Defend it. Believe in its ability to serve society best. Unlike Leftists here. I’d rather be shot between the eyes than deny an opponent their right to speak freely.

You? My guess is not so much.

 

[Mach]

You support what Biden and Harris have done in attempting to shut down the speech of Trump’s lawyer all through the major media and on Twitter?

Trump should be removed as POTUS, of course he should also be removed from Twitter.
Trump violates Twitters code of conduct all the time, he should be treated no differently than anyone else in that regards.

What's bad, someone like you on twitter if you were spreading hate and lies, or someone with the power and viewership of the Presidency doing it?
Why do they even have a code of behavior if they don't use it when it's most needed?
Twitter has nothing to do with free speech (which should be limited), its a private for-profit company, they can do whatever the **** they want.

I don't follow this issue personally, I'm just writing off the cuff.

 

[zimmer]

Trump should be removed as POTUS, of course he should also be removed from Twitter.
Trump violates Twitters code of conduct all the time, he should be treated no differently than anyone else in that regards.

What's bad, someone like you on twitter if you were spreading hate and lies, or someone with the power and viewership of the Presidency doing it?
Why do they even have a code of behavior if they don't use it when it's most needed?
Twitter has nothing to do with free speech (which should be limited), its a private for-profit company, they can do whatever the **** they want.

I don't follow this issue personally, I'm just writing off the cuff.

So you don’t support free speech.

Add another corpse to the fire.

 

[Mach]

So you don’t support free speech.
Add another corpse to the fire.

Trump can spout whatever lies he wants to, there is simply no reason twitter has to allow him access to their service.
Cry more.