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Do You REALLY Believe that the U.S. Initiates War to Defend our Freedom?

Dittohead not! said:
Well, he did have a secret plan to end the war, at least that was the campaign promise. It turned out his secret plan was to declare victory and go home.

Would he have had such a plan had there not been demonstrations against the war? There is no way to know for sure, but I really don't think so.
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You should probably read a book about it, it becomes kinda clear.
 
US Conservative said:
Its the truth, see my sig and guess how you fit in.
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Well, if you take guidance from a democratic socialist and also trash progressivism, one would hope you trash it from the Left, rather than from the Right.
 
US Conservative said:
Sometimes the harshest criticism comes from within-hence the Orwell quote. He was right about you, ya know.
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Which I find rather odd, considering your statement was hardly more than what has been spit out by many conservatives willy nilly for decades. Of course, the most talented among them had a great deal more nuance.
 
tori higgs said:
or, do you believe, as i do, that the u.s. Initiates war for the sole purpose of enhancing and empowering the elite in the military complex? I used to believe that my country truly desired to protect me. However, at my age, i've long since figured it out. While i watched my friends come home minus limbs, and in body bags, during the vietnam conflict, our country was installing communism right here at home. Please view this interview of former iraq war vet, adam kokesh, by jesse ventura; then, share your views: adam kokesh goes #offthegrid - off the grid - ora.tv. Thanks.
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WW1. We didn't want this one, but went in to finish the job.
WW2. We didn't want this one either, but went in to finish the job.
Korea. Stopping Communists. They butcher people like they're chickens.
Vietnam. Stopping Communists. They butcher people like they're chickens.
Grenada. Freeing Americans, and eliminating a Communist menace.
The Balkans. Pacifist Europeans and the Hollywoodland crowd begged us to come clean up a mess in the Euro's own backyard.
Iraq. Helped stabilize the supply of oil. We weren't alone during either of these wars. We had large coalitions
 
There has never been anything exceptional about America ...that ..."chant"...was only about indoctrination. Rather, what America has ....is money. Compared to many other nation Americas has more money...and absolutely nothing else.
Now let's talk about that money and how America amass this bounty.

Let's start with a 238 year old country that held slaves and profited from free labor for over 300 years!!

Now let's go abroad and look at the multiple proxy wars American has fought over the centuries.
It's a very simple formula ...when America see's some treasure (AKA "strategic interest") they go there and find a strong-man. Men willing to sell out their country for personal wealth....a flat in Manhattan....America Pu$$Y...whatever. For decades America have had these dictators lined up in the oil rich nation.

It's amusing arguing with the KOOL AIDE drinkers on the right when it comes to IRAQ for example. A war ...GWB ...just had to have. Right now there is a small contingent of GI's in IRAQ who'll be there for decades ...why? To protect the bounty America went there for ...the Iraqi OIL. It's easy pickings when they've completely destroyed the rest of the country.

It's very simple..... America's only card is money ....and it's money they stole!!

The American army is not here to protect any ...frree-DUMS.....it's here to steal and loot and pillage for more of that money.
 
thinkforyoursel said:
There has never been anything exceptional about America ...that ..."chant"...was only about indoctrination. Rather, what America has ....is money. Compared to many other nation Americas has more money...and absolutely nothing else.
Now let's talk about that money and how America amass this bounty.

Let's start with a 238 year old country that held slaves and profited from free labor for over 300 years!!

Now let's go abroad and look at the multiple proxy wars American has fought over the centuries.
It's a very simple formula ...when America see's some treasure (AKA "strategic interest") they go there and find a strong-man. Men willing to sell out their country for personal wealth....a flat in Manhattan....America Pu$$Y...whatever. For decades America have had these dictators lined up in the oil rich nation.

It's amusing arguing with the KOOL AIDE drinkers on the right when it comes to IRAQ for example. A war ...GWB ...just had to have. Right now there is a small contingent of GI's in IRAQ who'll be there for decades ...why? To protect the bounty America went there for ...the Iraqi OIL. It's easy pickings when they've completely destroyed the rest of the country.

It's very simple..... America's only card is money ....and it's money they stole!!

The American army is not here to protect any ...frree-DUMS.....it's here to steal and loot and pillage for more of that money.
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Wars are primarily about resources. I'm always amazed at people that come to this realization late and think they have some secret insider info lol

At some time, somewhere along the line, someone taught these people that wars are/should be for freedom and righteousness and all that claptrap and they believed it! How naive. Then they learned the truth and assume that anyone that is for wars in certain times must believe the nonsense they used to believe- because they can't imagine that anyone would be okay with it were it not for the idealistic bull**** they used to think. Laughable, really.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
What was your position in politics then?

Do you think the hippies stopped the war? lol
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It was pretty clear that the war protests had a huge impact on the decision to leave Vietnam. They certainly had a big impact on Lyndon Johnson and on the presidential campaign that followed his decision not to run for a second term.
 
We start wars because we can. Elected officials get elected because they have a passion for power and control which exceeds the misery involved in running for office. So we have a bunch of power hungry, controlling people with more power than anyone else with a huge military establishment. Hence we get wars. It is inexcusable to me.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It was pretty clear that the war protests had a huge impact on the decision to leave Vietnam. They certainly had a big impact on Lyndon Johnson and on the presidential campaign that followed his decision not to run for a second term.
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Wait, is your stance that the hippies spotted the war, or that they had a huge impact on it? Be clear before we move on.
 
fmw said:
We start wars because we can. Elected officials get elected because they have a passion for power and control which exceeds the misery involved in running for office. So we have a bunch of power hungry, controlling people with more power than anyone else with a huge military establishment. Hence we get wars. It is inexcusable to me.
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We get in wars because leaders are evil. Very convenient- because most people will never be leaders, it's a very safe way to go through life.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Wait, is your stance that the hippies spotted the war, or that they had a huge impact on it? Be clear before we move on.
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Spotted the war? I'm not familiar with that phrase, but I think the war would have gone on longer had there not been anti war demonstrations at home. Surely to goodness it would have ended sooner or later anyway, but it wouldn't have ended as soon as it did.

The anti war protesters, most of whom were no doubt "hippies", are the "liberals" who are blamed for "making us lose the war in Vietnam" according to the hawk talking points. If you define "liberals" as "anti war protesters", and if you believe that the war was eventually winnable (both somewhat questionable) then they do have a point.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
We get in wars because leaders are evil. Very convenient- because most people will never be leaders, it's a very safe way to go through life.
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Ah...the old "evil-tag"....again. Let me tell you how it works. Remember I say America scour the globe looking for treasures ..AKA .."strategic interests".
And when they do the game is to find that country's strongman to sell out his country for personal gains? Well...sometimes it doesn't work ...where that strategy fails ....that leader must be quickly ..."evil-tagged" ...by the American press.

Think about this for a minute ....America ...who held slaves themselves ...are in somebody's country ...killing them and their people ...and calling the people there ....evil.:( Extremely sad ...that they've played that game over and over again on the indoctrinated dummies here in the US.

Why is Fidel Castro ...evil....why was MAO ZEDONG evil? Did they come here and attack America?
It is very easy to imagine what China would be like today were it not for MAO .....take a look at South Africa and you'll see.
Had Mao not defend China that country would be a place occupied by settlers ...with the Chinese people relegated to second class status in their own country. Cuba's economic demise was not through Castro ...it's through America's deliberate effort to see that it's economy failed. And for the Cubans who flee and are here now ....I would like to ask them if they would prefer a country where Americans own all the wealth and their duty in Cuba would be to literally to clean the SH#T of the Americans!!
 
thinkforyoursel said:
Ah...the old "evil-tag"....again. Let me tell you how it works. Remember I say America scour the globe looking for treasures ..AKA .."strategic interests".
And when they do the game is to find that country's strongman to sell out his country for personal gains? Well...sometimes it doesn't work ...where that strategy fails ....that leader must be quickly ..."evil-tagged" ...by the American press.

Think about this for a minute ....America ...who held slaves themselves ...are in somebody's country ...killing them and their people ...and calling the people there ....evil.:( Extremely sad ...that they've played that game over and over again on the indoctrinated dummies here in the US.

Why is Fidel Castro ...evil....why was MAO ZEDONG evil? Did they come here and attack America?
It is very easy to imagine what China would be like today were it not for MAO .....take a look at South Africa and you'll see.
Had Mao not defend China that country would be a place occupied by settlers ...with the Chinese people relegated to second class status in their own country. Cuba's economic demise was not through Castro ...it's through America's deliberate effort to see that it's economy failed. And for the Cubans who flee and are here now ....I would like to ask them if they would prefer a country where Americans own all the wealth and their duty in Cuba would be to literally to clean the SH#T of the Americans!!
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Very good point. We label these socialist leaders of the other country evil because many times we wanted to plunder their land and take their resources leaving many of those people in starvation. If that in itself is not malignant.
 
What makes a regime evil is taking away human rights. When a dictatorial or highly authoritarian regime takes away freedoms and rights, that is when it becomes evil.

If we want to make sure that we don't become a part of an evil regime, then we must sit up and take notice whenever the government decides to chip away at our rights.

We can't stamp out evil throughout the world. The best we can do is demonstrate how to keep liberty alive by supporting a limited government dedicated to the ideals in our Declaration of Independence. The degree to which we succeed in that enterprise will determine how successful we are at defeating evil in the world.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Spotted the war? I'm not familiar with that phrase, but I think the war would have gone on longer had there not been anti war demonstrations at home. Surely to goodness it would have ended sooner or later anyway, but it wouldn't have ended as soon as it did.

The anti war protesters, most of whom were no doubt "hippies", are the "liberals" who are blamed for "making us lose the war in Vietnam" according to the hawk talking points. If you define "liberals" as "anti war protesters", and if you believe that the war was eventually winnable (both somewhat questionable) then they do have a point.
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So they did or didn't stop it?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
What makes a regime evil is taking away human rights. When a dictatorial or highly authoritarian regime takes away freedoms and rights, that is when it becomes evil.

If we want to make sure that we don't become a part of an evil regime, then we must sit up and take notice whenever the government decides to chip away at our rights.
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I agree, or rights of other people/nations. If we are taking land or resources from other nations we are the very oppressive regime we claim to label evil.
 
thinkforyoursel said:
Ah...the old "evil-tag"....again.
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That's what you implied. I certainly don't believe it.

Let me tell you how it works.
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lol

Remember I say America scour the globe looking for treasures ..AKA .."strategic interests".
And when they do the game is to find that country's strongman to sell out his country for personal gains? Well...sometimes it doesn't work ...where that strategy fails ....that leader must be quickly ..."evil-tagged" ...by the American press.
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Okay? That's called casus belli. It's propaganda.

Think about this for a minute ....America ...who held slaves themselves ...are in somebody's country ...killing them and their people ...and calling the people there ....evil.:( Extremely sad ...that they've played that game over and over again on the indoctrinated dummies here in the US.
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Why's that sad?

Why is Fidel Castro ...evil....why was MAO ZEDONG evil?
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If you think they are, you're probably an idiot.

Did they come here and attack America?
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If they did, would that make them evil?

It is very easy to imagine what China would be like today were it not for MAO .....take a look at South Africa and you'll see.
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Are you trying to teach me Chinese history now?

Had Mao not defend China that country would be a place occupied by settlers ...with the Chinese people relegated to second class status in their own country.
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Okay, so you're definitely not teaching anyone about history...

Cuba's economic demise was not through Castro ...it's through America's deliberate effort to see that it's economy failed. And for the Cubans who flee and are here now ....I would like to ask them if they would prefer a country where Americans own all the wealth and their duty in Cuba would be to literally to clean the SH#T of the Americans!!
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What? It sounds like you're just as indoctrinated as the people you're complaining about. Which is what I just said.
 
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