and here we are, 150 years later . . . and?
If whites and everyone else benefited then that means so have blacks - whether they descended from slaves or not doesn't even matter (because a lot have not - slavery is not the only means by which blacks have come to America).
You want to go further out into the ozone you can says things like 'the entire world benefited from slavery' because it was a worldwide economic concept. :shrug:
The problem is that it did not end 150 years ago. Again, there are many blacks who are alive today that suffered from systemic government sponsored racism designed to psychologically cripple them.
It's not a matter against standing against some random person. It's just that the government itself sponsored the racism. It was very cruel. I could tell you some far out stories that my grandfather told me. I'm from an area where the KKK is still big to this very day.
Racism existed before slavery was even practiced in the US - so the two things are separate, I believe.
Te-Nehisi Coates' recent article in The Atlantic has raised a few eyebrows, and showed me just how much I did not know concerning how America and America's government has oppressed the African American community in the past...and even to the modern day.
Coates points out that reparations isn't a matter of "we can't afford it" or "how do we determine who gets paid how much", but a matter of right and wrong. America - and America's government - committed great wrongs against the African American community over many generations, including within my own lifetime.
I was raised to believe that if I did somebody wrong, I should apologize sincerely...and I should do my level best to make it up to those I wronged. I was taught that a refusal to make up for what I have done to others is not just wrong, but dishonorable.
It is for this reason that I agree that we as a nation should pay reparations to the African American community - because it is a matter of right and wrong, a matter of our national honor.
I'm talking about systemic government racism that existed in the US that was designed to psychologically cripple blacks. I saw it in my grandfather. He was afraid of white people. That is the truth. He did not like Martin Luther King at all, thought he was very dangerous and was a trouble maker. You should have heard some of the stories he told me. Stories about blacks being tortured and killed right on the main street of town in broad daylight.
I stand against the KKK. I'm with you here, but I don't need to give you money because idiots exist. Aren't the black panthers still around? What about Black gangs that intimidate and cause psychological harm and fear? Do you want to pay for the BS they are subjecting people to? silly huh?
Sorry - we were just talking about this in another thread so I got my already-written points confused.
We've done quite a few things over the decades to try to redirect the path and address various damages and errors. The fact that none of these efforts are appreciated by some people shows that even throwing money at them won't matter. Some people will always think it a smart, wise idea - and even if we did do it and pay every black man, woman, and child 5,000 in cold hard cash it wouldn't alter a single thing.
Money will not fix any of the issues in our country today.
My grandfather told me that his grandfather had his land taken by a white man after he labored years cultivating it and turning it into something beautiful. He said his grandfather went to the police and they told him there was nothing they could do because it was a white man who took the land. He said it totally destroyed his grandfather. That's what he told me. My grandfather was very afraid of white people.
Well, it's not going to happen because the fact of the matter is that people don't care. I'm just saying there is a legitimate case to be made for it.
My grandfather told me that his grandfather had his land taken by a white man after he labored years cultivating it and turning it into something beautiful. He said his grandfather went to the police and they told him there was nothing they could do because it was a white man who took the land. He said it totally destroyed his grandfather. That's what he told me. My grandfather was very afraid of white people.
If the nation as a whole did something wrong, is it not our duty as a nation to right that wrong?
Te-Nehisi Coates' recent article in The Atlantic has raised a few eyebrows, and showed me just how much I did not know concerning how America and America's government has oppressed the African American community in the past...and even to the modern day.
Coates points out that reparations isn't a matter of "we can't afford it" or "how do we determine who gets paid how much", but a matter of right and wrong. America - and America's government - committed great wrongs against the African American community over many generations, including within my own lifetime.
I was raised to believe that if I did somebody wrong, I should apologize sincerely...and I should do my level best to make it up to those I wronged. I was taught that a refusal to make up for what I have done to others is not just wrong, but dishonorable.
It is for this reason that I agree that we as a nation should pay reparations to the African American community - because it is a matter of right and wrong, a matter of our national honor.
No more than we should pay those of Irish, Italian, Mexican and Chinese descent. This is where PC screws everything up, there are very few true "African Americans", if any since we only recently began allowing dual citizenship. Munging the language causes this sort of nonsense.
Oh really? I never got a dime.
Well, it's not going to happen because the fact of the matter is that people don't care. I'm just saying there is a legitimate case to be made for it.
There's no case to be made. The idea is founded on ignorance, greed, and self-victimization.
That response is to be expected. In the big scheme of things nothing will be wasted. It has been said you will not come out until you have paid the utmost farthing, and he that puts someone into captivity will be put into captivity. Therefore this poem was composed long ago
What's due to him a man receives
This law no man can break
My heart is neither sad nor grieves
For what is mine no man can take
I will leave it at that. Nothing else needs to be said.
That poem seems to be speaking against your view.
Money won't fix things - no matter what people think.
That's a typical superficial analysis that have gotten many, many people in big trouble. Genghis Khan is an example.
No, what it means is that it's good for the person who is trying to make amends.
But that is another waste of breath on my part. Sometimes, the belt has to do the talking. Here's some sanskrit
cintam aparimeyam
cintam means fears and anxieties. aparimeyam means unmeasurable. So cintan aparimeyam means that the result is being placed, by force, into a situation in which there is the experience of unlimited fear and anxiety, due to being bound by a very strong network of hundreds of thousands of desires. The result is hate which causes more suffering. It is like quicksand.
That's a typical superficial analysis that have gotten many, many people in big trouble. Genghis Khan is an example.
No, what it means is that it's good for the person who is trying to make amends.
But that is another waste of breath on my part. Sometimes, the belt has to do the talking. Here's some sanskrit
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