Do You Believe...[W:167]

[zyzygy]

Do you believe in good and evil? I believe we have freedom of choice. I think evil is as infinite as good and where we choose to go is where we will end up. If you head towards evil you will be surrounded by other people who have chosen that path. The opposite is true if you head towards good you will be surrounded by good people who fave also chosen that path.

A good point but our behavior is not influenced by imaginary demons.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

There is no proof of the existence of Satan ,demons and the magic Jesus. You are entitled to your beliefs but you cannot raise any portals.

Yes I can, and you are 100% wrong.

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes I can, and you are 100% wrong.

Would you care to demonstrate and show you speak the truth?

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

Would you care to demonstrate and show you speak the truth?

NO, I have nothing to "prove" to anyone....AND....these demons are nothing to be trifled with.

They are very real, do real damage, and bring very real pain.

You do not dabble lightly with them.

Now....please go ahead and make a post saying because I did not "prove" it to you I do not know what I am talking about. Go right ahead.

You do not play with matches in a powder magazine.

and I have nothing to prove to anyone here.

believe anything you want.

 

[RAMOSS]

NO, I have nothing to "prove" to anyone....AND....these demons are nothing to be trifled with.

They are very real, do real damage, and bring very real pain.

You do not dabble lightly with them.

Now....please go ahead and make a post saying because I did not "prove" it to you I do not know what I am talking about. Go right ahead.

You do not play with matches in a powder magazine.

and I have nothing to prove to anyone here.

believe anything you want.

Basically, you made claims. You can not back them up. You make excuses.. but I don't see any evidence your claim is accurate.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

Basically, you made claims. You can not back them up. You make excuses.. but I don't see any evidence your claim is accurate.

a demon is a far cry from a chart or a graph, or an internet link.

They are very evil, and bring pain everywhere they go.

and YOU want one or more brought down upon your family and yourself just to prove some silly internet question.

are you that foolish? Evidently so.

PLUS...doing so is a violation of the rules.

I am sure somewhere in the rules it says you cannot bring demons down on other members.

Damn, the foolishness of some people to take any risk just to say they are right.

I WILL NOT DO IT!

...and I am done with this conversation. You people are dabbling with powers beyond your understanding, and that arrogance alone may possibly bring you harm.

I want nothing to do with it. Your safety is at risk.

---------------GONE ----------------

 

[Beaudreaux]

a demon is a far cry from a chart or a graph, or an internet link.

They are very evil, and bring pain everywhere they go.

and YOU want one or more brought down upon your family and yourself just to prove some silly internet question.

are you that foolish? Evidently so.

PLUS...doing so is a violation of the rules.

I am sure somewhere in the rules it says you cannot bring demons down on other members.

Damn, the foolishness of some people to take any risk just to say they are right.

I WILL NOT DO IT!

...and I am done with this conversation. You people are dabbling with powers beyond your understanding, and that arrogance alone may possibly bring you harm.

I want nothing to do with it. Your safety is at risk.

---------------GONE ----------------

Damn, after reading this post, I have to go back to beginning of this thread and read the entire thing now... thanks.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

Damn, after reading this post, I have to go back to beginning of this thread and read the entire thing now... thanks.

You will shake your head a lot as you read it all too, Beaudreaux.

More than a few posters wanted demons to appear right before them as proof they exist.

Lacking that, they say Satan, demons, and Jesus do not exist at all.

It is akin to tieing lead weights on your feet, and jumping in the ocean to prove humans need air to live.

You will see the complete absurdity of their logic.

Demons are very real, they are mentioned many times in the bible and plenty of other texts all over the world, and in all religions and histories.

I have also seen them with my own eyes.

I do not need to stick my head in the oven to know fire is hot.

Evidently these morons do.

 

[HonestJoe]

You inform them of the portal and give them a chance to stop. Generally 100% of the time their arrogance and sense of invulnerability makes them laugh at you and keep doing even more evil.

That doesn’t sound like an effective method to stop them doing “evil” then.

I know these portals were 100% effective from second-hand knowledge I received, or news reports.

I don’t see how you could get definitive information about all of your targets in this way if you’re truly “walking away” and not seeking it, especially if you’re talking about people you’ve only contacted via the internet. Even based on that second-hand information, the very best you could ever establish would be correlation, not connection. You can’t know that anything you did had any consequence what-so-ever.

One particular troll had his mother commit suicide, and he subsequently lost the house and all he owned from her relatives.

So you’re claiming to have (albeit indirectly) caused the death of a potentially innocent woman because of the “evil” committed by her son? And you believe you’re reducing the evil in the world?

Such as it is with arrogant, evil people that mock things they do not understand.

I’m not mocking anything. I’m challenging your motives and morals as much as I’m questioning your claimed methods.

I already told you the answer. YES, they can avoid everything by just leaving people alone and being nice.

But you also said “If evil is invited in, it will come. Always does.”. I don’t understand the mechanism you’re proposing that after you’ve “opened a portal” and walked away, the consequences will be changed by your target altering their behaviour (though you also said they never change their behaviour anyway).

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

That doesn’t sound like an effective method to stop them doing “evil” then.

I don’t see how you could get definitive information about all of your targets in this way if you’re truly “walking away” and not seeking it, especially if you’re talking about people you’ve only contacted via the internet. Even based on that second-hand information, the very best you could ever establish would be correlation, not connection. You can’t know that anything you did had any consequence what-so-ever.

So you’re claiming to have (albeit indirectly) caused the death of a potentially innocent woman because of the “evil” committed by her son? And you believe you’re reducing the evil in the world?

I’m not mocking anything. I’m challenging your motives and morals as much as I’m questioning your claimed methods.

But you also said “If evil is invited in, it will come. Always does.”. I don’t understand the mechanism you’re proposing that after you’ve “opened a portal” and walked away, the consequences will be changed by your target altering their behaviour (though you also said they never change their behaviour anyway).

Please see post number 31. I am done with this thread.

It is a shame someone reasonable like you did not come along earlier, I would enjoy explaining some of this to someone with a reasonably open mind and who is respectful.

Unfortunately all I was dealing with were some pretty silly chaps that refused to read anything I wrote.

 

[Glowpun]

One of my friends mother's cursed her with the 'May you have a daughter just like you'.. and it CAME TO PASS!

That is not the result of a curse but genetics. Curse debunked! Daughter inherited her mother's genes.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

A good point but our behavior is not influenced by imaginary demons.

Oh but is. Our imagination directly influences our behavior. A child unable to get our of bed at night for fear of an imaginary demon under the bed. Even as an adult and trained soldier I have walked down a long lonely road at night and got the feeling something was following me. Every time I looked back nothing was there. But it instilled anxiety, fear, and ever caused me to accelerate my pace. Everyone's imagination strongly influences their behavior.

Just because we have yet to capture or explain demons does not mean they do not exist. There have been millions of things that we could not explain, prove, or understand in the past and currently. That doesn't mean they didn't or don't exist. Even if they are imaginary they have influenced the behavior of people by the belief alone.

One thing I believe is for every thing there is it's opposite in our universe. In order to create something from nothing you must also create it's opposite at the same time.

+1 and -1 = 0 or nothing. The formula works.

 

[zyzygy]

Oh but is. Our imagination directly influences our behavior. A child unable to get our of bed at night for fear of an imaginary demon under the bed. Even as an adult and trained soldier I have walked down a long lonely road at night and got the feeling something was following me. Every time I looked back nothing was there. But it instilled anxiety, fear, and ever caused me to accelerate my pace. Everyone's imagination strongly influences their behavior.

Just because we have yet to capture or explain demons does not mean they do not exist. There have been millions of things that we could not explain, prove, or understand in the past and currently. That doesn't mean they didn't or don't exist. Even if they are imaginary they have influenced the behavior of people by the belief alone.

One thing I believe is for every thing there is it's opposite in our universe. In order to create something from nothing you must also create it's opposite at the same time.

+1 and -1 = 0 or nothing. The formula works.

You're a right. I didn't make my point well. I meant to say that there are no real demons, they only exist in our heads.

 

[Perotista]

in ghosts, and curses, and wishes.

When I was a kid I used to believe in those things. But as I got older...

There have been a couple wishes and curses I have said. Unfortunately none of those every happened. Those people are still around as happy as clams. :-(

I believe in the unknown. That doesn't mean believing in ghosts, curses or wishes per se. Although I do not discount them altogether. Instead of the word ghost, spirits might be a better word. Spirits could be travelers from another dimension or they could be troubled souls or just someone departed who wants to watch over one of the living. They could be a whole lot of things to include imagination. All sorts of possibilities exist, each has to choose their own probability.

Curses and wishes, again I wouldn't dismiss them completely. But the probability of any coming true I would think rest with the amount of belief one has, probably with both or all persons concerned. Who knows the true power of the mind or what it is capable of of. Then there is the matter of whom is helping, a shaman, medicine man, some deity etc. But who really knows?

 

[zyzygy]

I believe in the unknown. That doesn't mean believing in ghosts, curses or wishes per se. Although I do not discount them altogether. Instead of the word ghost, spirits might be a better word. Spirits could be travelers from another dimension or they could be troubled souls or just someone departed who wants to watch over one of the living. They could be a whole lot of things to include imagination. All sorts of possibilities exist, each has to choose their own probability.

Curses and wishes, again I wouldn't dismiss them completely. But the probability of any coming true I would think rest with the amount of belief one has, probably with both or all persons concerned. Who knows the true power of the mind or what it is capable of of. Then there is the matter of whom is helping, a shaman, medicine man, some deity etc. But who really knows?

If it's unknown then how do you know it is there?

 

[Perotista]

If it's unknown then how do you know it is there?

Unknown, unexplained, same, same. Man can't know everything, strange events happen and thing that are explainable happen. There are things that can't be proved that they exist or do not exist. There are mental blocks formed by some that are open to others.

 

[_Sal]

in ghosts, and curses, and wishes.

When I was a kid I used to believe in those things. But as I got older...

There have been a couple wishes and curses I have said. Unfortunately none of those every happened. Those people are still around as happy as clams. :-(

to a degree yes since everything is energy, people who don't believe evil can be felt should visit Auschwitz. Energy can most definitely be felt (experienced).

There are places of complete calm and warmth and acceptance and there is the inverse.

People also give off energy that can be felt.

 

[Patrickt]

No, I don't believe in fantasies. I do hold one superstition dear that I got from my grandfather. He said that if you see money on the ground you have to pick it up even if it's a penny or money will know you don't care and avoid you. He also said you should promptly give the money to someone else who needs it.

The one time I knowingly ignored that superstition was in the bathroom of a bar in Hawk Springs, Wyoming, about 25 years ago. I was sitting on a toilet and noticed a dime on the floor. I nudged it with my boot and it didn't move. I thought, "I am not prying that dime off the floor and putting it in my pocket."

I left the bar and rode my Harley into Rapid City, South Dakota, where I had a reservation for Bike Week at Sturgis. I gave the desk my bank card and the woman called out, loudly, "Your card's been cancelled and they want me to keep it." I called my bank and it had been bought by a bigger bank who told me they sent me new cards two weeks before. "I've been travelling for three weeks." "No problem. Your cards will be waiting when you get home."

See? See?

And, before you mock me, remember the mantra of people who believe silly things:
"Such as it is with arrogant, evil people that mock things they do not understand."

"I can fly if I flap my arms really fast." "No you can't." "You just don't understand."

 

[Cephus]

If it's unknown then how do you know it is there?

And if you don't know it's there, why in the world would you believe in it? That's idiotic.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

You're a right. I didn't make my point well. I meant to say that there are no real demons, they only exist in our heads.

If they exist in our heads then they exist. They have influence over us. The proof is there are good and bad people in this world. I do not believe in the Hollywood demon. I do believe evil exist. I have seen it's influence over people. Even if it is no more than an idea or belief. Just because it is not a physical thing such as a rock that we can hold in our hand, feel and see does not mean it doesn't exist. Ultraviolet light existed for billions of years before we discovered it.

 

[polgara]

I believe in the unknown. That doesn't mean believing in ghosts, curses or wishes per se. Although I do not discount them altogether. Instead of the word ghost, spirits might be a better word. Spirits could be travelers from another dimension or they could be troubled souls or just someone departed who wants to watch over one of the living. They could be a whole lot of things to include imagination. All sorts of possibilities exist, each has to choose their own probability.

Curses and wishes, again I wouldn't dismiss them completely. But the probability of any coming true I would think rest with the amount of belief one has, probably with both or all persons concerned. Who knows the true power of the mind or what it is capable of of. Then there is the matter of whom is helping, a shaman, medicine man, some deity etc. But who really knows?

Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Very well said! :thumbs: I think some of us have had the experience of suddenly getting a very strong feeling when traveling to a place we hadn't been before that we should take the next exit coming up rather than the one we were planning on taking, and doing so - later learning that we avoided a bad accident where people were killed and/or severely injured.

Where did that thought come from? I tend to think "guardian angel," but since I can't prove that I just think or say a quick prayer of thanks that my family was spared that!

 

[RogueWarrior]

in ghosts, and curses, and wishes.

When I was a kid I used to believe in those things. But as I got older...

There have been a couple wishes and curses I have said. Unfortunately none of those every happened. Those people are still around as happy as clams. :-(

Nope.
I have no reason believe any of these things.
Maybe they exist but the evidence for these things not sufficient to warrant belief.
Until someone demonstrates they exist, I won't waste any energy thinking about them. Unless some assholes try to force to believe in them, or pay homage to them, then I might get cranky.

Where have I hear that before? Hmmm:mrgreen: Oh yeah right...

 

[zyzygy]

Unknown, unexplained, same, same. Man can't know everything, strange events happen and thing that are explainable happen. There are things that can't be proved that they exist or do not exist. There are mental blocks formed by some that are open to others.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Ghostly magnetism explained

 

[zyzygy]

Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Very well said! :thumbs: I think some of us have had the experience of suddenly getting a very strong feeling when traveling to a place we hadn't been before that we should take the next exit coming up rather than the one we were planning on taking, and doing so - later learning that we avoided a bad accident where people were killed and/or severely injured.

Where did that thought come from? I tend to think "guardian angel," but since I can't prove that I just think or say a quick prayer of thanks that my family was spared that!

What about the people who didn't get that feeling and drove to an accident? And also the people who got that feeling and didn't get involved in an accident?

 

[Patrickt]

If they exist in our heads then they exist. They have influence over us. The proof is there are good and bad people in this world. I do not believe in the Hollywood demon. I do believe evil exist. I have seen it's influence over people. Even if it is no more than an idea or belief. Just because it is not a physical thing such as a rock that we can hold in our hand, feel and see does not mean it doesn't exist. Ultraviolet light existed for billions of years before we discovered it.

I have a friend who is suffering from fumes caused by the Mexican Mafia doing commercial cooking of pork where he lives. The fumes from the pork being cooked will cause him to burst into flames and nothing will be left but a pile of ashes with a few bones and teeth. He's moved to different buildings, different towns, and different states and always the Mexican Mafia is there commercially cooking pork. He can't get away from them because it's all in his head. But, some believe that if the fumes exist in his head then,"...they exist. They have influence over us." I say it's all in his head and he's nuts. The doctors with more education say he's schizophrenic. And then there are fools who say he's blessed and since the fumes exist in his head then they exist.

Of course, you don't have belief in a rock you stub your toe on or a friend who helps you when you're in need. These sorts of things involve knowledge and not belief. Belief is for things you don't know and probably can't know. It's also called faith.