Do you receive Social Security $$$$ from the government?

[Lord Tammerlain]

I bet you also think fire and police protection is socialism also..

Certainly is, fire protection and armed security can and are provided by private and or directly paid services.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I bet you also think fire and police protection is socialism also..

it depends. who pays for their salaries, time off, medical/short term/long term/AD&D insurance, life insurance and retirement plans?

 

[Eriech]

because a ton of Americans (as proven by our history) don't prepare correctly for their own retirements.

So the government tried to fix stupid?

 

[Bear5131]

Certainly is, fire protection and armed security can and are provided by private and or directly paid services.

Nope it is not

 

[CaughtInThe]

So the government tried to fix stupid?

the Gov was gonna have to pay MORE if they didn't force the dumbasses to save.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Nope it is not

Certainly is,

They are government provided programs that the end user may not have paid a dime to fund. There are areas in the US in which people have to purchase fire protection specifically to have the fire department show up and put out fires. Otherwise they will show up and watch the property burn down. San Fran used to have local police paid for directly by residents rather than through taxes. A movie was mad about it starting Christian Slator

Just like UHC

 

[Bear5131]

Certainly is,

They are government provided programs that the end user may not have paid a dime to fund. There are areas in the US in which people have to purchase fire protection specifically to have the fire department show up and put out fires. Otherwise they will show up and watch the property burn down. San Fran used to have local police paid for directly by residents rather than through taxes. A movie was mad about it starting Christian Slator

Just like UHC

Local fire and police protection is not socialism

Jesus any political ideology would have them

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Local fire and police protection is not socialism

Jesus any political ideology would have them

Does not change that they are socialist programs. They can be supplied by private industry but generally are not

 

[Bear5131]

Does not change that they are socialist programs. They can be supplied by private industry but generally are not

They are not social programs, they are basics needs of a civilized society

 

[Eriech]

the Gov was gonna have to pay MORE if they didn't force the dumbasses to save.

Might be because the social security safety net gives a false sense of retirement security. Or it Might be that the 15% off the top along with all the other tax withholdings doesn't leave much left to save. Food and rent now or save for 20 or more years down the road.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Might be because the social security safety net gives a false sense of retirement security. Or it Might be that the 15% off the top along with all the other tax withholdings doesn't leave much left to save. Food and rent now or save for 20 or more years down the road.

Or, you know, our country actually had a real horrible financial event and people were burning their couches to stay warm while begging for food.

And if people in our country are so smart then why are they not saving enough money to go along with their social security?

 

[Bear5131]

Or, you know, our country actually had a real horrible financial event and people were burning their couches to stay warm while begging for food.

And if people in our country are so smart then why are they not saving enough money to go along with their social security?

Blame the school system, they should be talking about fiscal responsibility in kindergarten instead of sex education

 

[CaughtInThe]

Blame the school system, they should be talking about fiscal responsibility in kindergarten instead of sex education

It's a cross-section of all people in the country who are not saving enough money. That includes left and right.

But I guess it's important for you to find some reason to blame somebody's personal responsibility over their own financial situation on schools.

 

[Bear5131]

It's a cross-section of all people in the country who are not saving enough money. That includes left and right.

But I guess it's important for you to find some reason to blame somebody's personal responsibility over their own financial situation on schools.

Where did I say right or left, don't put words into my mouth

If they would of taught fiscal responsibility in grade schools back in the 1900s till today we wouldn't be in the mess we are today, in government and personal

Most/ smoe people don't go to college or even graduated high school

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

They are not social programs, they are basics needs of a civilized society

Housing, food and health care are basic needs of a civilized society but having the government provide those is socialist. As such Fire and police protection are socialist

 

[Bear5131]

Housing, food and health care are basic needs of a civilized society but having the government provide those is socialist. As such Fire and police protection are socialist

Of course to a lefty everything's socialist

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Of course to a lefty everything's socialist

To a right, anything they don't like is socialist, anything they do like is ok

Aka UHC is socialist while Medicare is perfectly fine at least for the more moronic righties

 

[Eriech]

We a

Or, you know, our country actually had a real horrible financial event and people were burning their couches to stay warm while begging for food.

And if people in our country are so smart then why are they not saving enough money to go along with their social security?

We are on pace to revisit those days.

$1500 to fill an oil tank for a month or so of heat and hot water. 40 % more for groceries. Rents largely unavailable even if you could afford first and last month's rent and security deposit up front.

Government can't fix stupid it can only create stupid.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So you have other health insurance.... Same question: Who pays the majority of your medical expenses: Your HSA or your insurer?

Yes, I have health insurance.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Yes, and before you tell me that I now believe in socialism, that was in place when I was born. Paid in all our life to something that was put in place before I could have made a choice or not.

When it was put into place it was called socialism by the GOP of the time.

If you do not want socialism, or what you believe to be socialism, then you should have been fighting to end Social Security this entire time.

And you have not been paying into it for yourself this entire time. You were paying for those collecting before you could. Just as the money that backs your SS checks are backed by money from MY paycheck.

Just because something was instituted before you were born does not excuse you from the implication that you support socialism because you are taking advantage of it currerntly.

You have to justify why you are okay with socialist programs that benefit you while you complain that America is turning into a socialist nation.

If you truly believe that socialism is bad, then give me and others our money back. The actual money is not yours, it’s ours. Then demand your money back from those who took it from your paycheck.

 

[HikerGuy83]

To a right, anything they don't like is socialist, anything they do like is ok

Aka UHC is socialist while Medicare is perfectly fine at least for the more moronic righties

Medicare is a disaster in the making.

The more moronic lefties don't understand that.

 

[AZRWinger]

People have been claiming that Social Security will collapse for more years than I can remember. I do recall the election of 2000, after Clinton had built up quite a budget surplus, that Al Gore suggested the surplus be moved to a "lock box" to permanently fund SS. Unfortunately Bush won the election, and used the surplus for a round of tax cuts for rich people....the GOP way.

There is no lockbox for SS, not then, not now. By law any surplus over required payments must be "invested" in special purpose bonds held in the SS trust fund.

The revenue from sham SS bonds sale is added back into the general fund where it's spent. Clinton's magnificent surplus shrinks to insignificance.

The Bonds in the SS trust fund, unsecured IOU, are booked as an asset by the treasury. It's a fraudulent treatment that would land private annuity managers in prison. But when you can write the rules and compel tax payments why worry about trivialities like honest accounting.

BYW The Bush tax cuts wrre accross the board. They produced record revenues for the Federal government. But led by Congressional Democrats Congress spent even more.

 

[AZRWinger]

Local fire and police protection is not socialism

Jesus any political ideology would have them

Marxist Democrats with their BLM allies are insisting on defunding the police. They also threaten and attack fire fighters when they show up to the scenes of their arson.

The Marxist Democrat ideology is the exception to yout rule. Their objective is to burn the Republic to the ground to save it of course.

 

[Indydave]

They tried to create a private option. The Democrats said “no.”

they learned from the trickle down bs

 

[highroller]

By force not a choice

You don’t have to claim the money and you could have gone Amish.

I have an uncle that won’t be claiming SS because he never paid into the system.