Do you keep a round chambered in your self-defense weapons?

[jaeger19]

The mere presence of guns creates more thoughts of violence, makes people angrier and more paranoid, and makes people behave more aggressively. People with guns in the home are more likely to be injured or killed by firearms than people who don't have them.

Weapons effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Effects of Weapons on Aggressive Thoughts, Angry Feelings, Hostile Appraisals, and Aggressive Behavior: A Meta-Analytic Review of the Weapons Effect Literature - PubMed

A landmark 1967 study showed that simply seeing a gun can increase aggression-called the "weapons effect." Since 1967, many other studies have attempted to replicate and explain the weapons effect. This meta-analysis integrates the findings of weapons effect studies conducted from 1967 to 2017...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Some things are counterintuitive- but statistically speaking, these things are not making you safer.

Did you read your citation.

"In general, these results suggest that the published literature tends to overestimate the weapons effect for some outcomes and moderators.".

There is no physiological mechanism by which a firearm can make someone more aggressive.

 

[jaeger19]

Well, you incinuate he accidentally shot himself. But that would of required an extremely awkward angle to achieve the removal of such a large portion of his calf.
I heard he could still wiggle his toes right after the accident.
And I do find it odd, how you've come to a conclusion regarding this incident, considering it one that you're so completely devoid of facts on.

Not really. .. let's say he pull it off the wall one handed and he let the muzzle swing down till it pointed to his leg while he inadvertently had his finger on the trigger.

Or let's say he was fricking around with the gun hanging down with it at his side one handed and trying to do the old swing it up th waist level like tge do in the movies..
But he had a finger on the trigger when he initiated the swing.

Devoid of facts? The mossberg pump was not supposedly drop safe because there was no firing pin block.
So theoretically the way it would fire if dropped is if it fell muzzle first and the blow overcame firing pin mechanism .
Or perhaps from hitting buttstock.

Neither position seems in line with the calf.

 

[Grogu]

Well. An unloaded firearm is just an expensive paperweight.
If your plan is self defense. Then there are times when one in the chamber makes sense.

Most of this issues you described isn't that the person purposely stored the firearm with a round in the chamber. It's that they didn't even know tge firearm was loaded.

Or frankly they were messing around and the " it just went off" is their excuse.

A lot of the " it went off when I was cleaning it" are probably people messing around.

Baloney. You don’t know any different. You’re just guessing. A gun doesn’t fire without a round in the chamber. But you can do whatever you want to. Just like I can say that storing a gun with a live round in the chamber is pure stupidity.

By the way, are we to gather that you’re not competent at loading or handling a firearm since you insist on calling it a paperweight if it isn’t stored with a round in the chamber? Or does it take you five minutes to load it and get it ready to fire? I mean, I know I can do it in a matter of a few seconds with all of my firearms.

 

[jaeger19]

Baloney. You don’t know any different. You’re just guessing. A gun doesn’t fire without a round in the chamber. But you can do whatever you want to. Just like I can say that storing a gun with a live round in the chamber is pure stupidity.

By the way, are we to gather that you’re not competent at loading or handling a firearm since you insist on calling it a paperweight if it isn’t stored with a round in the chamber? Or does it take you five minutes to load it and get it ready to fire? I mean, I know I can do it in a matter of a few seconds with all of my firearms.

Well..when I was a LEO carrying a firearm..
I had one in the chamber. I bet most Leo's do.

Maybe..just maybe if I hear the door being kicked in..I want one hand on my weapon ready to defend myself and the other hand hitting "911".
Or maybe grasping my tactical flashlight.

Rather than making sure my magazine is fully seated and pulling back the slide with the other hand.

Or maybe when a car jacker smashes my window and tries to yank me out of a car..I don't want to be asking him to wait while I put one in the pipe.

Look if you are not safe enough to have a round in the chamber...don't put a round in the chamber.

 

[Grogu]

Well..when I was a LEO carrying a firearm..
I had one in the chamber. I bet most Leo's do.

Maybe..just maybe if I hear the door being kicked in..I want one hand on my weapon ready to defend myself and the other hand hitting "911".
Or maybe grasping my tactical flashlight.

Rather than making sure my magazine is fully seated and pulling back the slide with the other hand.

Or maybe when a car jacker smashes my window and tries to yank me out of a car..I don't want to be asking him to wait while I put one in the pipe.

Look if you are not safe enough to have a round in the chamber...don't put a round in the chamber.

As I mentioned before to someone else, carrying a firearm (for a purpose, like law enforcement) is different than Joe Citizen storing a firearm.

Do what you want. I don’t live my life in fear, but I also don’t delude myself into thinking that I’m infallible. We’re all human. And it’s not that I’m not crystal clear with what I do with firearms, it’s other people that I worry about. Like the fools who are carrying with a live round already in the chamber and don’t have their weapon properly secured. People who don’t pay attention as to where a barrel is pointed. Showing off a firearm to someone else while loaded and ready to fire. Just plain carelessness.

All the stuff I learned not to do when I was a responsible teenager.

 

[VanceMack]

I have one weapon I keep with a round chambered and that's actually in my gun safe. In the (what I believe to be very unlikely but still possible) event that I should ever be forced into opening the safe, that would be a last resort.

All my other defensive firearms have loaded magazines but they dont have a round chambered. That includes my carry firearm. The only exception is when I carry a revolver which is extremely infrequent. I know LE personnel that carry in both conditions. ADs do not occur 'accidentally'. They occur due to carelessness. Carry guns go in holsters and they should stay in the holster until/when needed. there is nothing wrong with a trained professional carrying in ready fire condition. For myself, I'll take the risk with the half a second required to chamber a round. Thats just me.

 

[InWalkedBud]

...For myself, I'll take the risk with the half a second required to chamber a round. Thats just me.

I've done drills with proponents of the Israeli method, and will always have my first pair away before they've been able to cycle a round into the chamber. FWIW.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Not really. .. let's say he pull it off the wall one handed and he let the muzzle swing down till it pointed to his leg while he inadvertently had his finger on the trigger.

Or let's say he was fricking around with the gun hanging down with it at his side one handed and trying to do the old swing it up th waist level like tge do in the movies..
But he had a finger on the trigger when he initiated the swing.

Devoid of facts? The mossberg pump was not supposedly drop safe because there was no firing pin block.
So theoretically the way it would fire if dropped is if it fell muzzle first and the blow overcame firing pin mechanism .
Or perhaps from hitting buttstock.

Neither position seems in line with the calf.

The police and eyewitness reports refute your assumptions.

 

[CLAX1911]

Dumbasses with guns are what's going to bring regulations down on all your heads. Not psycho mass killers. Dumbasses and rage addicts.

So having a good attitude regarding firearm safety makes you a dumbass? Put relying on the mechanical safety devices that can and do fail isn't?

 

[jaeger19]

As I mentioned before to someone else, carrying a firearm (for a purpose, like law enforcement) is different than Joe Citizen storing a firearm.

Do what you want. I don’t live my life in fear, but I also don’t delude myself into thinking that I’m infallible. We’re all human. And it’s not that I’m not crystal clear with what I do with firearms, it’s other people that I worry about. Like the fools who are carrying with a live round already in the chamber and don’t have their weapon properly secured. People who don’t pay attention as to where a barrel is pointed. Showing off a firearm to someone else while loaded and ready to fire. Just plain carelessness.

All the stuff I learned not to do when I was a responsible teenager.

1. No it's really not. In fact if you think about it..when is a live round in a chamber more dangerous. When it's being carried by a citizen or leo..or being stored in a home?

When is a firearm more likly to be dropped?
When running or walking..hopping down from your truck...
When is it more likly to get snagged on clothes?
When are you more likely to get I to a tussle for the side arm.

It's why safe gun owning has rules like " never point the gun at something you are not willing to destroy.:
And " treat all guns as if they are loaded"

But there are valid reasons to carry and yes store a firearm with a loaded chamber.

Now.. do I store all my firearms loaded? Of course not.
For all sorts of reasons. From it can damage magazine springs to safety.

 

[Grogu]

1. No it's really not. In fact if you think about it..when is a live round in a chamber more dangerous. When it's being carried by a citizen or leo..or being stored in a home?

When is a firearm more likly to be dropped?
When running or walking..hopping down from your truck...
When is it more likly to get snagged on clothes?
When are you more likely to get I to a tussle for the side arm.

It's why safe gun owning has rules like " never point the gun at something you are not willing to destroy.:
And " treat all guns as if they are loaded"

But there are valid reasons to carry and yes store a firearm with a loaded chamber.

Now.. do I store all my firearms loaded? Of course not.
For all sorts of reasons. From it can damage magazine springs to safety.

Go convince someone else. I’m not budging. Like I said, I learned firearm safety in 1973, and I haven’t wavered since. In order for me to own firearms back then, I had to pass a long NRA course. It’s burned in my memory, no matter what today’s laws or circumstances are.

You don’t store or transport loaded firearms. Otherwise, you’re tempting fate, and fate doesn’t care what your intentions are. Nobody is infallible.

 

[jaeger19]

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The police and eyewitness reports refute your assumptions.

Great. What caused the gun.to fall from the wall?
Who witnessed it. Other than the person shot. ?
What struck first? The barrel. The trigger guard etc. ?

My guess is you never saw a police report..and the only witnesses are people that would possibly have a motive to let's say.." distort the truth".

 

[Crakhobarbie]

My guess is you never saw a police report

And neither did you.
But that hasn't stopped you from obstinately insisting you're correct.
Did you leave the force on your own accord?

 

[DCCougar]

Do you keep a round chambered in your self-defense weapons?​

No. It's easy enough to chamber a round after taking the gun off safety.

 

[InWalkedBud]

No. It's easy enough to chamber a round after taking the gun off safety.

Fortunately, both my bedside & CCW guns are revolvers. No safety to fuss with, and it'll go bang the instant I pull the trigger. There are occasions when my CCW is an auto-loader. Safety on, round chambered. I've run drills with proponents of the Israeli method, and always have my first pair away before they're able to cycle a round into the chamber. To each his own.

 

[craig]

Fortunately, both my bedside & CCW guns are revolvers. No safety to fuss with, and it'll go bang the instant I pull the trigger. There are occasions when my CCW is an auto-loader. Safety on, round chambered. I've run drills with proponents of the Israeli method, and always have my first pair away before they're able to cycle a round into the chamber. To each his own.

I would be worried about some kid seeing the gun and pulling the trigger. A semi-auto with no shell in the chamber is much safer. Most children don't know how to rachet the slide and are not strong enough to do it.

 

[InWalkedBud]

I would be worried about some kid seeing the gun and pulling the trigger. A semi-auto with no shell in the chamber is much safer. Most children don't know how to rachet the slide and are not strong enough to do it.

I can't speak to the gun owners you hang out with, but me & my ilk don't leave our guns lying around for "some kid" to see. Let alone grab hold of and play with.

 

[craig]

I can't speak to the gun owners you hang out with, but me & my ilk don't leave our guns lying around for "some kid" to see.

I thought you kept one on your bedside table.

 

[InWalkedBud]

I thought you kept one on your bedside table.

My wife & I both, actually. "Some kid" implies any random juvenile; our daughter never was.

 

[craig]

My wife & I both, actually. "Some kid" implies any random juvenile; our daughter never was.

We have guests with kids coming over all the time and kids are always curious.

 

[InWalkedBud]

We have guests with kids coming over all the time and kids are always curious.

When kids are in the house, we take appropriate precautions. And water is wet. Duh.

 

[craig]

When kids are in the house, we take appropriate precautions. And water is wet. Duh.

Glad to hear it.

 

[InWalkedBud]

Glad to hear it.

It's amusing - and not in a laughing with you kind of way - how you & your ilk reflexively ascribe epic levels of carelessness & stupidity to people you've never met; how they're all guilty til proven innocent.

 

[craig]

It's amusing - and not in a laughing with you kind of way - how you & your ilk reflexively ascribe epic levels of carelessness & stupidity to people you've never met; how they're all guilty til proven innocent.

You the OP ask "Do you keep a round chambered in your self-defense weapons?" And never discuss how to do that safely.

 

[jaeger19]

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And neither did you.
But that hasn't stopped you from obstinately insisting you're correct.
Did you leave the force on your own accord?

Nope. Never insisted I was correct. .
Just pointing out logic .

You are the one that insists it fell off the walland shot him in the calf.
I correctly point out...that's pretty unlikely...could happen...but.

But what could ALSO happen..is the guy was goofing around with it.