Do you believe January 6 was an “insurrection”?

[LouC]

No, they didn't.

They were not looking to kill anyone. That they brought no firearms is proof enough.


Good.

Next time have good faith.


Back at you.

They didn't bring firearms because they weren't allowed into the Trump rally while carrying.

Some built a scaffold to hang the Vice President, some attacked D.C. police officers with near deadly force, some were definitely looking to kill folk.

 

[Mr. Sam]

This BS is absolutely false and has already been addressed around here.

A "red mirage" was predicted what would very likely happen within Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin that election night in 2020.

"But the opposite could be true in northern battlegrounds such as Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where officials are not permitted to begin processing mail ballots until the day of the election (or, in Michigan’s case, the day before). In those states, a “red mirage” of Trump-heavy Election Day votes could linger until larger metro counties report huge tranches of early ballots later in the evening.” Link

Trump never had the lead in Arizona due to this state having counted the mail-in ballots before election day ballots. FOX News called Arizona for Biden at about 11:20 EST that night.


And it's absolutely false that Biden "got 20 million more votes than any other Dem candidate" during the last four presidential elections.

2012 Obama - 65,915,795 votes
2016 Clinton - 65,853,516 votes
2020 Biden -- 81,283,501 votes
2024 Harris - 75,009,338 votes

Lol, Harris didn't get 75 million votes. They did their best but it was too big to rig without the help of a pandemic.

 

[Brack]

Lol, Harris didn't get 75 million votes. They did their best but it was too big to rig without the help of a pandemic.

Yes, Harris did get about 75 million votes nationwide. Link

It's “too big to rig” any national election. Back in 2016, Steve Doocy of FOX News stated that there is absolutely no way to rig a national election. He went on to correctly point out that elections are handled at the local level.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Yes, Harris did get about 75 million votes nationwide. Link

It's “too big to rig” any national election. Back in 2016, Steve Doocy of FOX News stated that there is absolutely no way to rig a national election. He went on to correctly point out that elections are handled at the local level.

When some states get to keep finding ballots to count 4 weeks after Election Day we can be pretty sure that it's all bullshit. Just like the 2020 election.

 

[Corbell]

Tell me how it was legal to present false electors as legitimate.

I believe it has to do with believing that the electors from the ballots are tainted by the supicious ballots of the vote, so the state have to come up with another way of presenting electors.

What is the best piece of evidence that the results of the election were fraudulent?

I didn't claim it was. I asked what the procedure would be if it was. It is strange that you missed that. Oh, wait, you pretended to miss it, to dodge my question.

I won't put up with much of that. and your treatment will decline quickly if you keep it up.


Try again.

 

[Jezcoe]

I believe it has to do with believing that the electors from the ballots are tainted by the supicious ballots of the vote, so the state have to come up with another way of presenting electors.

The State didn't come up with another way for presenting electors. The States certified electors. The fake electors were just that... fake... with no authority but they presented themselves as legitimate.

That's fraud.

I didn't claim it was. I asked what the procedure would be if it was. It is strange that you missed that. Oh, wait, you pretended to miss it, to dodge my question.

I won't put up with much of that. and your treatment will decline quickly if you keep it up.


Try again.

Since there is zero evidence that the election was itself fraudulent, the process of presenting fake alternate electors is moot.

The entire thing is fraud based on a lie.

 

[soap box]

You didn't answer any of the questions but instead posed you own that have nothing to do with the questions I asked. No one denies that Trump wanted Pence to not certify certain electors and that senators and representatives were ready to object to said electors. So again, how does allegedly inciting a riot achieve any of Trump's stated goals?

Some US Representatives and Senators in the GOP were willing to vote for the objections to state delegations. That didn't matter at all because no state legislators or legislatures were willing to rescind their delegations. The riot was on a dual track with the self-coup. The legal maneuver suggested by John Eastman was already understood as impossible, and the delay the riot provided was the Green Bay Sweep that Giuliani conceived in order to intimidate state legislators into changing their vote from Biden to Trump.

Most of the violent rioters didn't leave until forced out by the National Guard.

 

[Jay59]

They didn't bring firearms because they weren't allowed into the Trump rally while carrying.

They did not bring firearms because there was no insurrection intended.

Some built a scaffold to hang the Vice President,

Hanging in effigy is a time-honored tradition.

No one has ever seriously suggested that there was any deadly intent.

some attacked D.C. police officers with near deadly force,

some were definitely looking to kill folk.

 

[Nickyjo]

When some states get to keep finding ballots to count 4 weeks after Election Day we can be pretty sure that it's all bullshit. Just like the 2020 election.

Lessee, our election system is all bullshit. But Trump’s claims of election fraud dating back to the Emmys don’t have a whiff of bullshit about them? Got it.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Ah so you will needle this point point to death because we all know how Trump works. He doesn't email. He uses people like Roger stone as a go between.

Go back to posting Twitter threads.

Okay. Post a link to the communications between Trump and Stone about January 6th.

Twitter was the Democrat censorship apparatus. It's called X now.

 

[Emlee]

They didn't bring firearms because they weren't allowed into the Trump rally while carrying.

Some built a scaffold to hang the Vice President, some attacked D.C. police officers with near deadly force, some were definitely looking to kill folk.

They did bring firearms, not to mention knives etc.

There were those who had weapons charges and convictions, weapons found in Coffman’s car as well the huge cache of firearms the Oath Keepers stashed at the hotel.

The only reason more weapons aren’t known is because the majority of people were not arrested on site that day, they were arrested afterwards, arrests ongoing even up to now, so there’s no way to know for sure how many were carrying that day.

 

[Nickyjo]

They did bring firearms, not to mention knives etc.

There were people that were charged with firearms, found weapons in Coffman’s car as well the huge cache of firearms the Oath Keepers stashed at the hotel.

The only reason more weapons aren’t known is because the majority of people were not arrested on site that day, they were arrested afterwards, arrests ongoing even up to now, so there’s no way to know for sure how many were carrying that day.

And as I recall, Trump had the metal detectors removed on Jan 6, quoted as saying that those carrying were “not here to hurt me.”

 

[soap box]

They did not bring firearms because there was no insurrection intended.


Hanging in effigy is a time-honored tradition.

No one has ever seriously suggested that there was any deadly intent.

Many of them were carrying weapons and some were carrying firearms.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/15/fact-check-were-firearms-other-weapons-capitol-jan-6/7621149001/see

 

[Plasmaball]

Okay. Post a link to the communications between Trump and Stone about January 6th.

Twitter was the Democrat censorship apparatus. It's called X now.

Yeah already predicted your response here.
Your argument boils down to " I've never seen England so therefore it doesn't exist"

Twitter is a private platform just like here. If you violated the terms then that's your fault.

But you know this. We've hit your limit here.

 

[Plasmaball]

They did not bring firearms because there was no insurrection intended.


Hanging in effigy is a time-honored tradition.

No one has ever seriously suggested that there was any deadly intent.

Pushing those goal posts back. Again more bad faith arguments. Just admit you don't support the constitution and america.

 

[JMR]

They did not bring firearms because there was no insurrection intended.


Hanging in effigy is a time-honored tradition.

No one has ever seriously suggested that there was any deadly intent.

Several did in fact bring firearms, as was reported on the news, while it was happening. Many were also armed with knives, lances, pepper spray and other weapons.

Are you suggesting the gallows was an organized event, with no one considering it a real possibility? Why?

Many people believe there was deadly intent, including dead police officers, and others "merely" injured with gouged eyes and concussions.

 

[Nickyjo]

Many of them were carrying weapons and some were carrying firearms.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/15/fact-check-were-firearms-other-weapons-capitol-jan-6/7621149001/see

They did not bring firearms because there was no insurrection intended.

Look up the definition of insurrection. It fits Jan 6.

Hanging in effigy is a time-honored tradition.

So security goofed when they hustled Mike Pence away.

No one has ever seriously suggested that there was any deadly intent.

 

[Corbell]

The process would be to accept the fact that the individual states had certified the outcome of the election, and follow Al Gore's example.

so, just accept the cheat and let the cheaters win? I'm pretty sure you are incorrect.

The process would not be to assemble a mob to "fight like hell"

The rally was normal political process. Everytime that a leftie pretends it is not, they are engaging in deception.

 

[Corbell]

Each state constitution determines how the legislators and governor certify the Electoral College delegation on December 14 after a presidential election. None of the fake electors were governor of their state and no one who involved themselves in the fake electors scheme was authorized to submit a delegation and that makes it illegal.

If you say so. Me? I don't know, and don't really care to investigate it deeply.

 

[Corbell]

Unlike Trump in 2020, Gore conceded the 2000 Presidential election before the Electors of the Electoral College voted to certify Bush the winner.

Gore tried to steal the election. THe pretense from the lefties is that this is why they are sooooooooo offended by Trump.


But, we can see by your making excuses for him, that that is just shit talk.


It's "DIFFERENT" when it is your side doing it. Because "REasons". LOL.


no one respects your double standards anymore.

 

[JMR]

so, just accept the cheat and let the cheaters win? I'm pretty sure you are incorrect.



The rally was normal political process. Everytime that a leftie pretends it is not, they are engaging in deception.

There is ZERO evidence of a cheat, and our law gives states the right to certify their election results. There is much more evidence that 2000 Florida was rigged than any state in 2020 was. Yet Gore respected our law and tradition and Trump with no evidence sought to destroy our democracy. That is not admirable. Only ass***es find it acceptable.

The "rally" was an organized attempt to interfere with an official procedure, that ended in bloodshed and death, and a demonstrated disregard for our country by Trump supporters.

 

[JMR]

Gore tried to steal the election. THe pretense from the lefties is that this is why they are sooooooooo offended by Trump.


But, we can see by your making excuses for him, that that is just shit talk.


It's "DIFFERENT" when it is your side doing it. Because "REasons". LOL.


no one respects your double standards anymore.

Gore asked for recounts. He did not organize a mob, nor refuse to count electoral votes in his role as VP.

 

[Corbell]

The State didn't come up with another way for presenting electors. The States certified electors. The fake electors were just that... fake... with no authority but they presented themselves as legitimate.

That's fraud.

That seems an odd declaration. I asked what would be the process, and you told me about what DIDN'T happen....

THat is not helpful.

Since there is zero evidence that the election was itself fraudulent, the process of presenting fake alternate electors is moot.

YOu are making a lot of declarations about how Trump wasn't following proper procedure. If that is your claim than comparing what happened to what was supposed to happen is obviously NOT MOOT, and you claiming it is, is you being dishonest. YOur credibility is shredding.

The entire thing is fraud based on a lie.

I'm not prepared to say something like that. But if you keep spamming your talking points without responding to my question...

 

[Corbell]

There is ZERO evidence of a cheat,....

I'm pretty sure that is not true. A lot of oddities with that election. Note teh way that turnout was sooooo irregular, with how it had just fallen off a cliff this last election.

Hey, you ready to go back to pre-covid rules?

The "rally" was an organized attempt to interfere with an official procedure, that ended in bloodshed and death, and a demonstrated disregard for our country by Trump supporters.

NOPE. tHE rally was normal political behavior. That a small group rioted for a few hours, is a seperate event. That you are tryign to conflate three seperate events, is a sign of bad faith on your part.


And really not a sigh of it, proof of it. YOu are debating in bad faith.

 

[Corbell]

Gore asked for recounts. He did not organize a mob, nor refuse to count electoral votes in his role as VP.

His tactics were different. His intent was the same, ie the same intent that you are pretendign to be outraged about, when Trump did it.

Thus we see that your outrage is false. YOur pretense of shock is just you having a hissy fit to justify smearing your political enemies.