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Do the West have a historical debt to Jews?

Wan

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Hello. A few days ago, someone said that the West have a historical debt to the Jews. I assume he was talking about all the bad things White people have ever done to Jews, things like pogroms from the past, and the Holocaust, to name a few.

Personally, I think he is going overboard. It's certainly bad that the West have done some nasty things to Jews, but I feel that as long as they make sure to never repeat history, it should be good enough. To feel that they are now "indebted" to Jews just does not make sense to me.

Your thoughts?
 

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It's the other way around. It is the West that freed the Jews from gas chambers, prisons, etc.
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It's the other way around. It is the West that freed the Jews from gas chambers, prisons, etc.
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And put them into them

Germany is/would have been considered part of the west
 
It's the other way around. It is the West that freed the Jews from gas chambers, prisons, etc.
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That'd earn a "lol" if the subject wasn't so grave. We didn't enter the war to stop the holocaust. We only entered it because Japan bombed us and even then it took a few years until we were actually ready to start fighting. In fact, we used "but they might be spies" to turn away thousands of those who managed to get here on their own: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...ugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

How many Jewish people remained alive in Germany when we finally knocked them down? How many of them weren't on death's door in a camp?



I know what the OP is up to so I'm not going to play the "debt" game.... but I do have to note that leaving your summary at "It is the West that freed the Jews from gas chambers, prisons, etc." leaves out most of the relevant information.
 

The only Jews who are owed anything are the individual Jews who were wronged. The only ones who owe a debt to the Jews are the individuals who wrong those individual Jews. Most of those who were wronged are no longer around and most of those who did the wrong doing are no longer around.The idea that anyone owes a historical debt is absurd.
 
It's the other way around. It is the West that freed the Jews from gas chambers, prisons, etc.
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The west put them in there, the west took them out.
 
I don't owe anybody ****, no one's false god is an omniscient real estate broker, there is no such thing as holy land, GTFOutta here with that bull****.

Yeezy is ****ing up!
 

That statement has insufficient context, and is ambiguous. It could, for example, mean that the Jewish faith provided the basis for Christianity via the use of the Jewish scriptures, that got adopted by Christians. Or, it could be the debt caused by a couple of thousand years of oppression. Your context is inconclusive.
 

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Smells like a bait thread to me.
 

The older you get and the more deeply you research history, you'll find that no single race, religion, nationality or ethnic group holds exclusivity in either persecution or victimhood.
Yes, horrible things have been done to Jews throughout Western history but at the same time, an Israeli source notes that some of history's most sadistic monsters have happened to be Jewish.



"Stalin's Jews"
"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.
In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.
Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED
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Regrettably, the Reparations*Racket is prone to grotesque misuse with little of Germany's substantial payments making it to the deserving recipients for which the funds were intended:

*"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ?much higher? than $57 million - Diaspora - Jerusalem Post
EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”
”CONTINUED


Perhaps because of the prodigious & unparalleled success of the Holocaust Claims Conference etc, there have been calls for reparations for Blacks coming from leaders of the Black community & calls for reparations coming from the Palestinian community both of which, so far, have made little progress.

If any reparations are deserved for specific & current deprivations and abuses, I feel that compensation to Palestine's native Arab residents is both justified & would be productive toward lessening tensions in that specific, long troubled region.
 

Racial guilt is not a thing.
 
Considering that the Jewish people far outdistance all others on the list of great scientists, yeah. Would it hurt to admit that, and thank them?
 

The USA has repeated this "history" many times, both before and after WWII. Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Hawaii, Laos, China, Japan, Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, ... .
 

We don’t own a historical debt to anyone who is not “first person” and alive.
 
The USA has repeated this "history" many times, both before and after WWII. Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Hawaii, Laos, China, Japan, Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, ... .

Maybe so, but it would be just the US armed forces and their leader/s. I would hesitate to say that ALL Americans were responsible for the evil things their government did.
 
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Maybe so, but it would be just the US armed forces and their leader/s. I would hesitate to say that ALL Americans were responsible for the evil things their government did.

Dishonest Abe said, "government of the people, by the people, for the people". USians have turned out to be sheeple or cheerleaders for their long standing war criminal/terrorist governments. [some honest, decent people who speak out against the vicious crimes]
 
The USA has repeated this "history" many times, both before and after WWII. Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Hawaii, Laos, China, Japan, Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, ... .

The United States is the guardian of liberty and justice. The entire globe would be an absolute ****hole without us.
 
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