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Then you are familiar with PG county. I volunteer in schools in Suitland and I can tell you that despite being in the middle of the richest, predominately black county, in the United states...poor kids still don't realize they can succeed and they can get out. How is that possible?
That wasn't directed at you, so keep your's to yourself.
I and others have already said that welfare is a part of the problem. However, poverty existed before welfare and would after welfare - you give it too much credit.
Poverty perpetuates itself just like wealth perpetuates itself. Both create cultures that breed/perpetuate certain mindsets.
I think you have to look at overall big picture problem solving for communites like what you described. You have to promote and teach personal and family accountability. You have to create employment opportunites...GOOD employment opportunities, not just minimum wage service jobs. People need to be able to see more at the end of the rainbow then a Mickey D's shirt with their name on it. Then promote positive education programs. Money is a part of the solution, but you can build new schools with all the best equipment...it will be trash in a few years. Its a big picture problem and it needs big picture solutions.
Probably for similar reasons that a woman in an abusive relationship surrounded by other women in healthy relationships still doesn't realize that she too can have a healthy relationship.
I think it's a combination of a lot of factors and welfare helps. I think it's education, I thinks it's the type of jobs available to poor people, I think it's the unhealthy environment with fast food and liquor stores and currency exchanges, I think it's the look of the neighborhood (litter all over the place, etc.) - I think there are a lot of "main" problems.They existed under circumstances that no longer exist in America. The current reason is mainly welfare.
I don't think it should be attractive, which is why I think welfare problems should be replaced or amended.I agree, but why do they? Why, why, why.....why make it attractive to be poor?
Nearly everyone in America could earn enough to maintain a lower-middle class status if they were taught how too.
That is not a factor of society but is inherenet in our species. Survival of the fittest comes to mind.
I agree, but social welfare programs are the largest and most powerfull of the reasons.
Society has changed...the reasons for poverty now are different than in the past. Lack of education and the understanding of self agency is a main cause of poverty in under developed nations, not to mention outright barriers to success against ethnic groups.
I am very familiar with PG county...I attend UMCP, and I am familiar with much more of the county than just college park. If PG is really the richest majority-black county in the US, then I'm scared to know what the hood actually looks like.
I don't disagree with any of this. Do I think welfare plays SOME role in the perpetuation of poverty? Of course I do. My point was that if you eliminated welfare programs today, ten or twenty years from now we would still have poverty, and who knows if it would be better or worse. We live in a capitalistic society. Haves and have-nots are a known consequence of such a system.
Because they have to be taught that they have worth..that they can do better. Handouts doesn't do that.
I think it's a combination of a lot of factors and welfare helps. I think it's education, I thinks it's the type of jobs available to poor people, I think it's the unhealthy environment with fast food and liquor stores and currency exchanges, I think it's the look of the neighborhood (litter all over the place, etc.) - I think there are a lot of "main" problems.
I don't think it should be attractive, which is why I think welfare problems should be replaced or amended.
oh lawdy lawdy, a conservative citing sociological arguments and explanations! The sky is falling...:2razz:
One of the joys of a capitalist society is that people can work their way out of poverty.
I spend 6 days a week working with both types of people...the truly needy and the type I classify as crippled dependent pets. Last night was a prime example...young woman with a TBI at age 4 and now in pretty desperate condition as an adult. She was at the end of a rope (yes...literally-not figuratively), and the family didnt know what to do anymore. She qualifies for services and desperately needs them. Unfortunately the beds and support we need are filled by the 19 year old malingerers that refuse to get the help they are offered because its easier to spend 15-20 days flopping on peoples couches with the other 10-15 days spent in funded programs because they have learned how to say "well...Im going to kill myself" and know that they are going to get 3 hot meals and a comfy bed...some medication, and can spend the bulk of their day laying around watching TV and all they have to do is a loittle dance when they interview with the pyschiatrist and social worker.
Well, I'll be damned. You said something I like.
Talk about naive. Got any evidence to back that claim up? Or is it more opinion?
This is a factor of society and has nothing at all to do with survival of the fittest. We left that behind when we started calling ourselves "civilized."
Again any evidence to back this up?
Again any evidence?
Since when did sociology become the realm of liberals only? I mean I was an anthropology major, and sociology is a large part of that.
Or is it because it has the word "social" in it. :roll:
Since when did sociology become the realm of liberals only? I mean I was an anthropology major, and sociology is a large part of that.
Or is it because it has the word "social" in it. :roll:
I totally agree Vance. On a much larger scale, similar arguments are made for developing Third World countries. But it's much easier said than done.
Sociology was my minor....and most people here think I'm a right-winger.
How is it naive? If you worked a minimum wage job, full time and didn't waste money on booze and drugs....you could do just that.
Society doesn't make people dumb. Genetics does that. The majority of the poor are not poor becuase they areof below average intelligence.
There's plenty out there....mainly all the studies surroundeing the welfare reform act of 94.
uhhh, yeah...History, cultural geography....you're going to have to do a lot of reading to catch up on those though. Wiki ain't gonna do it, bro.
Let's just say, I've had a history of trying to use sociology and sociological to debate conservatives on issues of race and class. Often my arguments are dismissed out of hand: "Sociology assumes all whites are racist anyway, blah blah blah."
Until you start debating real right-wing idiots like Amazed.
Until you start debating real right-wing idiots like Amazed.
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