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Do you actually care about the Epstein files?

Do you actually care about the Epstein files?

  • I've never cared about the Epstein files

    Votes: 26 31.3%

  • I cared about the Epstein files but Trump told me to move on

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't care about the Epstein files but enjoy trolling MAGA about them

    Votes: 6 7.2%

  • Yes, the Epstein files will show that Dems are sex abusers

    Votes: 3 3.6%

  • Yes, the Epstein files will show that Trump is a sex abuser

    Votes: 7 8.4%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 41 49.4%
  • Total voters
    83
Honestly I've never cared about the Epstein files, and never really cared about Epstein either.

I have no idea what the guy was involved in. If it was "minors" in the 17 year old variety, that is the age of consent in many states and in some its younger than that.

If it was younger children, then that is just sick shit. I'll never know though.

I don't know what to believe about Epstein, and quite frankly there are larger concerns in my world.
 
NatMorton said:
You're moving the goalposts. You said "Progressives," and they were cheering for "whip it out" Bill every time he spoke at a DNC convention.
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CPDS?

Clintons Penis Derangement Syndrome? 😳😧
 
NatMorton said:
I'm not sure why you would presume that. Think about how sloppily sensitive files were treated by both Biden and Trump. I doubt either one of them lugged those boxes of confidential files from their respective offices, into their cars, and then into their garages. They had helpers.
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As far as I am aware, and maybe a criminal defense lawyer like @Mr Person can back me up, but criminal case files from the DOJ are not the same sort of thing as diplomatic papers that have multiple copies (albeit under top secret seal) for multiple different sets of eyes, like the President, ambassadors, state department officials etc.

Criminal evidence is usually kept in a secure location. It is not something a staff member of the White House could just walk in and rifle around with, or even just any DoJ employee. Especially evidence involving children engaging in sex acts recorded in photographs and videos and the like, where the mere act of knowingly possessing it is a criminal offense? I welcome people correcting me if I am wrong, but those pieces of evidence are not usually reproduced for anyone but the attorneys on the case and absolutely no one else.
 
If he offed himself or someone wacked him, ****er got what he deserved.
 
Felis Leo said:
As far as I am aware, and maybe a criminal defense lawyer like @Mr Person can back me up, but criminal case files from the DOJ are not the same sort of thing as diplomatic papers that have multiple copies (albeit under top secret seal) for multiple different sets of eyes, like the President, ambassadors, state department officials etc.

Criminal evidence is usually kept in a secure location. It is not something a staff member of the White House could just walk in and rifle around with, or even just any DoJ employee. Especially evidence involving children engaging in sex acts recorded in photographs and videos and the like, where the mere act of knowingly possessing it is a criminal offense? I welcome people correcting me if I am wrong, but those pieces of evidence are not usually reproduced for anyone but the attorneys on the case and absolutely no one else.
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I don't have faith that the Trump administration is a well run machine at any level. If you or Mr P would like to try and convince me otherwise, best of luck.
 
Felis Leo said:
As far as I am aware, and maybe a criminal defense lawyer like @Mr Person can back me up, but criminal case files from the DOJ are not the same sort of thing as diplomatic papers that have multiple copies (albeit under top secret seal) for multiple different sets of eyes, like the President, ambassadors, state department officials etc.

Criminal evidence is usually kept in a secure location. It is not something a staff member of the White House could just walk in and rifle around with, or even just any DoJ employee. Especially evidence involving children engaging in sex acts recorded in photographs and videos and the like, where the mere act of knowingly possessing it is a criminal offense? I welcome people correcting me if I am wrong, but those pieces of evidence are not usually reproduced for anyone but the attorneys on the case and absolutely no one else.
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First, a caveat: I've stayed away from federal cases for a while because I'm a solo practitioner, and CJA cases (appointments to fed criminal) are paid at the end of the case. Which is years. The best I've ever seen my bosses get, when I worked at a firm, was quarterly billing. Which is rough, especially when I've cut down my practice to deal with a kiddo.

In an honest government, random-ass officials do not have access to criminal files. I wouldn't be surprised if some prosecutors bowed to the president's demand. But in this administration, anything goes. He's systematically clearing out all opposition.

But when you say evidence in the form of child porn videos and photos not being shared, I'd be shocked if it was shared. And reproducing it would be insanely illegal, unless it's the lead prosecutor on the case giving an associate who is working on it a copy of the file. Certainly not ambassadors, etc. That'd be some combination of creating and disseminating it.
 
When it first started to happen and Epstein was arrested, I was interested in anyone involved to be investigated to determine if they took part in the sexual abuse or not. And I wanted them to be punished. Who was R and who was D didn't matter: it went beyond that.

I still feel that way. But, now there's more to the story and that part is being presented by Trump and MAGA. Those folks were all about stringing up Clinton and whatever other Democrat over this, and utter silence as the possiblity that Trump may be just as guilty (if Clinton is indeed guilty). Trump and MAGA were in a rush to release the files...and then Trump won and suddenly we heard very little about it.

Now, MAGA wants the files released, Trump is using the DOJ to try to stop it and there's an absurd rumor from some elements of the right that it was all a fraud perpetuated by the Obama administration...which begs the question that if that is true, why is Epstein's partner still in jail?

So, yeah...I'm still interested.
 
Cameron said:
Count me as one of those who has never cared about the Epstein files and still doesn't. If there was anything in there that could have been used for political purposes it would have come out a long, long time ago. At this point it is all stupid conspiracy/partisan nonsense.
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Then let it come out and have the chips fall where they may. Why the need for the cover-up?
 
NatMorton said:
That is solid reasoning. If there were prominent Republicans on the list, it's hard to believe that would have been kept quiet while the DOJ was being run by a Democratic administration. The reverse is also true under Trump.

The only possible hitch is that there are prominent members of both parties on that list and they've cut a deal, but the longer we go without leaking the list the less likely that it is. Someone in possession of a copy of that list with no strong allegiance to either party would be sitting on a gold mine. Hard to believe someone wouldn't cash in on that opportunity.
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americanwoman said:
It's too bad Biden also ignored the files and suicide video because now he is a convenient person for MAGA to blame.

www.newsweek.com

Jeffrey Epstein files likely "destroyed," Republican congressman says

Representative Tim Burchett said he thinks files related to Jeffrey Epstein were "destroyed" by the Biden administration.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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Or- get this, maybe Biden didn’t illegally involve himself in DOJ affairs the way Trump does.
 
Probably not in my top ten concerns; or top hundred for that matter.
 
We knew this was going to happen. Democrats aren't honest enough. Republicans sure aren't. It's "Eyes Wide Shut" out there. There's a word in English - billionaire. What that word means is somebody with a right to molest your little kid, with the right to do it on live TV if they want, and to either have you say THANKYOUTHANKYOUMYLORD or else to have you jailed for 50 to life for committing it yourself.

Pedophiles have a key role in positions of authority. They're people who can be firmly leashed. Somebody who has the video of the pedo doing his thing can be very, very sure that they will propose the right amendment, deliver the right verdict, spend their corporation's money on the right donation. That makes them more valuable than the rest of us. Which makes them richer than the rest of us. Which makes them BETTER than the rest of us. Objectively, measurably, indisputably better in all the ways America measures who is better.
 
Out all the pedos that hung out with Epstein.
 
I care at the local level because I want justice for the victims, I want the predators stopped, and I want a message sent to all that wealth and power are not a get out of jail free card to sexually abuse the young.

I also care at a national level because, like a few cases before it, this case has come to demonstrate that we no longer have a system of Rule of Law that applies equally to the politically connected. It's terrible for a Republic to come to that conclusion, and short-sighted politico's who think they can just let it all "blow over" aren't thinking wisely or historically.

It goes without saying that, if either party were not corrupt, they would have prosecuted their own, as well as anyone else involved. But because both of our party's are corrupt, bloated, venal monsters, instead we get destruction of public trust.
 
jaypatriot said:
It is amazing there is a sizable segment of the population that is anxiously awaiting news there is a salacious Trump connection to Epstein and his so-called list of visitors to his island. It's like horny (unimportant) men going to a local "titty" bar hoping to find some recognizable member of the community in order to get dirt on that person for future gossip.
Much ado about nothing.

One poster suggested not voting for a politician known to have visited Epstein's island and/or not buying the products of some capitalist who was identified as someone who was there. That's like noticing someone at a museum admiring paintings of nudes by Peter Paul Rubens and then declaring him a sex hound eligible for ridicule in the community.
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There's no way to know the Epstein files are "much ado about nothing", is there?

Remember, trump himself wanted an investigation. In fact, at one point, he demanded one.
 
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Pyrite said:
Post #33

There's no way to know the Epstein files are "much ado about nothing", is there?

Remember, trump himself wanted an investigation. In fact, at one point, he demanded one.
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What Trump Has Said About Jeffrey Epstein Over the Years

Donald Trump has made plenty of comments about Jeffrey Epstein over the years, from lauding him to pushing conspiracy theories about his death.
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...Here’s a brief history of the president’s comments about Epstein:...

Trump pushes conspiracy theories about Bill Clinton and Epstein

During his first run for office in 2015, Trump was asked to give his opinion about former President Bill Clinton. “Nice guy,” he responded. “Got a lot of problems coming up in my opinion with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein. A lot of problems.”

In August 2019, immediately after Epstein’s death, Trump reposted a tweet suggesting Clinton killed Epstein. “#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this! RT if you’re not Surprised,” wrote conservative comedian Terrence K. Williams in the post Trump shared....
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A reporter asked if it was “appropriate” to be spreading a conspiracy theory.

“Basically what we’re saying is we want an investigation,” Trump said. “I want a full investigation, and that’s what I absolutely am demanding.”...
 
Other: Serious criminality likely took place and offenders have not been identified and brought to justice. My inner law enforcer is offended.

One woman sits in prison and that is proof this criminality occured. That she is the only party involved is highly unlikely.
 
I never did care.

Suddenly it is unavoidable and I am sitting back with my popcorn as I watch mass cognitive dissonance unwind over the realization that they were being played.

Watching the resonation of the cognitive dissonance feedback in real time is intriguing

Leopards are entertaining sometimes
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Honestly I've never cared about the Epstein files, and never really cared about Epstein either.

I have no idea what the guy was involved in. If it was "minors" in the 17 year old variety, that is the age of consent in many states and in some its younger than that.

If it was younger children, then that is just sick shit. I'll never know though.

I don't know what to believe about Epstein, and quite frankly there are larger concerns in my world.
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At least one of the victims was 13.

But here's another thing: After this circus, could we trust the list if it were revealed? If they were willing to bury it, they're willing to cough up an "edited" list.
 
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