Do you support DACA?

[Kal'Stang]

Actually judges do it all the time at sentencing. Eliminate compassion from the law and you get north korea

No actually they do not. That is why we have laws governing the sentencing of criminals. For instance murder in the first degree is guaranteed to put someone in prison for a minimum of 25 years to life in most states or the death penalty.

I believe that you are confusing mitigating factors with aggravating factors. A first time offender with no aggravating factors will often get a smaller sentence than someone with the same crime and aggravating factors. Again, based on law.

 

[Black Dog]

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Since you are a fascist, then according to you, they are your ideals.

Again please point out these "fascist" Ideals I have?

In fact, re-training classes are a part of American jurisprudence and administrative law.

Yes they are. For job training etc. NOT re-education.

Only a fascist or a commie would call such as fascism or communism, so we can only assume that Black Dog is one of the two. Which is it?

lol!

1. You own posts demonstrate just how confusing you are to yourself as well as others.

Well right now in the here and now, just you.

2. Detention centers for immigrants are not prisons. You must have been a very confused police officer.

They are also not re-education camps, try again.

3. The statement is based on your senselessness.

So you make senseless responses because, you think my responce was senseless? Bwahahahahahahaha!

4. Are you a commie or a fascist?

You seem to think you can read minds, you tell me?

 

[molten_dragon]

Deportation is not punishment, sending the children with their parents is not punishment. SMFH

Sending someone away from the only place he's ever known and throwing him into a country and culture he's completely unfamiliar with. Tearing him away from friends, possibly family, his job or school, etc. Sure sounds like punishment to me.

 

[vegas giants]

Until you overturn the courts, I guess your opinion doesn't really matter then. :YAWN:

Uh...DACA is still the law of the land. YOU have to over turn that first. LOL

 

[vegas giants]

No actually they do not. That is why we have laws governing the sentencing of criminals. For instance murder in the first degree is guaranteed to put someone in prison for a minimum of 25 years to life in most states or the death penalty.

I believe that you are confusing mitigating factors with aggravating factors. A first time offender with no aggravating factors will often get a smaller sentence than someone with the same crime and aggravating factors. Again, based on law.

DACA is also based on law and is the law of the land until over turned

 

[molten_dragon]

So deporting the parents while leaving them (the children) here does what? What do we do with those who are under 18?

If they're young kids just send them back, they'll have time to adjust before becoming adults. If they're older, say 15 and up, let them decide if they want to stay or go back with their parents. If they decide to stay, they become a ward of the state for a few years.

 

[JamesBY]

Again please point out these "fascist" Ideals I have? Yes they are. For job training etc. NOT re-education. lol! Well right now in the here an dnow, just you. They are also not re-education camps, try again. So you make senseless responses because, you think my responce was senseless? Bwahahahahahahaha! You seem to think you can read minds, you tell me?

You are fun to watch squirming. Tell us which are you: commie or fascist?

 

[Kal'Stang]

Sending someone away from the only place he's ever known and throwing him into a country and culture he's completely unfamiliar with. Tearing him away from friends, possibly family, his job or school, etc. Sure sounds like punishment to me.

It can also be considered as a new experience. People move all the time. Even to new countries.

Tell me, do you consider it a punishment for parents to tear their children away from their friends and everything they are familiar with when they move to a new location?

Note: This is coming from someone who's parents did this very thing through out my childhood. I know what its like.

 

[Black Dog]

If they're young kids just send them back, they'll have time to adjust before becoming adults. If they're older, say 15 and up, let them decide if they want to stay or go back with their parents. If they decide to stay, they become a ward of the state for a few years.

I don't think that would be a bad plan to be honest.

 

[Attusblack]

Sending someone away from the only place he's ever known and throwing him into a country and culture he's completely unfamiliar with. Tearing him away from friends, possibly family, his job or school, etc. Sure sounds like punishment to me.

That's a lot of assumptions in one sentence. I'm pretty sure most of them know and remember where they came from. They live in their culture at home, no different then they would in any other country. People move all the time, this would be no different.

 

[Attusblack]

Uh...DACA is still the law of the land. YOU have to over turn that first. LOL

It's not the law of the land, it is merely an EO that can be changed with the stroke of a pen. If the admin fails to use that pen, there are a number of governors that will be taking it to court, just like they did DAPA, where it was found unconstitutional along with DACA 2.0.

 

[vegas giants]

That's a lot of assumptions in one sentence. I'm pretty sure most of them know and remember where they came from. They live in their culture at home, no different then they would in any other country. People move all the time, this would be no different.

When people move they have the option to leave their children with family if they feel it is in the best interest of the children. This is no different

 

[vegas giants]

It's not the law of the land, it is merely an EO that can be changed with the stroke of a pen. If the admin fails to use that pen, there are a number of governors that will be taking it to court, just like they did DAPA, where it was found unconstitutional along with DACA 2.0.

As of TODAY it is the law of the land. That is a FACT.

 

[Kal'Stang]

DACA is also based on law and is the law of the land until over turned

It will either be overturned or it will be taken out by Trump. Since DACA came about due to an EO I hope Trump gets rid of it before it goes to the courts as that would save the country money and time.

 

[Black Dog]

You are fun to watch squirming. Tell us which are you: commie or fascist?

Yes by telling the truth and pointing out your ever so dishonest and flawed argument (and I am using the term argument loosely) I am squirming.

You keep believing that JamesBY. I hope it keeps you warm at night.

 

[vegas giants]

It will either be overturned or it will be taken out by Trump. Since DACA came about due to an EO I hope Trump gets rid of it before it goes to the courts as that would save the country money and time.

I love predictions. As of TODAY it is the law of the land.

 

[Kal'Stang]

I love predictions. As of TODAY it is the law of the land.

So? Just because it is the law today does not discount anything that I have said.

 

[vegas giants]

So? Just because it is the law today does not discount anything that I have said.

As I said I love predictions. I predict the NY Giants will win the superbowl. But lets face it....we are both just guessing (and hoping)

 

[Attusblack]

As of TODAY it is the law of the land. That is a FACT.

It is not a fact, it is not law. SMFH

It's nothing more than a policy signed by Obama that is easily changed with a stroke of a pen.

 

[vegas giants]

It is not a fact, it is not law. SMFH

It's nothing more than a policy signed by Obama that is easily changed with a stroke of a pen.

I love semantics. Tell me ....what difference does that make to a 16 year old kid? LOL

 

[Kal'Stang]

As I said I love predictions. I predict the NY Giants will win the superbowl. But lets face it....we are both just guessing (and hoping)

A post that has nothing to do with the post that you responded to.

I am glad that you like predictions though. However irrelevant they are to what you responded to in that post.

 

[vegas giants]

A post that has nothing to do with the post that you responded to.

I am glad that you like predictions though. However irrelevant they are to what you responded to in that post.

Perhaps I don't understand your point. You believe DACA will be overturned. I believe it will not. Where does that leave us?

 

[Attusblack]

I love semantics. Tell me ....what difference does that make to a 16 year old kid? LOL

Doesn't make any difference to a 16 YO kid, as he doesn't qualify for DACA, they would have had to enter prior to 2007. :SHRUG:

 

[Black Dog]

A post that has nothing to do with the post that you responded to.

I am glad that you like predictions though. However irrelevant they are to what you responded to in that post.

Perhaps I don't understand your point. You believe DACA will be overturned. I believe it will not. Where does that leave us?

What do you two think about this as a compromise? I think it would work well for both sides of the argument, seriously.

If they're young kids just send them back, they'll have time to adjust before becoming adults. If they're older, say 15 and up, let them decide if they want to stay or go back with their parents. If they decide to stay, they become a ward of the state for a few years. - Molton Dragon

What do you think?

 

[vegas giants]

Doesn't make any difference to a 16 YO kid, as he doesn't qualify for DACA, they would have had to enter prior to 2007. :SHRUG:

Correct. Does it make a difference to the people it does apply to?