Do you actually care about the Epstein files?

[hecatmoggie]

yes i care - burn them all to the ground whoever they are

 

[jaypatriot]

If there was strong evidence that Trump was ever at that island, that would be enough for me.

SO anyone visiting that island was guilty of sexually abusing young girls regardless if there was evidence such abuse took place?
That's a pretty harsh indictment without the benefit of a trial.

Being on his child abuse island is evidence.

So anyone who stepped on this wicked island is guilty of child abuse?
If someone denies doing anything abusive on that island, you would be like the Red Queen in 'Alice in Wonderland' and execute them anyway - regardless if they deny any wrongdoing? Sounds like the Spanish Inquisition to me.

• Queen of Hearts: Who's been painting my roses red? WHO'S BEEN PAINTING MY ROSES RED? /Who dares to taint / With vulgar paint / The royal flower bed? / For painting my roses red / Someone will lose his head.
• Card Painter: Oh no, Your Majesty, please! It's all *his* fault!
• Card Painter: Not me, your grace! The ace, the ace!
• Queen of Hearts: You?
• Card Painter: No, two!
• Queen of Hearts: The deuce, you say?
• Card Painter: Not me! The three!
• Queen of Hearts: That's enough! Off with their heads!

 

[Mycroft]

Some of you far-righters sure do.

I'm not a "you far-righter" and I'm not Trump. I speak for myself.

 

[jaypatriot]

I'm wondering about Trump's and Epstein's shared secret.

True conspiracy enthusiasts would agree with you.
Rational and reasonable humans would want to wait for credible evidence before indicting anyone suspected of trafficking or sexual abuse of young women.

Where is the credible evidence against anyone who took a trip to Epstein's island?

 

[j brown's body]

True conspiracy enthusiasts would agree with you.
Rational and reasonable humans would want to wait for credible evidence before indicting anyone suspected of trafficking or sexual abuse of young women.

Where is the credible evidence against anyone who took a trip to Epstein's island?

I'm quoting Trump.

 

[Dans La Lune]

True conspiracy enthusiasts would agree with you.

A conspiracy is simply a covert, coordinated act with the intention of achieving a goal. Legit conspiracies happen all the time. The Republican party has conspired since the 1970s to give corporate interests more power over government. That's a conspiracy, and it's true.

It's whether the theories surrounding the conspiracies are based on facts that determines whether or not they are credible.

Right-wingers have 'Conspiracy Brain Rot', where they see nonsensical conspiracies everywhere, and ignore all the facts which counter those conspiracies. That's different than what we're talking about here.

 

[Cameron]

Boy, I sure have egg on my face with this thread. This thing has some legs.

 

[Cassandra]

Yeh, I care. Because why is Trump suddenly so afraid to release information as promised?. I have no reason to think that Trump entertained himself with underage women, but clearly there is something very suspicious about the whole thing. He was Epstein's buddy. Maybe he is protecting some friends and business partners.

Has anyone figured out how Epstein accumulated so much wealth? How /why is it that Leon Black paid Epstein as much as 170 million over 5 years for "estate Planning' services. Really?! !! . Was Epstein bribing people in exchange for his silence? Or being paid for services above and beyond 'estate planning'? The known information begs many questions..

 

[Dans La Lune]

The reason the Epstein stuff matters is because it's the #1 selling point for fascism OUTSIDE of those in the fascism circle. There are legit fascists, who believe in the fascist mission (maybe 50% of MAGA) and then there are people who support fascism because it's been sold as a way to protect women and children.

Well, that's no longer a viable commercial. The calls are coming from within the house. It was always obvious that Trump was a perverted immoral sex pest, but certainly that illusion that he isn't complicit in the darkest variant of this behavior has been utterly shattered. And without the coalition of 'concerned conservatives', these people should not be able to attain any kind of power for a generation once this is fully blown up. Back to the sewers where you belong, freaks.

As I always said, fascism is a flame that burns brightly, but briefly. It causes damage that can last a century, but it cannot survive long as a political movement. I believe we are seeing the end of this variant of fascism, and frankly we may have gotten off easy.

 

[Cameron]

As I always said, fascism is a flame that burns brightly, but briefly. It causes damage that can last a century, but it cannot survive long as a political movement. I believe we are seeing the end of this variant of fascism, and frankly we may have gotten off easy.

Unfortunately, I don't know that is true. Human beings are extremely tribal and for virtually all of our history we have lived under unelected, violent and corrupt leaders who did not tolerate opposition or recognize the concept of individual rights. Democracy is a tiny and fragile blip in human history that needs to be painstakingly preserved.

 

[ASHES]

I voted other. This post encapsulates my opinion.

The victims deserve justice no matter what these findings reveal. We need to quit the theatrics and settle this once and for all.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Unfortunately, I don't know that is true. Human beings are extremely tribal and for virtually all of our history we have lived under unelected, violent and corrupt leaders who did not tolerate opposition or recognize the concept of individual rights. Democracy is a tiny and fragile blip in human history that needs to be painstakingly preserved.

The reason fascism is rare as a mainstream movement is because it requires buy-in from conservatives, who are not normally fascist. Either for social, economic, or reactionary reasons (e.g. to protect children from the 'evil left'). There simply aren't actual fascist to sustain the momentum. This is also why, once fascism gets going, it has to scapegoat more groups of people (communists, socialists, LGBTQ, Jews). They are the fuel that sustains the momentum. While the spell on the population can be intense, it can also be fragile -- especially in an age of free-flowing information.

Protecting children is a foundational selling point of fascism. The illusion that the right are interested in protecting children has been obliterated. There is no longer plausible deniability. Now the rats are fleeing the sinking ship. Some will go down with the ship. The important thing is that the ship is sinking. It's becoming increasingly unsustainable to support Trump.

Now it's up to Democrats. Will they try to rehabilitate the Republican party for the 100th time to avoid progressivism? I think they will. That's why they (the Democratic leadership) must also be defeated.

 

[Careyap87]

I never cared at all.

 

[bongsaway]

I want to find the truth about the Epstein incident no matter the facts. It's impossible that Maxwell is in prison but nobody else. If she is guilty, how can Epstein be innocent?

 

[Rogue Valley]

I want to find the truth about the Epstein incident no matter the facts. It's impossible that Maxwell is in prison but nobody else. If she is guilty, how can Epstein be innocent?

Epstein died in prison. How... remains a matter of conjecture.

 

[ASHES]

Epstein died in prison. How... remains a matter of conjecture.

I was never one for conspiracy, but this isn't like claiming fire can't melt steel beams. It's possible. Hits in prison/jail aren't unknown. It didn't mean it was Clinton or Biden or Trump. It could have been some CEO of a random company that knew he was lowest on the totem pole for getting given up without disturbing the social elite network like exposing Clinton or Trump or other big names would.

I am not claiming that is what happened. I simply speculate, and it doesn't seem as impossible as the Moon hoax, or as disproven as the JFK one was. Instead of discounting the possibility, the more evidence is released, the more it seems to say "Eh, maybe."

Stranger things have happened.