Do you accept the Barr Report at face value?

[SheWolf]

Barr didn't "override" anybody, he reported on what Mueller said.

Barr argued that Trump should be cleared of obstruction, which is overriding Mueller's suggestion for the DOJ to look into that. Mueller did not clear Trump of obstruction. Barr attempted cleared him of it in his report without further investigation or follow up.

 

[SheWolf]

Did congress get to decide if Ken Starr's report was on the up and up?
Just more whining from butt hurt leftists and Trump haters.

They were going to impeach Clinton no matter what.

 

[SheWolf]

I believe that Mueller is indeed legally prohibited from speaking publicly about the investigation. I'm not sure if that same constraint applies to him answering questions in front of Congress.

Mueller did a better job than Comey. Comey spoke publicly about Clinton and judged her constantly, but he stayed mum on Trump's investigations. I do believe Comey's conduct swayed the election.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Barr and Rosenstein have seen it and given a summary. If you want to pretend to be educated, you can start by reading it. Ive quoted the key part in my sig, to keep you libs from pretending not to know the truth.

Maybe a 4 page is about as much as you can handle. Likely more. I want to see Mueller's report. Not some political hack's summary that didn't contain even one complete sentence from Mueller's report. If you're boy is as innocent as you believe him to be then you shouldn't have any issue with the report being released to Congress and the public. What are you worried about?

 

[Atomic Kid]

Christ have you ever seen a report on this type of investigation that was fully released to the public. NO. In Mueller's report, there will be huge sections of classified info. Plus all the stuff that could be related to an existing investigation. Barr will follow the law in what he can and cannot release. And you can count on what he release will be heavily redacted. So you can cry and scream all you want but your not going to get the full report and the underline documents without Mueller's report being fully scrubbed.

You can scream "where's the report" until the cows come home, but it's not going to happen.

Oh so NOW you're concerned about releasing classified information to the public. But you had no such concerns when Nunes and the GOP were doing so.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Formation of the Mueller report? No I didn't just wake up..I have been paying attention unlike some.

No one had anything to do with the Mueller report except Mueller and his team. The fact is Mueller used the DOJ to issue subpoenas and warrants to aid in Mueller's investigation. The DOJ did have a oversight in the Mueller investigation since Rosenstein and Barr was Mueller boss and had access to any findings Mueller and his team was working on over the pass two years. The fact is Rosenstein has been around since day one and he and Barr wrote the summary. So stop spinning.

The investigation was all but finished before Barr was even confirmed. He only got there just in time to his boss's bidding.

 

[Fletch]

Maybe a 4 page is about as much as you can handle. Likely more. I want to see Mueller's report. Not some political hack's summary that didn't contain even one complete sentence from Mueller's report. If you're boy is as innocent as you believe him to be then you shouldn't have any issue with the report being released to Congress and the public. What are you worried about?

Man but you make dumb arguments. :roll: We are going to see the report and no one is opposed to its release. And the idea that you think Barr and Rosenstein would purposefully misrepresent the Mueller report is just hackish idiocy. As someone who fell for the liberal collusion lie for the last 2+ years, you arent exactly qualified to criticize the intelligence of anyone else.

 

[ralphcdp]

Man but you make dumb arguments. :roll: We are going to see the report and no one is opposed to its release. And the idea that you think Barr and Rosenstein would purposefully misrepresent the Mueller report is just hackish idiocy. As someone who fell for the liberal collusion lie for the last 2+ years, you arent exactly qualified to criticize the intelligence of anyone else.

It is famous for its precedence in establishing the principle that the mere appearance of bias is sufficient to overturn a judicial decision. It also brought into common parlance the oft-quoted aphorism "Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done."
R v Sussex Justices, ex parte McCarthy - Wikipedia

When one considers just how prevalent lying is in the USA, ESPECIALLY within and among the Trumpsters, the above is an important reminder.

 

[Bullseye]

Barr argued that Trump should be cleared of obstruction, which is overriding Mueller's suggestion for the DOJ to look into that. Mueller did not clear Trump of obstruction. Barr attempted cleared him of it in his report without further investigation or follow up.

No, he actually said the evidence was in sufficient for prosecuting. He also said Mueller had spoken to DOJ experts in the course of his investigation.

 

[trixare4kids]

They were going to impeach Clinton no matter what.

So what? What is your point?

Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice by the house but he was acquitted by the senate.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Man but you make dumb arguments. :roll: We are going to see the report and no one is opposed to its release. And the idea that you think Barr and Rosenstein would purposefully misrepresent the Mueller report is just hackish idiocy. As someone who fell for the liberal collusion lie for the last 2+ years, you arent exactly qualified to criticize the intelligence of anyone else.

Man you can't even elevate an argument of yours up to being just dumb. McConnell and the GOP controlled Senate rejected a resolution to make the report public whereas the the House voted unanimously for it's release. I'm not going to settle for a summary made by two political appointees of the person being investigated and neither are the American people. You can bet on that.

 

[Bullseye]

Man you can't even elevate an argument of yours up to being just dumb. McConnell and the GOP controlled Senate rejected a resolution to make the report public whereas the the House voted unanimously for it's release. I'm not going to settle for a summary made by two political appointees of the person being investigated and neither are the American people. You can bet on that.

Which means the Senate understands the laws related to grand jury investigations whereas the Dems are still desperately grasping at straws, if not turds, as their hopes of "getting" Trump circle the bowl.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Which means the Senate understands the laws related to grand jury investigations whereas the Dems are still desperately grasping at straws, if not turds, as their hopes of "getting" Trump circle the bowl.

LOL! What do you know. Another reading challenged conservative. Did you somehow miss the word "unanimous" in my description of the House resolution vote? Do you think that the House is somehow solely comprised of democrats?

 

[Fletch]

Man you can't even elevate an argument of yours up to being just dumb. McConnell and the GOP controlled Senate rejected a resolution to make the report public whereas the the House voted unanimously for it's release. I'm not going to settle for a summary made by two political appointees of the person being investigated and neither are the American people. You can bet on that.

You are going to see it. And you will not believe it because the people who have been lying to you for the last two years will tell you not to and you will unthinkingly obey. And just to be clear, the dumb people here are those who fell for the collusion lie hook line and sinker. That wold be all you people on the left if you need me to spell it out for you.

 

[Cardinal]

Barr is head of the DOJ, and he decided to clear Trump of obstruction in the letter himself. Congress has a right to look into also, but it's obvious that Barr wants to shut the process down entirely.

It's likely that Barr's action was intended to set the narrative before Mueller's own report could determine it. This was the same tactic executed by Nunes over a year ago, though that attempt failed. Will it work here? We'll see.

 

[Bullseye]

LOL! What do you know. Another reading challenged conservative. Did you somehow miss the word "unanimous" in my description of the House resolution vote? Do you think that the House is somehow solely comprised of democrats?

I saw it; means poop. Any questions?

 

[jet57]

The Barr Report, of course, being distinctly Barr's own four page summary of Mueller's report.

Do you accept the Barr Report at face value?

1. Yes, I have no reason to doubt it.
2. No, I'll wait on the Mueller Report, whenever that happens.
3. I don't know.

Nope. Barr is a hired gun and he's sanitizing to make Trump look good. The report is going to be dissected as though it were from another planet, so the real story will come out.

 

[Parrish]

It's likely that Barr's action was intended to set the narrative before Mueller's own report could determine it. This was the same tactic executed by Nunes over a year ago, though that attempt failed. Will it work here? We'll see.

And it went entirely along with Barr's unsolicited 19 page job/application in June. Why is anyone surprised by the "letter?"

 

[Cardinal]

You are going to see it. And you will not believe it because the people who have been lying to you for the last two years will tell you not to and you will unthinkingly obey. And just to be clear, the dumb people here are those who fell for the collusion lie hook line and sinker. That wold be all you people on the left if you need me to spell it out for you.

And when we see it, that will indeed be that. But we didn't wait two years for the investigation to conclude just so that some jerkoff that Trump handpicked to protect him would read it for us.

 

[SheWolf]

So what? What is your point?

Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice by the house but he was acquitted by the senate.

My point is that Clinton was treated less fairly from the onset, and didn't have a chance. Trump has a lot of protection that Clinton never had, and Nancy has constantly said she is not going straight for impeachment.

 

[SheWolf]

It's likely that Barr's action was intended to set the narrative before Mueller's own report could determine it. This was the same tactic executed by Nunes over a year ago, though that attempt failed. Will it work here? We'll see.

I also believed that that was what Barr was doing, and I also suspected that the media would jump the gun in classic fashion. I have been hearing that more of the Mueller report could be released to the public in the next few weeks.

Trump has also been mischaracterizing Barr's letter, which is also not surprising. He then ramped up his media attacks calling them, "the enemy of the people" and saying, "no future president should ever have to go through this." So just when you think something is going good for Trump, he screws up and you are reminded how crazy and dangerous he is.

 

[Atomic Kid]

I saw it; means poop. Any questions?

Yeah. Just one. Do you really think that the House is somehow made up entirely of democrats? The vote was 420 to 0. You don't think that there might have been more than just a few republicans mixed in there?

 

[NWRatCon]

And it went entirely along with Barr's unsolicited 19 page job/application in June. Why is anyone surprised by the "letter?"

I saw somewhere (trying to find it again) quotations from the June memo, and this one. Very compelling.Barr authored memo last year ruling out obstruction of justice (CNN). For anyone who wants to compare on their own.

Here's another take: Barr is wrong: Obstruction of justice doesn’t require another underlying crime (WaPo - opinion)

 

[Slyfox696]

I never said it shouldn't be released

I didn't mean to insinuate you did, only that there is no reason for Trump to keep it hidden if it exonerates him.

and Barr said it's going to be, save that which can't be by law, regulation, or DoJ policy, which he then went on to describe.

Which is silly because, as President, he can release the whole thing, as I said. The President is not bound by DOJ policy or regulation and the only law in play would be classification, which Trump has already violated in the Russia investigation when he thought it helped him (as I linked to earlier).

Trump could release the whole thing today. But he won't.

Also I have read (though I cannot find a credible source reporting it, so take it as you will) that a Justice Department spokesperson said it would not be the Mueller report, but a more in-depth summary prepared by Barr. Again, feel free to discredit it since I cannot yet find a credible source reporting that, but if/when I do, I'll let you know.

You asked why it was taking so long (as though two business days is long). I gave you the answer.

When you have unilateral power to release it and have already shown you are not concerned about classification if you think it helps you, then yes, 5 days is a long time.

If you think there's going to be a "legal battle," then you need to provide your evidence that there will be.

Congressional Democrats are already preparing subpoenas and the administration has refused to release the full unredacted report (even to Congress) and has said the White House will have the ability to look at it first to assert executive privilege where desired.

I'd say that's plenty of evidence.

Especially when it's your contention that the President is affirmatively doing everything he can to stop it from being released.

He has the power to order it released and he hasn't.

What is the President doing, and how do you know?

I know what he's not doing and that's not ordering the release of the document.

 

[Harshaw]

I didn't mean to insinuate you did, only that there is no reason for Trump to keep it hidden if it exonerates him.
Which is silly because, as President, he can release the whole thing, as I said. The President is not bound by DOJ policy or regulation and the only law in play would be classification, which Trump has already violated in the Russia investigation when he thought it helped him (as I linked to earlier).

Trump could release the whole thing today. But he won't.

Also I have read (though I cannot find a credible source reporting it, so take it as you will) that a Justice Department spokesperson said it would not be the Mueller report, but a more in-depth summary prepared by Barr. Again, feel free to discredit it since I cannot yet find a credible source reporting that, but if/when I do, I'll let you know.

When you have unilateral power to release it and have already shown you are not concerned about classification if you think it helps you, then yes, 5 days is a long time.

Congressional Democrats are already preparing subpoenas and the administration has refused to release the full unredacted report (even to Congress) and has said the White House will have the ability to look at it first to assert executive privilege where desired.

I'd say that's plenty of evidence.

He has the power to order it released and he hasn't.

I know what he's not doing and that's not ordering the release of the document.

So, you want the President to break the law, the law Barr cited in his letter, or at the very least go through irregular and problematic channels, to release the document in full without the legally-mandated protections of innocents . . . and if he doesn't do that, according to you, it's because he's purposely keeping the report from the public.

In other words, he breaks laws and norms, that's a problem; he doesn't break laws and norms, and it's STILL a problem.

Quite a pretzel you've got there.